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GAME 2 SAINT PETER'S: Learning to Fly

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Well definitely not one of those games where one can undo their top pants button and lay back in their RAC seats but these type of games happen to everyone early in the season. When you are in them, its already too late and its not about style points, it becomes gut it out, survive and win. And that Rutgers did, doing just enough down the stretch to pull away from a feisty St Peter's team. And honestly without Ace Bailey in the lineup, its hard to judge anything from the first two games especially this one because this is not the Rutgers team you will see this season. When Ace returns everything changes. The rotation, the chemistry, the whole wheel churns differently as will how Rutgers opponents try to figure out how to stop Ace and Dylan on the court together. So while as the game went on I was nervous about the performance. In the end, Rutgers won and that is that and they did it without Ace and they did it despite being young and really right now having a glaring leadership void.

Without Ace, its hard to get on this team too much for a slower start playing even with St Peters for the opening 10 minutes of the game. Not as excusable was just being a step behind St Peter's ball movement and allowing the Peacocks to get hot from the perimeter and once they did they really got in a nice rhythm and RU became a bit frustrated forcing some shots. I just did not feel our guys were that invested in playing the kind of defense needed to bother St Peters. Their style is predicated on once they get rolling with the shots, they can be tough to beat. That little blink was enough to keep St Peters up 5 at half but it was obvious Pike needed to conjure up some wizardry at halftime and in usually Pike fashion he did.

I think Dylan had 11 in the first half? not sure on that one but I said in the game thread. Who knew we had a secret weapon. So while you do not want to rely on one guy for your offense, I felt at key times Dylan was not getting the touches he needed in the first half, mainly in the early minutes but I also think he took a couple of ill advised shots. In the 2nd half, Dylan was unleashed in those first few minutes scoring 7 of RU's first 9 points of the half. Equally important it came at a time where RU amped up their defense. RU came out much more aggressive scoring an immediate turnover with hands in the lane getting a J Will steal and then forcing another turnover as St Peter's missed their first 3 shots of the half and all of a sudden RU had retaken the lead and awoke a sort of restless RAC crowd. And give Coach Pikiell alot of credit. St Peter's was very physical and susceptible to following. RU did not take enough advantage of it in the first half but in the matter of a minute in the 2nd, RU drew 2 fouls on Zeigler admist 4 SPU fouls in that timeframe. RU would forge ahead by 7 and it seemed like the tide had turned. Inexplicably though while St Peters seemed ready for the taking, Pike subbed out Dylan and brought in a lineup I think of Hayes, Martini, Summerville, Davis and Acuff. With this lineup for the next 3 and half minutes, both teams struggled scoring just 2 each but I believe St Peters was able to gather themselves during this period and blunt the RU momentum. By the time Harper came back in, St Peters was regaining their confidence and went on a 15-5 run and all of a sudden, RU was down again by 1 and everyones stomachs were grumbling in the stands. We have seen this before with Pike. I do get it, guys needs some rest but up 7 and St Peters struggling is no time to take the foot off the gas. The 2nd team IS NOT as good as the first team and it wasnt last year despite what Pike said.

RU reallly struggled offensively during that stretch. Perhaps the ugliest stretch I have seen this year. There were some big bricks from 3 from Martini and I believe an air ball 3 from Dylan, plus J Will bungling a layup. But in the last 4 minutes with RU down 65-64, the young guns learned how to close out and win even it was ugly outscoring the Peacocks 11-0 down the stretch. Certainly not pretty, there were more than few frustrating posessions still down the stretch with missed opportunities and ill advised shot selection but as I said style points do not get you anywhere when you are a ranked team losing at home to a MAAC school. Just win baby and that they did and give credit to the defense with aid from the RAC crowd. Getting stops and hitting your free throws. Martini and Dylan did a fine job at the line.


Individually, Harper another 24 point game, 8-17 shooting but a vastly improved 7-8 at the line with 6 boards. and its amazing we are taking him for granted after game 2. He will hit some amazing shots for RU this year and cannot wait to see him with Ace in the lineup because its going to ease that pressure on him to carry the team. Lathan Summerville...what can you say 5-8fg, 14 points in 24 minutes. He is surpassing everyones expectations of him at this point and he looks so so comfortable out there and that is the key takeaway as competition will get tougher. I thought Zach Martini was quietly impressive and liked he was in at the end few minutes. Some great D and bringing the intangibles of being a guy who has been in close games before.....24 minutes, 7 points, 4 boards. Derkack is that ultimate glue guy..so crappy...25 minutes, 9 points, 6 boards. J Will surprisingly was the biggest plus on RU for the night, 4 assists, 2 steals but 2-8 fg for only 4 points and he missed some shots late that he has to be counted on to make. I think he needs to up his game with Ace coming back. J Mike was solid with a key basket late and hit 1-2 free throws. Did take a couple shots early in the midrange and made so it appears he is fighting for his minutes and he has a quickness that gives him a small edge over Derkack IMO. Hayes had a team leading 7 boards with 5 points in 20 minutes. If he can bring this every night which I think he can I will take it. Acuff, just not seeing it with him and he seems a step or two behind the others for playing time right now. Not sure how he is going to fit in. Ogobole...not the answer but all we can ask if for him to continue to give a few minutes at the start of each half at least for now until Pike is ready to let Lathan fly in the starting role

Again this is really a whole new team from last year. There is no leader yet that is going to gather this team in game 2. Guys just have to step up and learn. Tonight was a test that they passed and can take more out of it than sailing by with a 75-55 win. Learning to fly but they aint got wings. Sticking the landing anyhow. Does it even matter. Ace is coming soon and we go big ole jet airliner.
 
Martini might be your leader
You are right

yeah I like that Pike had him out there late.

Leadership is something no one really has discussed when approaching the year. Harper and Ace are phenoms. I do not expect them to be leaders. Our returning guys...JWill not sure we are going to get it from him nor J Mike
 
I’ve had to remind myself a couple times that we are playing without either our best or second best player through these first two games. Even off of the inbound St. Peter’s was putting two guys on Dylan just to make him work to have to catch the pass. Teams won’t be able to get away with putting all of their attention on Dylan once number 4 is out there with him. And even despite all the extra attention, Dylan still dropped 20 in each game.
 
one thing I will add....

this has to change

RU 3-16 3fg

vs Wagner 5-16 fg for a 8-32 total of 25%

St Peters 10-27 fg...and I think they were 9-20 fg at one point


this is at home and not on the road....some things change but its looking like our 3 pt fg shooting awfulness remains the same.
 
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one thing I will add....

this has to change

RU 3-16 3fg

vs Wagner 5-16 fg for a 8-32 total of 25%

St Peters 10-27 fg...and I think they were 9-20 fg at one point


this is at home and not on the road....some things change but its looking like our 3 pt fg shooting awfulness remains the same.
We were 7-23 against Wagner, so a combined 10-39 — 25.6%.

Woeful on a team with Martini and Hayes. They’re not getting enough shots.
 
one thing I will add....

this has to change

RU 3-16 3fg

vs Wagner 5-16 fg for a 8-32 total of 25%

St Peters 10-27 fg...and I think they were 9-20 fg at one point


this is at home and not on the road....some things change but its looking like our 3 pt fg shooting awfulness remains the same.
Need the right players taking the 3's... Hayes, Martini, and Ace

I want Dylan attacking, not settling for 3's
 
Well definitely not one of those games where one can undo their top pants button and lay back in their RAC seats but these type of games happen to everyone early in the season. When you are in them, its already too late and its not about style points, it becomes gut it out, survive and win. And that Rutgers did, doing just enough down the stretch to pull away from a feisty St Peter's team. And honestly without Ace Bailey in the lineup, its hard to judge anything from the first two games especially this one because this is not the Rutgers team you will see this season. When Ace returns everything changes. The rotation, the chemistry, the whole wheel churns differently as will how Rutgers opponents try to figure out how to stop Ace and Dylan on the court together. So while as the game went on I was nervous about the performance. In the end, Rutgers won and that is that and they did it without Ace and they did it despite being young and really right now having a glaring leadership void.

Without Ace, its hard to get on this team too much for a slower start playing even with St Peters for the opening 10 minutes of the game. Not as excusable was just being a step behind St Peter's ball movement and allowing the Peacocks to get hot from the perimeter and once they did they really got in a nice rhythm and RU became a bit frustrated forcing some shots. I just did not feel our guys were that invested in playing the kind of defense needed to bother St Peters. Their style is predicated on once they get rolling with the shots, they can be tough to beat. That little blink was enough to keep St Peters up 5 at half but it was obvious Pike needed to conjure up some wizardry at halftime and in usually Pike fashion he did.

I think Dylan had 11 in the first half? not sure on that one but I said in the game thread. Who knew we had a secret weapon. So while you do not want to rely on one guy for your offense, I felt at key times Dylan was not getting the touches he needed in the first half, mainly in the early minutes but I also think he took a couple of ill advised shots. In the 2nd half, Dylan was unleashed in those first few minutes scoring 7 of RU's first 9 points of the half. Equally important it came at a time where RU amped up their defense. RU came out much more aggressive scoring an immediate turnover with hands in the lane getting a J Will steal and then forcing another turnover as St Peter's missed their first 3 shots of the half and all of a sudden RU had retaken the lead and awoke a sort of restless RAC crowd. And give Coach Pikiell alot of credit. St Peter's was very physical and susceptible to following. RU did not take enough advantage of it in the first half but in the matter of a minute in the 2nd, RU drew 2 fouls on Zeigler admist 4 SPU fouls in that timeframe. RU would forge ahead by 7 and it seemed like the tide had turned. Inexplicably though while St Peters seemed ready for the taking, Pike subbed out Dylan and brought in a lineup I think of Hayes, Martini, Summerville, Davis and Acuff. With this lineup for the next 3 and half minutes, both teams struggled scoring just 2 each but I believe St Peters was able to gather themselves during this period and blunt the RU momentum. By the time Harper came back in, St Peters was regaining their confidence and went on a 15-5 run and all of a sudden, RU was down again by 1 and everyones stomachs were grumbling in the stands. We have seen this before with Pike. I do get it, guys needs some rest but up 7 and St Peters struggling is no time to take the foot off the gas. The 2nd team IS NOT as good as the first team and it wasnt last year despite what Pike said.

RU reallly struggled offensively during that stretch. Perhaps the ugliest stretch I have seen this year. There were some big bricks from 3 from Martini and I believe an air ball 3 from Dylan, plus J Will bungling a layup. But in the last 4 minutes with RU down 65-64, the young guns learned how to close out and win even it was ugly outscoring the Peacocks 11-0 down the stretch. Certainly not pretty, there were more than few frustrating posessions still down the stretch with missed opportunities and ill advised shot selection but as I said style points do not get you anywhere when you are a ranked team losing at home to a MAAC school. Just win baby and that they did and give credit to the defense with aid from the RAC crowd. Getting stops and hitting your free throws. Martini and Dylan did a fine job at the line.


Individually, Harper another 24 point game, 8-17 shooting but a vastly improved 7-8 at the line with 6 boards. and its amazing we are taking him for granted after game 2. He will hit some amazing shots for RU this year and cannot wait to see him with Ace in the lineup because its going to ease that pressure on him to carry the team. Lathan Summerville...what can you say 5-8fg, 14 points in 24 minutes. He is surpassing everyones expectations of him at this point and he looks so so comfortable out there and that is the key takeaway as competition will get tougher. I thought Zach Martini was quietly impressive and liked he was in at the end few minutes. Some great D and bringing the intangibles of being a guy who has been in close games before.....24 minutes, 7 points, 4 boards. Derkack is that ultimate glue guy..so crappy...25 minutes, 9 points, 6 boards. J Will surprisingly was the biggest plus on RU for the night, 4 assists, 2 steals but 2-8 fg for only 4 points and he missed some shots late that he has to be counted on to make. I think he needs to up his game with Ace coming back. J Mike was solid with a key basket late and hit 1-2 free throws. Did take a couple shots early in the midrange and made so it appears he is fighting for his minutes and he has a quickness that gives him a small edge over Derkack IMO. Hayes had a team leading 7 boards with 5 points in 20 minutes. If he can bring this every night which I think he can I will take it. Acuff, just not seeing it with him and he seems a step or two behind the others for playing time right now. Not sure how he is going to fit in. Ogobole...not the answer but all we can ask if for him to continue to give a few minutes at the start of each half at least for now until Pike is ready to let Lathan fly in the starting role

Again this is really a whole new team from last year. There is no leader yet that is going to gather this team in game 2. Guys just have to step up and learn. Tonight was a test that they passed and can take more out of it than sailing by with a 75-55 win. Learning to fly but they aint got wings. Sticking the landing anyhow. Does it even matter. Ace is coming soon and we go big ole jet airliner.
Posted this mistakenly on the Round Table.
Rather than start another thread adding it here.


Two things I see to be true.

Dylan Harper is a superior player, poised, and ready beyond his years. Probably best freshman i have seen play at Rutgers since Phil, although Bailey and Hinson ended their freshmen years as major forces.

Dylan Harper is still a freshman and he will make mistakes.

We had taken control in the second half, up 9 when Dylan missed a 3 early in the possession. I said then we were in for a dog fight. Crazy as it seems I felt a momentum shift coming in the same day i did when we missed the dunk against Houston. Next possession, Dylan took it inside and missed, again quickly, and SPU was all up in our grill until the end.

Neither okay was terrible but that did not reflect a feel for time and score.

It didn't cost us today, because we were the better team and grabbed the grant at the end. With Dylan's help.

He will win many games for us this year. He neat just us an occasional one too.

And he will help us to have a very enjoyable season this year.

Just hold both of those conflicting notions at the same time and enjoy this wonderful ride.

Oh yeah, i can't wait to see Ace out there too
 
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Need the right players taking the 3's... Hayes, Martini, and Ace

I want Dylan attacking, not settling for 3's
Agreed about Dylan attacking. He is so good when he goes into the paint as he always seem to have a mismatch against guards defending him. Plus he draws fouls and gets us in the bonus quicker. Maybe 3 or 4 threes from Dylan as opposed to 5 or 6.
 
I thought it was very telling that they did not let Lathan or Ogbloe out there for crunch time when we needed defensive stands.

I also saw the JMike for Hayes switch after time outs multiple times. Offense for defense.

It's always interesting what you can tease out about the future rotation from these early season games.
 
After this close call vs St. Peter's, I have a feeling Ace's hip is suddenly feeling MUCH better. Fingers crossed he plays Friday. Not that he'll be needed vs Monmouth of course ... but just to start working with the team in real games.
 
Geo called it before the game started, explaining the mindset of a St Peters coming into the RAC. He said they all believe they should be playing for RU and want to prove themselves against the team from the BIG. During the game he also said how hard it is to win in D1 college basketball, everyone is good and the 3 pointer is the big equalizer. It just takes a team to get hot from the 3 and they were in the first half and anyone can beat anyone.
 
St.Peters is a smaller version of St.Johns with playground type players who aren't intimated in front of a hostile crowd.Rutgers has shown difficulty in defending teams that run similar offenses and have 3 point shooters.This game was a good test especially playing without Bailey.It took a team effort to win the game.I was disappointed that Hayes didn't get more playing time because there were minutes when Rutgers had only one 3 point scoring threat on the court.Acuff got far too many minutes but probably has the skillset to be a scoring threat later in the season.The best take away from the first two games is that Rutgers has the offense to score 75 points without Bailey.Harper and Bailey on the court at the same time will be difficult matchups for opponents.The performance from Somerville at the center position will help make Rutgers a top 25 team.
 
one thing I will add....

this has to change

RU 3-16 3fg

vs Wagner 5-16 fg for a 8-32 total of 25%

St Peters 10-27 fg...and I think they were 9-20 fg at one point


this is at home and not on the road....some things change but its looking like our 3 pt fg shooting awfulness remains the same.
I’m not ready to panic on this because

1.) we are missing Ace and he will be a high 30% theee point threat

2.) the quality of looks are there from what we are taking and will even out
 
I thought it was very telling that they did not let Lathan or Ogbloe out there for crunch time when we needed defensive stands.

I also saw the JMike for Hayes switch after time outs multiple times. Offense for defense.

It's always interesting what you can tease out about the future rotation from these early season games.
On the other hand …it says a LOT that coach went twice with lathan for 10 plus minutes without a rest …for a big man. He will grow into the defensive player as he plays
 
one thing I will add....

this has to change

RU 3-16 3fg

vs Wagner 5-16 fg for a 8-32 total of 25%

St Peters 10-27 fg...and I think they were 9-20 fg at one point


this is at home and not on the road....some things change but its looking like our 3 pt fg shooting awfulness remains the same.
shooting is shooting. It is mostly random. Focus on something else.

If we were 6-16 from 3 and the outcome was the same I have concerns.

This most likely will be a poor 3 point shooting team, especially how Pike will probably use their roster. Our base shooting is close to making 5 of those 16 attempts.

If you want to ask can you win in college basketball only taking 16 3 pointers that is a different argument.
 
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If you are going to have 1 issue to panic it is still defense from the 5 position. Worried about slow rotations, lack of a shot blocker and what @zappaa mentioned using the 5 to hedge screens hasn't worked well so far.

It is huge though that Somerville has lost weight. I am hoping for a steep learning curve that he might be on. I wish he would grow taller and longer
 
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Geo called it before the game started, explaining the mindset of a St Peters coming into the RAC. He said they all believe they should be playing for RU and want to prove themselves against the team from the BIG. During the game he also said how hard it is to win in D1 college basketball, everyone is good and the 3 pointer is the big equalizer. It just takes a team to get hot from the 3 and they were in the first half and anyone can beat anyone.
Damn, if he didn't nail this game before it started. But the same can be said of many of these early OOC games against the locals. These teams are extra motivated and there are often many family and friends attending and they want to put on a show for them. These games can be be traps and if you get in one of these struggles, just survive, be thankful for the W, and move on.
 
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Damn, if he didn't nail this game before it started. But the same can be said of many of these early OOC games against the locals. These teams are extra motivated and there are often many family and friends attending and they want to put on a show for them. These games can be be traps and if you get in one of these struggles, just survive, be thankful for the W, and move on.
Yes they played hard...yes Zeigler wanted to stop Harper. They get ton of credit. Imagine if they didn't have foul trouble and lose their PG to injury. we also played poorly defensively and gave them some lightly contested 3s. BUT.......

in these games often it is just the other side making more than their normal share of 3s and us making less than our normal share of 3s that makes these games games.

If we shot like them and they shot like us we win by 25 going away and Dortch and Grant play.
 
Also credit Pike getting Harper going........

Not sure if the dribble at Harper, back door cut was called for from the bench or just an optionality from the 2 players.

Few possessions later Pike did call a play on the white board that was designed for a Harper post up.

Early on Harper was not getting looks and he didnt seem to exude his normal confidence....also 1st 5-7 minutes he was bad defensively/hustle....that went away after he got his 1st bucket.
 
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Yes they played hard...yes Zeigler wanted to stop Harper. They get ton of credit. Imagine if they didn't have foul trouble and lose their PG to injury. we also played poorly defensively and gave them some lightly contested 3s. BUT.......

in these games often it is just the other side making more than their normal share of 3s and us making less than our normal share of 3s that makes these games games.

If we shot like them and they shot like us we win by 25 going away and Dortch and Grant play.
But we didn't and that's my point. Many teams in power conferences have to survive these games early on and sometimes, as we have seen ourselves, we are not fortunate enough to win them.
 
I dont like fool’s gold games. This definitely wasnt fool’s gold. We had to grind this one out and win despite the shooting differential. We should be better for it.

Heard Geo on post game mention Merrimack and playibg exclusive 2-3 zone. That is going to be very interesting.
 
I dont like fool’s gold games. This definitely wasnt fool’s gold. We had to grind this one out and win despite the shooting differential. We should be better for it.

Heard Geo on post game mention Merrimack and playibg exclusive 2-3 zone. That is going to be very interesting.
Interesting, but not in a good way for us fans.
 
The one possession where Dercack and JWill didn't take open/lightly contested 3s did concern/scare me. If the defense can collapse 2-3 players everytime Harper drives he won't be nearly as effective

@NickRU714
 
shooting is shooting. It is mostly random. Focus on something else.

If we were 6-16 from 3 and the outcome was the same I have concerns.

This most likely will be a poor 3 point shooting team, especially how Pike will probably use their roster. Our base shooting is close to making 5 of those 16 attempts.

If you want to ask can you win in college basketball only taking 16 3 pointers that is a different argument.

I dont think teams can
 
If you are going to have 1 issue to panic it is still defense from the 5 position. Worried about slow rotations, lack of a shot blocker and what @zappaa mentioned using the 5 to hedge screens hasn't worked well so far.

It is huge though that Somerville has lost weight. I am hoping for a steep learning curve that he might be on. I wish he would grow taller and longer
The weight loss is enormous, but i think Lathan is pretty long. He had a few blocks and he isn't a leader. Looked like long arms was the reason. Wonder what his wingspan is

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Partially...yes. To me what this team needs is Dercack and JWill to knock down some 3s so they can play and not be offensive liabilities
They are incomplete players. It would be great if one of JMike, JWill or Dercack emerged as a competent outside shooter. But a more likely path to success is Bailey plays that role and Martini and Hayes get more minutes.
 
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They are incomplete players. It would be great if one of JMike, JWill or Dercack emerged as a competent outside shooter. But a more likely path to success is Bailey plays that role and Martini and Hayes get more minutes.
I hear you.......Hayes has a good offensive half and grabs rebounds in 1st half, but what happens at halftime.....

RU gives up 42 points and Pike says that's enough. Hayes was the 9th (last) guy that played in the 2nd half and got only 5 1/2 minutes.........of course Rutgers plays better in the 2nd half because we hold St. Peters to 23 points.
 
I thought it was very telling that they did not let Lathan or Ogbloe out there for crunch time when we needed defensive stands.

I also saw the JMike for Hayes switch after time outs multiple times. Offense for defense.

It's always interesting what you can tease out about the future rotation from these early season games.
A lot of that depends who you are playing and what are the matchups.
 
Need the right players taking the 3's... Hayes, Martini, and Ace

I want Dylan attacking, not settling for 3's
In general I agree but when Dylan shows he can make a 3, especially early in the game, it gives him an extra half step advantage on his drives when defenders run out on him. He has to show opponents that they can’t just sag back on him.
 
I’m learning to fly but I ain’t got wings !

Coming down is the Hardest Thing !

One of my favorites from one of Gainesville’s best !

Albeit I despised the acoustic version in concerts !


For you animal lovers : Peacocks 🦚 can fly but for very short distances !
 
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