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will this group be committed to playing the type of defense that gets big stops in big spots?

As impressive and at times scintillating the offense would look in the first half, a very unimpressive 2nd half defensive effort where arguably Monmouth outplayed RU changed my whole thinking on this recap. Scoring 98 a new Pikiell high I think while you are already taken for granted how awesome your two superstar players are and you are getting contributions from everyone else including a freshmen center would normally produce a lot of positive vibes. Yet I find myself unable to get move off tonights defensive performance...and actually the defensive performance the past two games. Both games RU has allowed its opponents to come in and get into a comfort zone shooting the ball mainly from the perimeter. St Peters put up 42 in the first half last game and finished 10-27 from 3 but started I think 7-15. In that game one guy Randolph particularly was able to stay hot going 7-12 fg, 4-8 3pt fg for 22 points. Tonight, Bashir was unstoppable going for 38 points on 11-23 shooting including a whopping 10-17 from 3 and the Hawks overall were 10-29 but 9-20 at one point. Yes he was incredibly hot and yes the defense was basically giving him everything. It was just too easy and when Bashir was not shooting, there seemed to be too many guys easily getting the ball near the rim or taking uncontested shots. I cannot remember a Pikiell team laying off so much defensively and being so pourous. To give up 51 points to this version of Monmouth in one half, come on guys.

The most damning run came at when RU went up 67-45 but then proceeding to allow a 23-12 run over a 7 minute stretch. Further in was a 10-1 run by Monmouth over 3 minutes that cut the lead to just 79-68 and made us all adjust ourselves in our seats. It was a tough watch because the Rutgers offense was stumbling and bumbling for the first time this game. Obviously Ace was hurting after his earlier dunk play and landed on the floor again after being fouled, he missed both free throws. RU passing was sloppy with a stretch of 4 turnovers and perhaps the wrong people touching the ball. I thought a little too much forcing it to Summerville and dare I say Rutgers actually looked gassed and lethargic for a time. Not unlike how they did vs St Johns in the exhibition game. Obviously a better team there and they were not able to withstand the Red Storms run but to me this stretch felt similar.

In this particularly game RU was never really in danger of losing it but you want to see the D show some lock down moments and while its hard to say being up 16-20 isnt good enough, RU missed on opportunties to truly blow it opened. Seemed like they kept leaving Monmouth hanging around rather than put the nail in their coffin. Hopefully a teaching moment for Pike. He called timeout when they lead got cut to 11 and did at least go back to putting the ball back in the hands of guys who Monmouth could not guard and Dylan and Ace were able to draw fouls and hit a bunch of free throws to give RU some breathing space. A key play by Zak Martini on defense I think was the death knell for Monmouth and unsurprisingly it was Zak who also stepped up with a couple of buckets in the closing minutes and to me was the all around player of the game for RU with 18 points in 26 minutes on 7-10 fg and 4-7 from 3

It sucks that Ace may have got banged up again. Hopefully not serious. He came out right way with that 3 and hit a couple of scintilllating shots that only a NBA talent can make with regularity. 5-10 fg but 6-8 ft, 6 boards, 2 steals in 30 minutes. Pick your poison if you are attempting to guard Rutgers. For about 30 minutes of this game RU could pick their shot. Harper maybe a bit quiet in the first half but came out strutting his stuff with a quick 6 points in the opening minutes of the 2nd half. Another 20 point game on 6-9 fg shooting with 6 boards but got others involved with 6 assists and some of them were beauts. Derkack such a tough distributor with 9 assists tonight including a highlight reel one to J Mike. Also tough on the boards with 6. I will say his defense wasnt great on the perimeter though. Lathan continues to impress with his skills. 10 points on 4-8 fg with 7 boards. Some great signs from him however he is asked to do too much. There was a key stretch for me in the 2nd half where I think Pike was asking too much from him and was hurting the offense. Tough situation because its obvious Ogobole cannot play for more than a few minutes each half. Solid minutes from both Hayes and Davis playing their roles. Hayes with 11 points and 3-4 from 3 in 22 minutes and Davis with 9 showing fearlessness to the hoop and perhaps the best defensive player on the team.

Now in fairness no Jeremiah Williams tonight. At first I did not notice. In the first half the offense was clicking without him and the defense was holding its own. However by games end I realize yeah we need J Will because he just provides something on D that we will not get from Ace or Dylan or for anyone else for that matter. Yet I am not confident this is a good defensive team or it is capable of being a good defensive team. Will the strategy be "let the offense run and roll" and hope that is enough. In non conference games it is. It likely will be enough in some of the Big 10 conference games. It will not be enough in the top half of the league and that is your difference between being a top 4 seed in the NCAA or a 10 seed or even a bubble team. Now its just a small 3 game data point that we have and I do not want to rush in judgments. Merrimack will not tell us much but I wouldnt be surprised if we do see a more concerted focus on D before RU heads out on the road. Going to be a challenge for Pikiell. This is a different type of team with different type of players. There is so much to be excited about but there is still so much to work to for them to fulfill all of the promise we are dreaming about.
 
You have a 6 point lead with 4 minutes left in a B1G game. Does Pike have the guts to put the right lineup on the floor. At least talking about right now.
 
This is going to be very disagreed with………

I think Pike is making a mistake with Ogbole. He is needed on defense.
Yeah he’s such a liability the pros don’t outweigh the cons. I couldn’t disagree more. If you need a stop on d are you saying I want that guy on the floor late in the game ? However I don’t mind him starting at least so far. Lathan watching for 4 minutes , not getting a quick foul, hasn’t hurt us so far.
 
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Yeah he’s such a liability the pros don’t outweigh the cons. I couldn’t disagree more. If you need a stop on d are you saying I want that guy on the floor late in the game ? However I don’t mind him starting at least so far. Lathan watching for 4 minutes , not getting a quick foul, hasn’t hurt us so far.

agreed. i understand what he SHOULD do defensively. but he doesn't do it. and he's a zero on offense.
 
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Team Chemistry will only get better. You can see they all like each other and have fun out there. It’s a different style than we’re used to and that’s ok. But I do worry that we can’t rebound well vs these low majors, lack any post man D, and can’t defend the 3 ball well at all, perimeter defense and rotations have to improve.

Ogbole is just a body. Can’t see him playing any more than 15 mins and only against B1G biggest teams.
 
I must have watched a different game. This team has a chance to be very very good. Special category. Pike coaches D into everyone. I am not that worried about it. Enjoy the ride. This is a special team IMO.
It's not like we have to guess. We saw the St John's game. The team can score but struggles on D. With that being the case we are probably an up and down middle of the pack team. Unless the D improves dramatically...
 
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My guess is that Rice’s gameplan in the first half against a more talented RU team was to take the shot clock down as much as possible before hopefully getting a high percentage look.

When he got into the locker room at halftime, down 47-30, he decided what the heck, we’re not gonna win playing that way, we have shooters so let’s play to our strength, push the pace, and try to make shots.

Seeing that, our guys were like, ok if you wanna play that way we already have a big lead so let’s run and gun. All this is my way of saying we let them dictate the pace, and our players were happy to oblige as it was showtime at the RAC.

We then shot well enough from the field and at the line to keep pace with them and their star who was shooting out of his mind. So we ended up with a track meet and held onto the lead we had taken halfway around the track.

It’s another V in the W column, so I’ll take it. We may find a different way to win the next game, or it may be more of the same, I don’t know. But I also don’t care, as long as we win.
 
I think part of having a young, new team is getting them locked in against a Monmouth where you’re up 20 and in no real danger of losing. Obviously it’s not an excuse, but I think it’s freshman stuff that’s going to be part of this season, plus I’d rather bank on Pikes to fix the offense than the other way around.
 
You can't have only 3 returning players with a combing 10-12 games together and 9 new players and expect the defense to magically come together for 40 minutes of lockdown defense. It takes time to know where everyone should be.

They are defending the 2pt shot very well, 47-122 38.5%, not so much from 3, 28-72 38.9%. This is only game #3. Until the defense does come together, I'm just glad we have several options on this team that can go for double digit points in the meantime while the defense becomes more consistent.
 
This team is obviously much more athletic and talented than any team Pike has ever had at Rutgers.

Pike is not going to coach this team like other squads he’s had given his emphasis on defense .

Pike inquired with Coach Calhoun about how he coached his UConn squads when he recruited studs like Ray Allen etc

Calhoun said just let them play and have them run up and down the court.

This is what Pike is doing and I’m ok with it.

Regardless I’m sure Pike will tighten up the defense as the season progresses - but it’s about the offense and showcasing those talents this year !
 
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We’re three games into the season chill, I’m happy we had 21 assists on 31 made baskets, right now the offense is ahead of the defense, at times we are playing 3 freshman, growing pains absolutely, defense will continue to improve, Bashir had a career night, even when he was well guarded he was dropping threes, there were also times when he wasn’t given the attention he deserved.
Nine new guys, and only one starter from last year give the some time, they have showed they are capable of playing pretty good defense, but they struggle with consistency.At times they individually try to do too much again some of this is just playing together over time.
If they were as good as they could be I’d be both shocked and worried. The biggest thing missing is consistency and hopefully that will continue to improve, just try and relax and enjoy the show.
 
Offense and ball movement and having a lot of offensive weapons was fabulous. That is where the good part of the night ends. They played almost no defense in the second half except a few efforts from Jordan. Ace was obviously hurt and could not bend over, reach for a pass, dribble comfortably , or jump for a rebound or blocked shot. Dylan was abused defensively and gave no effort on a number of plays.
Bashir was outstanding and have not checked the record books but one of the best performances by any opposing player at the RAC I have ever seen. He came into the game averaging 18 points a game in the 3 prior games and shooting 24% from 3. Scoring 38 points and shooting 10-17 from 3, including a 4 point play and hitting 58% from 3 was shocking. He hit some big time deep shots but our defense was so pathetic in that second half. Not only Bashir who sat for 5 minutes , think he tweaked his calf , but any player on Monmouth got whatever shot or drive they wanted. Totally inexcusable but it will be glossed over because we won by 17. Just disturbing.
Martini had a real good game and Jordan was a Swiss Army knife . Do not understand Pike’s subs. When we have a guy get hot like Martini hitting 3 in a row., the only one stopping his hot streak is Pike. He took him out. Why can’t he ever wait for the guy to cool off. He has done this since Day 1 and it is a huge Pet Peeve . He has killed more offensive runs than any defense we were playing against. Wish he would stop.
On a night that our ball movement was outstanding and the guys shooting threes were the right guys and the offense was humming , I was ready for the 25 point lead in the early second half , to go to 40 or 50 but instead a no show defensive second half. The second half each team scored 51 points. Pike has played games giving up less than 51 points but the total lack of defensive effort , put a damper on what appeared to be a great night having ACE and Dylan back together. Teaching tape.
 
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The recap and complaints about defense are bizarre....and makes no sense at all.

In recent years, we all have watched plenty of North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan State, Purdue, Kentucky and plenty of ranked schools or "offense first" programs.....and games get played in 70s and low 80s most times.

MOST programs who are trying to win, have to have an ability to match "basket for basket".

We have played with mostly limited skilled, limited shooting and incomplete basketball players for most of the Pike Era and we can name maybe RU 7 to 8 complete basketball players in this era (dribble, pass, create, shooting and improvise scoring, when a defense is winning a 1 on 1 battle).....

Most of this era would have made St Peters a dogfight and maybe a Derek Simpson or Mawot Mag or another incomplete offensive player BUT stronger defensive player slows down Randolph of St Peters or doesn't allow Bashir 17 3 point attempts....but Randolph is still going to score points and maybe Bashir doesn't get 17 3s if Simpson or Mag type of player is playing 30+ minutes, but it's maybe 11 3s....??

In either case, A Simpson or Mag non-scoring/non shooting threats aren't offsetting Bashir or Randolph hitting shots, so this game would be a 5 point nailbiting game and it's 77-72 RU instead of cruising to a 98-81 RU victory.

This transition of how RU would play started LAST year and it only showed up with a flickering light in a few games, but the style and pushing the pace was being showcased.....it Just lacked the offensive creative players or finishers and lacked the spot up shooting to compliment the guards.

PJ Hayes......Zach Martini.....Lathan Sommerville, Ace, Dylan.....they're scorers, creative players and willing passers....why on earth would we whine about defense on Bashir, when we are 2 missed layups and a bizarre layup taken away from JMike Davis, from 6 more points and 104 on the board??

We CAN decide to play like the methodical, 65-62 types of games, but there's no Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper or 4 2025 HS recruits, signing up for that. We can just play the more athletic Dylan Grant or Bryce Dortch with Ogbole, run the shot clock down and ask Dylan and Ace to manufacture 50 points by themselves and wait for those 2 freshman to figure out how to score, rebound AND defend on the job......

OR take our chances with Zach Martini, PJ Hayes and Lathan Sommerville to learn how the rotations work on defense, while keeping the pressure on defenses and help Dylan and Ace, play to their strengths, of driving, scoring and keeping the lanes clear.

It is a new era of basketball and I am certainly willing to take my chances that Martini, Hayes, Sommerville improve on defense while maintaining their high offensive skills, vs asking limited players to score 12 to 14 points with lock down defense 30 games in a season.

it is more likely that opponents like Randolph and Bashir don't have career rights. You just cant win, unless you score points. RUs evolution towards offensively skilled and creative players with freedom to improvise......and away from limited offensive players who can only play defense, started last year and is in full swing this year......get used to it!!!
 
In other scores in the B1G, Wisconsin scores 103??....Purdue 87.....Michigan under Juwan Howard struggling to score last year, gets 76 with a revamped roster and new coach, Dusty May......and got it on a defensive 1st, principle coached team in Jaime Dixon and TCU......Maryland, who also was a terrible shooting team last year, got better scorers and had 74 against a high caliber offensive opponent #13 Marquette, in a 4 point home loss.

I don't see how RU fans want to be stuck in the bottom 1/3rd of the B1G, hoping to hold teams in the 60s. It's just not where recruiting is trending, where the game is going.
 
You can't have only 3 returning players with a combing 10-12 games together and 9 new players and expect the defense to magically come together for 40 minutes of lockdown defense. It takes time to know where everyone should be.

They are defending the 2pt shot very well, 47-122 38.5%, not so much from 3, 28-72 38.9%. This is only game #3. Until the defense does come together, I'm just glad we have several options on this team that can go for double digit points in the meantime while the defense becomes more consistent.

Disagree.

It’s totally reasonable to expect an almost-entirely-new, freshman-lead team to be 100% locked in on all defensive schemes from day 1. And the fact that this team has already shown that it doesn’t have the utter-offensive-ineptitude of previous RU teams is irrelevant 🙄
 
In other scores in the B1G, Wisconsin scores 103??....Purdue 87.....Michigan under Juwan Howard struggling to score last year, gets 76 with a revamped roster and new coach, Dusty May......and got it on a defensive 1st, principle coached team in Jaime Dixon and TCU......Maryland, who also was a terrible shooting team last year, got better scorers and had 74 against a high caliber offensive opponent #13 Marquette, in a 4 point home loss.

I don't see how RU fans want to be stuck in the bottom 1/3rd of the B1G, hoping to hold teams in the 60s. It's just not where recruiting is trending, where the game is going.
Agreed, the past teams of Pike that were defense first, only can win with defense and have bad offense teams, has scarred our brains with a prism that this team is now being viewed with. Does this team have defensive lapses? Does this team have issues on the defensive end? Yes to both absolutely. But, we may have to adjust the prism we use to view and analyze this team such that we evolve and realize this team may be able to win a lot of games as 1) an offense first team; 2) a team that will be led by two freshman who are figuring out the college game, how to play defense and likely going to get better as the year progresses; 3) a team with many new parts who has gelled quickly and will continue to come together as the year progresses, including on the defensive end; and 4) Remember that we have Pike as the coach, who is a defensive guru and have faith that he will make improvements with this team’s defense.

But I do think we have to adjust how we think and realize that most likely 80-90% of our wins and are going to be because of offense, and we may even have some more really bad defensive nights along the way in some of those wins. Enjoy the ride, and realize that we have the offensive end handled pretty well at the moment and we have a guy who knows a thing or two about defense to improve the defensive end. This team is not a 60 or 65 speed limit team on defense, and they won’t be one, that’s okay, but I do think they will get better on that side of the ball to go with the nice offense.
 
This game was FOOL’S GOLD. We took a step backwards today.
Going to the RAC last night I was gleeful, I felt like I was on my way to collect a prize.
I did not leave feeling good.

It felt like we were more trying to put on a show than win a basketball game. Two games in a row it seems like we let an inferior team hang around. Up by only 11 with 5 minutes left and Bashir playing unconscious with Jamison Battle vibes.

JWill not dressing and Ace not coming out for the handshake line after leaving the floor with 3 minutes left didn’t help my anxiety.

I am willing to chalk this up to extra adrenaline excitement for Aces first game.
I do think they can and most likely will learn from this, but we are really running out of time before it gets real.
 
This is going to be very disagreed with………

I think Pike is making a mistake with Ogbole. He is needed on defense.
I do agree we don’t need Lathan’s skill on offense to win. We have guys that can score.

The problem is I’m not sure Ogbole is definitively better on D. He does seem to move out to the perimeter to help double then get back to the lane better. His tendency to bobble rebounds he has his hands on is a big demerrit. And the mental mistakes…like stepping on a guy, or the court before inbounding the ball…are not the hallmarks of a winning player. If Ogbole miraculously fixed either his hands or his head then I’d sign up for him playing the majortiy of the minutes. Without that our best path forward is to give Lathan enough time to grow into this and keep developing.
 
Giving up 81 to Monmouth and being down to St. Peter’s with 4 minutes left are concerning whether you admit it or not. Yes the team should improve but these first three games shows this team isn’t a big ten title contender right now.
 
A lot of good stuff in Carino's article, including:

"It's the most points an opposing player has scored against Rutgers since St. John's guard Marcus Hatten dropped 44 in 2003 and the most by a visiting player at Rutgers since Davidson's John Gerdy scored 41 in December 1977, shortly after the RAC opened. This was the second-most 3-pointers by any player in the building, visitor or home, behind only 11 from Michigan State's Bryn Forbes in 2016."

 
The recap and complaints about defense are bizarre....and makes no sense at all.

In recent years, we all have watched plenty of North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan State, Purdue, Kentucky and plenty of ranked schools or "offense first" programs.....and games get played in 70s and low 80s most times.

MOST programs who are trying to win, have to have an ability to match "basket for basket".

We have played with mostly limited skilled, limited shooting and incomplete basketball players for most of the Pike Era and we can name maybe RU 7 to 8 complete basketball players in this era (dribble, pass, create, shooting and improvise scoring, when a defense is winning a 1 on 1 battle).....

Most of this era would have made St Peters a dogfight and maybe a Derek Simpson or Mawot Mag or another incomplete offensive player BUT stronger defensive player slows down Randolph of St Peters or doesn't allow Bashir 17 3 point attempts....but Randolph is still going to score points and maybe Bashir doesn't get 17 3s if Simpson or Mag type of player is playing 30+ minutes, but it's maybe 11 3s....??

In either case, A Simpson or Mag non-scoring/non shooting threats aren't offsetting Bashir or Randolph hitting shots, so this game would be a 5 point nailbiting game and it's 77-72 RU instead of cruising to a 98-81 RU victory.

This transition of how RU would play started LAST year and it only showed up with a flickering light in a few games, but the style and pushing the pace was being showcased.....it Just lacked the offensive creative players or finishers and lacked the spot up shooting to compliment the guards.

PJ Hayes......Zach Martini.....Lathan Sommerville, Ace, Dylan.....they're scorers, creative players and willing passers....why on earth would we whine about defense on Bashir, when we are 2 missed layups and a bizarre layup taken away from JMike Davis, from 6 more points and 104 on the board??

We CAN decide to play like the methodical, 65-62 types of games, but there's no Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper or 4 2025 HS recruits, signing up for that. We can just play the more athletic Dylan Grant or Bryce Dortch with Ogbole, run the shot clock down and ask Dylan and Ace to manufacture 50 points by themselves and wait for those 2 freshman to figure out how to score, rebound AND defend on the job......

OR take our chances with Zach Martini, PJ Hayes and Lathan Sommerville to learn how the rotations work on defense, while keeping the pressure on defenses and help Dylan and Ace, play to their strengths, of driving, scoring and keeping the lanes clear.

It is a new era of basketball and I am certainly willing to take my chances that Martini, Hayes, Sommerville improve on defense while maintaining their high offensive skills, vs asking limited players to score 12 to 14 points with lock down defense 30 games in a season.

it is more likely that opponents like Randolph and Bashir don't have career rights. You just cant win, unless you score points. RUs evolution towards offensively skilled and creative players with freedom to improvise......and away from limited offensive players who can only play defense, started last year and is in full swing this year......get used to it!!!
You make a valid point, Hawk. We do have to adjust our mindset in how we view our team. In some ways, we have Stockholm Syndrome — we find the good in our captor, who is elite on defense, and forsake our saviors who are elite on offense. It’s a sickness to be sure.

But isn’t there a happy medium? Can’t we score 80+ but expect to NOT give up 42 to SPU and 51 to Monmouth in single halves? If you look at all of the top teams, yes they’re usually top 25-50 offenses, but they’re also usually top 25-50 defenses. I don’t want to be Iowa with a top 10 offense but a sub-100 defense.

This team needs to play better defense, period.
 
Some of the defense in the second half was really dissapointing, and I'm not just talking about on Bashir. I think I'm going to chalk it up mostly to freshman fatigue? The RAC being low energy?

Need JWill back.

I weirdly walked out a little down. Maybe cuz Ace couldn't finish the game? Maybe I'm being greedy and thought we should have won this by 30+? Maybe that Ogbole can't get more than a couple minutes and I know that's gonna be a huge issue in league play?

Bizarre that I feel this way after scoring 98 lol.
 
In other scores in the B1G, Wisconsin scores 103??....Purdue 87.....Michigan under Juwan Howard struggling to score last year, gets 76 with a revamped roster and new coach, Dusty May......and got it on a defensive 1st, principle coached team in Jaime Dixon and TCU......Maryland, who also was a terrible shooting team last year, got better scorers and had 74 against a high caliber offensive opponent #13 Marquette, in a 4 point home loss.

I don't see how RU fans want to be stuck in the bottom 1/3rd of the B1G, hoping to hold teams in the 60s. It's just not where recruiting is trending, where the game is going.

Rutgers gave up 51 points to a bad Monmouth team in ONE half. Monmouth shot 27, 29, and 31 I think in its 3 previous games. The D was painfully bad last night. It was subpar against St Peters. It was obvious the reason for the St Johns loss. Wisconsin and Purdue are playing high scoring games against top 5 schools not Monmouth

The 3 Vegas games are coming up followed by a trip to Ohio State fast. Team is going to have to grow up fast.

Thats the question I take from last night. Our center position is a glaring weakness on D. Our perimeter defense is alwats susceptible to being burned. Can those things be fixed before that 4 game gauntlet...or even is this high octane offense even capable of lock down defense and will we rely solely on just overpowering our opponents

Dont think my thread is bizarre or an overreaction and if you think I am writing the season off you are wrong too but I need to feel a smidgeon of defense. These players are only here for a year with off the chart expectations. The usual 4 years of growth and experience is condensed into a very short period of time
 
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Some of the defense in the second half was really dissapointing, and I'm not just talking about on Bashir. I think I'm going to chalk it up mostly to freshman fatigue? The RAC being low energy?

Need JWill back.

I weirdly walked out a little down. Maybe cuz Ace couldn't finish the game? Maybe I'm being greedy and thought we should have won this by 30+? Bizarre that I feel this way after scoring 98 lol.

I think J Will makes a big difference on defense but unfortunately might actually disrupt the offensive flow which I will admit was impressive last night

Need a 4th data point but with him and Ace banged up plus the lesser middling competition level, its tough to get a real evaluation of our teams peak performance on both sides of the ball.
 
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Defense = effort

I’m annoyed by the laziness too but the effort up 20 against Monmouth will be different than the effort against Ohio State down 2. It just will.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the 4 vs. 10 seeds you mentioned.

One aspect not discussed was Ace clearly helps our rebounding even though he’s a twig, but he needs to work on his ball handling a bit if he wants to go 2nd overall. Right now if I had the 2nd pick, I’d take Harper for sure.
 
Defense = effort

I’m annoyed by the laziness too but the effort up 20 against Monmouth will be different than the effort against Ohio State down 2. It just will.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the 4 vs. 10 seeds you mentioned.

One aspect not discussed was Ace clearly helps our rebounding even though he’s a twig, but he needs to work on his ball handling a bit if he wants to go 2nd overall. Right now if I had the 2nd pick, I’d take Harper for sure.

Yeah seeing all thise Big 10 OOC games last night Im itching for better competition. I do agree they will rise up when those lights go on. Hoping they learned from the St Johns loss
 
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You would think with the discussion we’re having on here we’re talking about teams from the last two years. Across college basketball teams are scoring 85-90-95 points regularly enough and most of the time they give up a lot more points as a result… that’s basketball in 24-25

Look at the teams who make deep deep runs they are playing TIMELY defense not lock down speed limit defense

Even Houston whose defense I think is 10x better than ours ever was SPEEDS the game up via defense whereas our best defensive teams couldn’t score 70 regardless

My point is this team doesn’t have to be a lockdown kenpom top 5 defense to be good. It needs to LEARN and GROW into a situationally good defensive team

People panicking need to pay attention to the score boards across the country at how many GREAT TEAMS struggle agaisnt lesser teams early
 
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Rutgers gave up 51 points to a bad Monmouth team in ONE half. It was painfully bad last night. It was subpar against St Peters. It was obvious the reason for the St Johns loss. Wisconsin and Purdue are playing high scoring games against top 5 schools not Monmouth

The 3 Vegas games are coming up followed by a trip to Ohio State fast. Team is going to have to grow up fast.

Thats the question I take from last night. Our center position is a glaring weakness on D. Our perimeter defense is alwats susceptible to being burned. Can those things be fixed before that 4 game gauntlet...or even is this high octane offense even capable of lock down defense and will we rely solely on just overpowering our opponents

Dont think my thread is bizarre or an overreaction and if you think I am writing the season off you are wrong too but I need to feel a smidgeon of defense. These players are only here for a year with off the chart expectations. The usual 4 years of growth and experience is condensed into a very short period of time
The center defense wasn't great the last 2 years either....we equate blocked shots as good post defense.

Right now, the difference between the last 2 years is we are getting mid post offense without committing to forcing the ball inside. There would be literally no chance to compete with Notre Dame, Alabama or potentially Creighton or Texas A&M in the last 2 years with the much better defense we played at times. It would be a lock for 0-3 record against that type of schedule.

We are not Iowa because we have a coaching staff that actually scouts and cares about defense.....but if fans walk out of the RAC expecting Jordan Derkack level defense and Ace Bailey/Dylan Harper offense and 105-62 final scores, it's just not reality based basketball.

This "bad Monmouth or St Peters talk" is fine if you want to buy into that.....The kid Randolph is from Willingboro and shot 40+% from 3, 2 years ago at Richmond and again last year at St Peters...seeing someone shoot 3s in this day and age is a surprise??

Bashir looks like he can play anywhere in the B1G and score....each and every year since 2012 in this Steph Curry/ Klay Thompson era, kids are growing up walk into the gym shooting 3s from age 8 in youth basketball. To discredit Bashir because he plays at Monmouth is crazy.

PJ Hayes played at a D2 school 2 years ago....if you gave Hayes a green light and put him in a Monmouth uniform last night, do you really think he's not scoring 20+ PTS....he absolutely would score points, because these kids are now hard-wired to know spacing and finding shots.

My point stands and it is that RU fans are conditioned to watching so-so shooting from players that are not always fluid offensively for years and hoping opponents miss shots, because it takes great effort to play great defense.

Your more concerned about the defense?? I'm not at all.

My concerns are Derkack, figuring out how to play at 90 MPH and not 110 MPH on defense....he has played some defensive possessions, so perfectly and then somehow bails out an opponent, at least once per half with a reach in foul.....

Will we rebound against Notre Dame, Alabama or Ohio State?? I hope so, but I'm also not looking at my roster and trying to figure out if we have a 3rd player capable of giving us double figures scoring Iike the last 2 years.

Right now 7 players can reach double figures any night. I'm fairly certain that will override my defense and rebounding concerns....hoping Iowa misses shots against RUs defense, is not a formula for winning enough games in the B1G. We need balance and we have the ability to score points. I'm fine with how we look, vs the other way around of 65-62....
 
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Defense = effort

I’m annoyed by the laziness too but the effort up 20 against Monmouth will be different than the effort against Ohio State down 2. It just will.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the 4 vs. 10 seeds you mentioned.

One aspect not discussed was Ace clearly helps our rebounding even though he’s a twig, but he needs to work on his ball handling a bit if he wants to go 2nd overall. Right now if I had the 2nd pick, I’d take Harper for sure.
Yeah my only thought is these kids know they are up and can win the game. Less effort to play D and make buckets. So they do that. We will see with a better opponent if they can adjust that mindset accordingly.
 
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