Gary Waters on RU Facilities

[TRU2RU]

Very interesting read about how the lack of facilities played in recruiting tactics that he had to employ . Sad that Water leaves RU to coach at Cleveland State in the Horizon League & they have facilities that blow away the facilities at RU. Cleveland State has a 13,000 on campus Arena with a basketball practice facility included in the building. Anyone who thinks that facilities at RU are up to par needs to read this.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2015/03/former_rutgers_coach_gary_waters_reflects_on_recru.html

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by TRU2RU:
Very interesting read about how the lack of facilities played in recruiting tactics that he had to employ . Sad that Water leaves RU to coach at Cleveland State in the Horizon League & they have facilities that blow away the facilities at RU. Cleveland State has a 13,000 on campus Arena with a basketball practice facility included in the building. Anyone who thinks that facilities at RU are up to par needs to read this.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2015/03/former_rutgers_coach_gary_waters_reflects_on_recru.html

I noticed that the nice facilities havent gotten Gary Waters a job above Cleveland State. Again - we got a Cleveland State level coach, and wonder why we got a Cleveland State level team playing a Big Ten schedule.

 

[RUskoolie]

And you aren't getting this great coach you keep talking about with our infrastructure the way it is. It's been proven over the last 8-10 years to be career suicide to take this job on "as is".

 

[bac2therac]

Originally posted by derleider:

Originally posted by TRU2RU:
Very interesting read about how the lack of facilities played in recruiting tactics that he had to employ . Sad that Water leaves RU to coach at Cleveland State in the Horizon League & they have facilities that blow away the facilities at RU. Cleveland State has a 13,000 on campus Arena with a basketball practice facility included in the building. Anyone who thinks that facilities at RU are up to par needs to read this.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2015/03/former_rutgers_coach_gary_waters_reflects_on_recru.html

I noticed that the nice facilities havent gotten Gary Waters a job above Cleveland State. Again - we got a Cleveland State level coach, and wonder why we got a Cleveland State level team playing a Big Ten schedule.

do you like to argue just to argue, I think so......facilities do not make you win, but if everyone else has one and you don't, then your chances of winning or hiring a halfway decent coach are just about zero.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Originally posted by bac2therac:

Originally posted by derleider:

Originally posted by TRU2RU:
Very interesting read about how the lack of facilities played in recruiting tactics that he had to employ . Sad that Water leaves RU to coach at Cleveland State in the Horizon League & they have facilities that blow away the facilities at RU. Cleveland State has a 13,000 on campus Arena with a basketball practice facility included in the building. Anyone who thinks that facilities at RU are up to par needs to read this.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2015/03/former_rutgers_coach_gary_waters_reflects_on_recru.html

I noticed that the nice facilities havent gotten Gary Waters a job above Cleveland State. Again - we got a Cleveland State level coach, and wonder why we got a Cleveland State level team playing a Big Ten schedule.

do you like to argue just to argue, I think so......facilities do not make you win, but if everyone else has one and you don't, then your chances of winning or hiring a halfway decent coach are just about zero[/B].

unfortunately this is the issue i believe

 

[BKIn118]

GW is quite happy at Cleveland State. He has been offered other higher profile opportunities and politely declined.

Family and job security are very important to him at this point in life. Not a thing wrong with that...
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[Local Shill]

Can you provide an example of one of these alleged higher profile positions? TIA.
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[higgins3]

They're going to have to make those calls," he said. "Our contribution to Rutgers continues to get smaller and smaller and it's becoming much more of a school that's financed by its students and its endowment."-Chris christie in recent article

 

[BKIn118]

No, I can't. The man is a friend. Sorry
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[Knightmoves]

Originally posted by Local Shill:
Can you provide an example of one of these alleged higher profile positions? TIA.
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Higher profile than Cleveland State isn't necessarily high profile in CBB, especially when we consider the current P5 conferences.

I knew Gary a little when he was here and I admired and respected him a great deal as a MBB coach and as a role model for our players. But the recruiting challenge of bringing in BE players proved to be his undoing.

but I wish him well in the future. He's a good man and a VG MBB coach.

 

[Sideline20]

Originally posted by Local Shill:
Can you provide an example of one of these alleged higher profile positions? TIA.

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Why would you care? He's an "empty suit." Remember?

 

[mikefla]

"Waters said he made a mistake in 2001, leaving Kent State for Rutgers. He was lured by the thought of coaching in the Big East and on the East Coast.

But a man who grew up in Detroit and only coached in Michigan and Ohio discovered that New Jersey was a new basketball world, one where he was not especially welcomed.

"When I came to Cleveland State (in 2006), I got at least 50 calls from high school coaches saying they were glad I was back in the area," Waters said. "When I went to Rutgers, I got one call."

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/12/akrons_keith_dambrot_cleveland.html

 

[Hondo77]

Originally posted by higgins3:
They're going to have to make those calls," he said. "Our contribution to Rutgers continues to get smaller and smaller and it's becoming much more of a school that's financed by its students and its endowment."-Chris christie in recent article

It's not like we're the state university or anything like that.

 

[Caliknight]

Originally posted by RUskoolie:
And you aren't getting this great coach you keep talking about with our infrastructure the way it is. It's been proven over the last 8-10 years to be career suicide to take this job on "as is".

Some people just don't understand that 2+2=4.

It is rather shocking that 100% of the fan base doesn't understand our facility handicap and the real world implications it has on everything from player development, to coaching, to ultimately the record.

 

[Local Shill]

What hogwash.

I don't doubt for a second that he's a friend of 118 but I thought we'd stopped with this "I know something you don't" game.

I get the sense these "opportunities" were about as legitimate as a kid getting a piece of mail from a school and then saying they offered him.

Neither here nor there though. Like all the rest, in the end he didn't get to the only tournament that ultimately counts.
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[RUonBrain]

Originally posted by Local Shill:
What hogwash.

I don't doubt for a second that he's a friend of 118 but I thought we'd stopped with this "I know something you don't" game.

I get the sense these "opportunities" were about as legitimate as a kid getting a piece of mail from a school and then saying they offered him.

Neither here nor there though. Like all the rest, in the end he didn't get to the only tournament that ultimately counts.
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Why does it matter to you?
Why are you being such a rude brute about this?

 

[Plum Street]

Sorry , the guy that was ok with putting FHJ on his staff here has very little credibility .

 

[MADHAT1]

Originally posted by Plum Street:
Sorry , the guy that was ok with putting FHJ on his staff here has very little credibility .

For recruiting reasons it was a very good move, but Mulcahy had another reason and that was an underhanded one.

I'll admit I thought moving Freddie to HC would make RU MBB better, but admit pushing Gary out so Hill Jr. could take his place was a very bad mistake.
Not pushing Waters out ( though the way it was done was classless) was wrong, just Freddie being his replacement was a mistake..
Waters exit should have been handled better, but it was time for a change, trying to find someone that could make RU a constant NCAA Tourney MBB program.
Maybe if Freddie stayed as Gary's assistant and brought in the Recruits, Waters might have been able to make RU a constant tourney team.
But Gary's coaching alone wouldn't do that with the players he was getting.
Some pretty good ones, but not enough to make a constant tourney team and settling for NIT bids every other year really wasn't
something RU fans ( at that time) were willing to settle for.