I will give him credit for finally making a change in who starts but it sure took a long time to get to the guy who looks best suited for what the are trying to run. you need a couple guys in this offense because as we saw today you take some hits playing the position.
Give Ash credit for seeing potential in Gio
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My best guess is he knew it all along, in his heart, but Laviano kept the job in practice.
If that were the case, it would have been the Laviano show still.
Listen I have no doubt Gio will clean up the turnovers and he has big balls to go along with his arm and legs. He needs to play more in practice and games, that's it. All I'm saying is if we win 2 or 3 more games this season THEN we can lament on what could have been. I think the coaching goals this season were to install new systems and culture and improve as the season went along. Looks like that is being accomplished. But yeah, we competed and could have beaten Iowa and Minny. I don't think we would have a year ago.
Not really impressed with this staff at this point. Came in with an attitude but look like rookies at time.
not so fast my friend, I was lighting it up during the Washington game before the end of the first half. By the end of the game, I was called every name in the book I think...lol
This is the 2nd time you've said this and you couldn't be more wrong. Schiano had 10x the arrogance/attitude, from Day 1, than Ash has shown us. Even that moron Flood was a lot more arrogant. You don't like him, fine, but don't just throw shit against the wall.
It's safe to assume that we'll be seeing more of Gio's, uhm, family on TV....and I say this with ALL due respect...
This thread is a joke, right?
IMO CA wrote this season off before it started. Have a bad year with the prior regimes players. Bring in your guys and have a much better year next year. Only problem was it got much more ugly than he thought it would and the general public was starting to question the staff's ability and stubbornness. He had to do something - Rescigno. Would have seen more Hicks today, too, if Goodwin did not break out early.
I am committed to staying with CA and whomever he hires for his staff, but I am getting tired of the sycophants who refuse to recognize how much he needs to learn. If he can change he can be very successful. I posted after 3 weeks that his best chance to lose the fan base was his stubbornness, if it continued. It did. That is the most important thing he has to learn to change.
We will see.
IMO CA wrote this season off before it started. Have a bad year with the prior regimes players. Bring in your guys and have a much better year next year. Only problem was it got much more ugly than he thought it would and the general public was starting to question the staff's ability and stubbornness. He had to do something - Rescigno. Would have seen more Hicks today, too, if Goodwin did not break out early.
I am committed to staying with CA and whomever he hires for his staff, but I am getting tired of the sycophants who refuse to recognize how much he needs to learn. If he can change he can be very successful. I posted after 3 weeks that his best chance to lose the fan base was his stubbornness, if it continued. It did. That is the most important thing he has to learn to change.
We will see.
You sound ridiculous playing the contrarian on this one. He never should have came out unless he was hurt.
Me? He hurt his hammy in the 1st half. That's why he wasn't keeping the ball in the 2nd half. Oden was one broken tackle from going the distance - possibly - on the 1 play in the 2nd half.
You sound like someone who doesn't watch football. In at least three games this weekend I saw a different QB take a series despite the starter playing well. We weren't going to throw from deep in our end so it actually made sense to give him that series. Also he's considered more of a home run threat.
You don't take out somebody who's hot at that time of the game. Sorry guy. You're alone here.
If.. just if.. he broke that tackle. But he didn't. End of story. He came in because Gio pulled a hammy.. and probably needed to stretch it out. Otherwise Oden would've stayed where he belongs, on the sidelines as a possible back up.
Well aware of the hammy situation and, no, he didn't. Just pointing out that it could have been a huge play. That being said Ash and staff have decided Oden will play a sseries or two, each game, the rest of the season. The announcers repeated this more than once today. Nothing wrong with that, IMHO, since his RS has already been used.
Gio was a turn over machine in spring. He got better as he learned the offense. But of course people here are probably NFL fans and know nothing about player development in college.
Taking Gio out of his flow just to get Oden reps would not go over well. If we're down by 40 or up by 40, sure. Otherwise, I don't see it happening. Just conjecture. I don't get it.. we finally have a QB that shows his worth and people are still on here talking about who can replace him. How about we build an offense around him and treat him like the commodity he is.
Nobody wants to replace Gio. Not me. Not after today. Not anybody sane I guess lol! That being said I have no problem giving Oden a series or two each game so long as it makes sense at the time. The staff will learn and hopefully get better with experience. As will the kids.
Your last line is correct, but remember he is still learning. And considering many on here were clamoring for a return of a pretty inflexible coach, I'll let Ash grow into the job. If he's doing this in three or four years, I'll be extremely disappointed.
But he gets ZERO credit for switching QBs and negative credit for changing QBs during the game today. Just silly.
Gio starts, we have a shot to win against Iowa, we have a shot to win against Illinois, and he probably makes one or two fewer mistakes today, which would have changed the outcome. Yep, it matters. We're talking bowl if Gio starts the season. Seriously. And that's pretty crazy.
Think Laviano was kept the starter because he looked like he would make ;less mistakes , while Gio would be more prone to.
Ash was starting a QB that he wanted not to lose the game rather one that might move the offense better but make more mistakes that could cost RU possessions.
That was Flood's problem to and even when CL was turning it over, Flood wouldn't try another QB
Ash would play Laviano because he felt Chris would not lose the game by making mistakes, but did give others a shot. Though in small doses and then return to playing CL .
Finally Ash decided playing a QB that looks like he won't make RU lose by making mistakes wasn't helping RU win and he trurned to Gio who will make mistakes that might cost possessions, but also has better ability to move the chains than Chris was doing.
Ash deserves no Kudos for making Gio the starter now. It should have happened before.
Ash was starting a QB that he wanted not to lose the game rather one that might move the offense better but make more mistakes that could cost RU possessions.
That was Flood's problem to and even when CL was turning it over, Flood wouldn't try another QB
Ash would play Laviano because he felt Chris would not lose the game by making mistakes, but did give others a shot. Though in small doses and then return to playing CL .
Finally Ash decided playing a QB that looks like he won't make RU lose by making mistakes wasn't helping RU win and he trurned to Gio who will make mistakes that might cost possessions, but also has better ability to move the chains than Chris was doing.
Ash deserves no Kudos for making Gio the starter now. It should have happened before.
Ash should have looked at last years film, but it has been said, he didn't bother. If he looked, how,
could he not see he no way could have taught him not to fumble, throw interceptions, fall down as soon
as he was touched, to throw hard, to throw far, or throw accurate, to run faster, and read faster. Geo
looks like a Heisman trophy winner compared to CL. Today's game would have been 60 or 70 to 0.
With CL, and again I'm not blaming CL I,m blaming the Head coach and the O.C. Picking the wrong guy is
one thing, but not be willing to admit it was another.
How many practice reps did Laviano and Allen take away from Gio? Can you imagine his improvement with more reps. Did Gio have his stripe removed yet?
I'm pretty sure Ash knew all about CL. Knowing he is a preparer, as OSU DC he probably watched film from all six games Rutgers played in 2015 before his D faced Rutgers with CL at the helm.
Ash gets no credit for Gio playing now! He should take some heat for not getting Gio on the field on September 10!
Maybe because our history on developing QBa isn't great :) I will say this I was in the anyone but CL group, saw all I needed to last year. Gio and Tylin shold have been getting reps since day one.
Are you serious? The head coach of a P5 team writes off a season just to make the prior regime look bad? Last time I checked, W-L record is important to all coaches at every level. And don't you think he would look like a genius if he produced a winning record this year?
Maybe, just maybe, this was the plan all along? Go with the only QB with any experience and a tendency not to turn over the ball in order to get us through the murderer's row portion of our schedule. Then if he doesn't have it against ILL, make the switch for the more reasonable portion of the schedule and bye week?
Some of the more critical posts regarding Ash and staff are the dumbest things I've read here in a while. Anyone who believes that Ash would tank this season in order to make Flood look bad is a fool. Ash is tough, demanding , brutally honest with not only the players but also with himself. He knows what it takes to compete in the Big Ten and unfortunately Flood either had no clue or couldn't recruit the right players. I don't believe anyone can seriously argue that Ash would sit Gio or any of the other QBs if he thought they were more prepared than Laviano at the time to win for Rutgers. Laviano had all the starts last year, came determined to fight for the job, had some very good games last year ( and of course some horrible ones as well) and demonstrated leadership --something Ash places a very high value on in a QB. In other words , he was a known quantity. ..Moreover, posters are discounting the fact that if Laviano was to be replaced , it made most sense to have it happen after the Michigan game. Yes ,Gio didn't start the Illinois game but he came in at the start of the second half and the rest is history. I truly believe Ash will take Rutgers to the promised land.
Seriously? Flood kept in Nova no matter what. He simply did not make him out at all. NEVER. That is being stubborn. That is being inflexible.
Ash definitely waited one game too long.....but that is it. Look how hobbled Gio is after facing Minnesota. He'd be lucky to be alive today if he had to play whole games against Ohio State and Michigan. He's be on life support.
People need to calm down around here.
Perhaps Ash is also going through the head coaching learning curve. Its one thing to be a coordinator and quite another being the head coach and making the decisions.
Gio reminds me of a poor mans Tim Tebow in college. He runs almost identical to him. They are similar build. I don't give CA credit for putting Gio in now. Every single person and their mother knew that CL should've been benched after he threw for 9 yards vs. Ohio State. Or did absolutely nothing vs. Iowa in a winnable game. Not only did he not pitch a sure touchdown. The majority of his yards came from a screen pass that Jenarion Grant broke. Pretty much 80% of CL yards were screen passes that Jenarion Grant made a play. CL is probably one of the worst QB's in FBS football.
