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Grants extra year appeal calculation

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Just saw this on the NJ.COM site.

The calculation in determining the extra year may include the conference championship game - even if RU does not participate. Basically up to the conference - if denied then appeal goes to NCAA.
 
the significance is that in using 13 games instead of 12 the calculation comes out to 13 * .3 = 3.9.

From NJ.Com
Essentially, the Big Ten computes the total number of games scheduled and multiply by 30 percent (13 games x .3 = 3.9). By NCAA rule, you round to the nearest whole number, which means four games is the max allowable played.
 
yes, that is correct, we have been through this many times. The Big Ten just has to review the case at this point.
 
the significance is that in using 13 games instead of 12 the calculation comes out to 13 * .3 = 3.9.

From NJ.Com
Essentially, the Big Ten computes the total number of games scheduled and multiply by 30 percent (13 games x .3 = 3.9). By NCAA rule, you round to the nearest whole number, which means four games is the max allowable played.

What am I missing here? if the stated methodology is correct - then there is ultimately no functional difference
If looking at an answer that is "rounded to nearest whole number" - the result is the same for [30% of 12] and [30% of 13]

assuming: Big Ten computes the total number of games scheduled and multiply by 30 percent

13 games x .3 = 3.9 ...... then - rounded to nearest whole number = 4

12 games x .3 = 3.6 ...... then - rounded to nearest whole number = 4
 
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What am I missing here? if the stated methodology is correct - then there is ultimately no functional difference
If looking at an answer that is "rounded to nearest whole number" - the result is the same for [30% of 12] and [30% of 13]

assuming: Big Ten computes the total number of games scheduled and multiply by 30 percent

13 games x .3 = 3.9 ...... then - rounded to nearest whole number = 4

12 games x .3 = 3.6 ...... then - rounded to nearest whole number = 4

Correct. Don't know why Sargeant at NJ.com is calling it a "loophole." It is a rule, and Grant's case clearly fits within the rule. I had posted this on Monday, and it seemed in my mind beyond question. But I can see how some would jump to the conclusion that 4 games is 33% of the season, and he would not fall under the rule. But that section that has the rounding number title makes it pretty clear that your calculation above is correct, whether 13 or 12 games is used.
 
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The number is truncated (down) not rounded up.
I don't believe you are correct on this (quoting the rules).
14.2.4 (c) "In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport."

"14.2.4.3.6.2 Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine games). (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/07)"
 
I hope I am wrong but it may not matter. It could take 2 years to recover from something like this.. if ever (in terms of being a top athlete). I wish him well and hope he recovers well enough not to have a daily reminder of this injury for the rest of his life. Actually playing again is way down the list.
 
"Without commenting on specific case, B1G confirms that injured player w/ 4 games in 1st half of season qualifies for medical hardship."
 
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I hope I am wrong but it may not matter. It could take 2 years to recover from something like this.. if ever (in terms of being a top athlete). I wish him well and hope he recovers well enough not to have a daily reminder of this injury for the rest of his life. Actually playing again is way down the list.

Like what?
 
We also don't know if he even wants to petition for it.... kid may just want to try his luck in the draft. Don't know the recovery time for his injury though.
If he is granted the medical 5th year Janarion Grant will be back at Rutgers ...it will allow him to become stronger still, a better receiver and up his stock in the draft ...but for now we wait and wonder...keeping my fingers crossed...
 
We also don't know if he even wants to petition for it.... kid may just want to try his luck in the draft. Don't know the recovery time for his injury though.
Exactly. If he fully heals and is told he may go as a mid round pick not usre he would return and risk further injury.
 
Exactly. If he fully heals and is told he may go as a mid round pick not usre he would return and risk further injury.
At this point Grant will not be a mid round pick...no way...he is now in a limbo state ...he could go un-drafted and sign a contract with whomever but he would need to be a return specialist and guess what ...there are many who could run back kick offs and punt returns but play WR or RB ...as good as he is he's not ready.
 
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I remember someone posting that final decisions on the waivers (by league) happen some time after the season ends? That being the case, they just want to review everyone at the same time and that's the time they picked? Do they want to see overall how many cases they are choosing from before they respond so as not to give too many or too few in relation to all applications? (Saying this one as we see it's not always purely based on the numbers)
 
Like what?
"Like what?" Like a high ankle injury that ended his season, is called serious, looked awful on TV replay and media people are suggesting may have ended his college career.
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You don't think that could be a 2 year rehab to be at 100% to get near NFL tryout quality? You know how these things go.. these guys need to let it heal AND they need to stay in shape.. so they rush things when they feel no pain and then they injure it again and so on. Some come back and do not "trust" the leg and play differently. Very common.

That he was stepped on might help that.. it did not just "give out" under him.. and the moves he makes at full speed shows great confidence in his wheels. So he has that going for him.

Many people here are concerned about him getting an extra year to play college ball for Rutgers but we should all be concerned that Janarion Grant handles his injury well enough to get a shot at the next level.. and that might mean sitting out his "extra year" and rehabbing without trying to rush to get back to play for Rutgers. I am very happy that he will have that option.
 
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If he is granted the medical 5th year Janarion Grant will be back at Rutgers ...it will allow him to become stronger still, a better receiver and up his stock in the draft ...but for now we wait and wonder...keeping my fingers crossed...
Do you know his personal situation? Unless you know that you have no clue what this guy thinking. So many guys are desperate for money that sometimes they go to soon. It mom is on the verge of being evicted or you have a baby who needs fed delaying for a year and moving up a few rounds me little to you. Especially now unless you have first round potential the moving up is not a huge financial gain and there also a chance you gain nothing or lose everything. The money is in your second contract so the sooner you get to that the better off you are.

It will all depend on his financial situation and his rehab. If he can perform for scouts to show he has not lost quickness he will consider leaving based on personal situation.
 
the decision can depend on a few things:
- what is Grant's health? Is he 100% healed and able to woo the scouts in workouts?
- What is his financial situation? Does he need to go pro to earn money for his family?
- What is his educational situation? is he going to graduate this Spring? If so, he has his degree in case he doesn't make it in the NFL. Then again he may want to start graduate school (if he has graduated) while on the team if he is not projected in the NFL draft for better career options.
- NCAA decision. It sounds like he qualifies for the hardship waiver. I would say there is a 75-80% chance he gets it if he applies.
 
"Like what?" Like a high ankle injury that ended his season, is called serious, looked awful on TV replay and media people are suggesting may have ended his college career.
Iowa%20Rutgers%20Football.JPEG

You don't think that could be a 2 year rehab to be at 100% to get near NFL tryout quality? You know how these things go.. these guys need to let it heel AND they need to stay in shape.. so they rush things when they feel no pain and they injure it again and so on. Some come back and do not "trust" the leg and play differently. Very common.

Many people here are concerned about him getting an extra year to play college ball for Rutgers but we should all be concerned that Janarion Grant handles his injury well enough to get a shot at the next level.. and that might mean sitting out his "extra year" and rehabbing without trying to rush to get back to play for Rutgers. I am very happy that he will have that option.
He was months from entering the NFL draft. Another injury in college and there is no NFL. He'll have the combine or a pro day to prove hes back.
Its not like he's fragile but that was a freak ending to a great play. It hammered home that bad things can happen anytime. Why risk it.
And you have to be honest. He will not get interest from pro teams as a reciever. He will be looked at as a return specialist who can also catch on occasion. Another year in college isnt going to dramatically his chance. His resume and highlight reel are pretty full right now.
And if its a 2 year rehab than a redshirt doesnt help, his career is over.
 
He was months from entering the NFL draft. Another injury in college and there is no NFL. He'll have the combine or a pro day to prove hes back.
Its not like he's fragile but that was a freak ending to a great play. It hammered home that bad things can happen anytime. Why risk it.
And you have to be honest. He will not get interest from pro teams as a reciever. He will be looked at as a return specialist who can also catch on occasion. Another year in college isnt going to dramatically his chance. His resume and highlight reel are pretty full right now.
And if its a 2 year rehab than a redshirt doesnt help, his career is over.
my understanding is the combine would be a stretch. Next season would not be....hard to imagine a team taking a chance on a return only guy who can't perform prior to draft.
 
Ash has said that he is also preparing his team for what comes after college. Possibly coming back another year and working with Kenny Parker on strength and conditioning and the medical staff would help. I really don't think he would be ready for the combine this year and as others have pointed out, probably would get drafted low or not even.
Stay another year (if allowed) and risk injury but help the team.
Don't stay and not get drafted.
It's all up to him.
 
I hope I am wrong but it may not matter. It could take 2 years to recover from something like this.. if ever (in terms of being a top athlete). I wish him well and hope he recovers well enough not to have a daily reminder of this injury for the rest of his life. Actually playing again is way down the list.
 
As far as eligibility, I believe Jonathan Hillman was injured in BC's 4th game of the season last year and was granted a redshirt year. No idea about Grant's future plans, but he should get another year.
 
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