Agree. If Schiano regularly gets us 8 wins in the B1G we'll go to the best bowls we've ever been to. And despite what the doubters say, in my mind it's very doable.
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Agree. If Schiano regularly gets us 8 wins in the B1G we'll go to the best bowls we've ever been to. And despite what the doubters say, in my mind it's very doable.
Wasn't that thread up to over 700 pages? I looked at it years ago. It was so full of hate.
They whine about GS negative-recruiting Syracuse. Doug Morrone claimed we’d show recruits pictures of the worst parts of the downtown area. Stuff like that. Again, in the past 50+ years you mean to tell me Syracuse coaches in any sport never badmouthed Rutgers, it’s campus, the city of New Brunswick, etc? FOH with that. Again, we were just so easy for them to kick while we were down. They got mad when we finally got up off the mat, showed some pride and actually fought back. It’s as simple as that.
Brian Leonard actually said once that one of main reasons he came here is because Terry Shea didn't stop recruiting his brother Nate when he got injured in high school and Syracuse pulled their offer. So Leonard is the one thing we can thank Terry Shea for
They got pissed when we beat them 7 out of the last 10 times we played them!
yes, this is a well known fact here at RU...I knew this already.....point is, some Syracuse fans think otherwise
My favorite negative recruiting 'Cuse story is Paul Pasqualoni's staff telling Jersey recruits that Dick Anderson still wore his Nittany Lion pajamas under his RU gear.
This is it, as far as I know. It's really not a story to me. Greg did what he was suppose to do. He grabbed the Leonard's and was able to get Ray and Courtney after the PP firing.
I dont know about all that but I do know Greg staff was negative recruiting against Cuse when Marrone got there. I remember being at a coaching clinic where a Cuse coach mentioned it to the HS coaches. It was easy to talk bad about SU at that time. It was a really bad program at that point.
all know I'm not a GS fanboy however I do agree with you and in hindsight being 20/20, if he doesn't leave then we are a legit top 20 program year in and year out.
And it was easy to talk very bad about Rutgers in the 90's and early 00's. The worst that could have been said before we entered play in Big East football in 1991 was that we didn't play a big-time schedule and that we had small time facilities/little academic support.
Just talking about the best Syracuse has to offer could be considered negative recruiting
Most fans want to believe their program doesn't negative recruit, but the truth is everyone does it, from Alabama down to UMass.
399 pages that began in 2013....have fun if you want to read it all
https://syracusefan.com/threads/the-all-inclusive-rutgers-dumpster-fire-thread.61753/
Like the movie Godfather, Part II was better than Part I. Schiano Part II will be better than Schiano Part I.
I don't think there will be Schiano Part III. .But you never know.
I don't think there will be Schiano Part III. .But you never know.
Greg was a Moses type - an old testament coach who was good at laying down laws and cultivating a new culture. He freed Rutgers from an abyss, but without being able to enter the promised land himself (like Moses). He had good teams when he had good players. Unfortunately, the Butch Davis/Miami style of aggressive defense and low turnover risk offense didn't translate well in new era of spread offenses. Aggression vs White, Slaton and Schmitt had a lot of downside. RU never had a good red zone offense in Schiano era
It was good enough. The players didn’t execute it when it mattered most.
If more of them do their job during his tenure we have a different history.
That was Dick McPherson who said Dick Anderson
Wore blue and white underwear, and he probably did.
hmmm.. the more you test the more likely a false positive might happen... but I guess that's better than not knowing
As for GS negative recruiting.. I don't buy it. Maybe we had a rogue recruiter here or there who might stray off script.. but I don't see a man who preaches positivity in every facet of the program going down that road.
Simply does not pass the smell test when Syracuse is the only school complaining. I think it is all a negative recruiting angle that Syracuse fans are taking.
Simply does not pass the smell test when Syracuse is the only school complaining. I think it is all a negative recruiting angle that Syracuse fans are taking.
Thanks for the correction - forgot Dick McPherson.
I think I heard him doing the post game show on the local Syracuse radio after one of Schiano's better teams dismantled them in the Dome. The guy was going on and on about all the good things the orangemen showed that day. I know it is his job is to be a homer, but boy howdy, you'd think it was an orange inter-squad scrimmage for the amount of times he mentioned the opponent.
So looking at the last page of that (399), it's fascinating to see what our pal money3189 has to say when he's not on our board:
money3189 said:
money3189 said:
money3189 said:
Don't buy it? Everyone does it to some level. You dont think Big 10 teams weren't asking recruits why they will go to rutgers when Ash was the coach? Im not saying Schiano's negative recruiting was the reason for their lack of success. Cuse sucked during that time for many other reasons but it doesn't mean other Big East teams weren't pointing that out to recruits.
Of course I say things like that on a syracuse board. Thats the fun of it. There's lots of syracuse mention here. You are gonna take shots at us. As you should.
Edit That's one of the reasons why I post on that thread. To see who will react. So many people on this board claim they dont look and dont care about it.
I use to sit with the Leonards parents at the
Practices (before the new coach came in and disallowed fans to sit on the sidelines.)
And their mom talked about how Brian
Was coming the next year. So He was here
Because of Shea. No matter how hard people
Try to revise history.
The thread title here is Greg Schiano.. over there it is Rutgers Dumpster Fire.. we don't obsess with how Syracuse is doing... at least not now that we are in the Big Ten.
It is a little bit fascinating that their fans have to pump themselves up by claiming some superiority to Rutgers. That is an oxymoron because they cannot obsess about Rutgers while being superior to Rutgers. The obsession proves they are not superior.
The beauty of it is that if Greg has himself a few 8 win seasons and at or over .500 in conference with a couple of elite wins...our recruiting would blow up and 8 wins becomes the median not our goal.
I've always felt this. We just need to get to a level of respectable performance and build from there.
