Hard to believe we would be worse with flood

[Plum Street]

I get it that this is a total rebuild and things are going to look worse before they get better . But it's hard to believe that if flood were still coaching we would only have 2 wins. I think we would have 4 or maybe 5 wins at this point and yes still blown out by the big boys . This staff is learning on the job with bad talent and it's very, very ugly. We can only hope ash is the real deal because right now he's just a question mark.

 

[TMCB]

Ash=schiano..... give him 2 yrs

 

[Plum Street]

Ash=schiano..... give him 2 yrs

I really hope so

 

[brgRC90]

Flood had carroo and grant and won only 4 games.

 

[ScarletDave]

We would be just as bad if not worse .. we may have lost to New Mexico, and Laviano would still be playing so Minnesota and Ind would not have been as close as they were. The other difference would be, instead of the 5th ranked recruiting class in the Big ten for next year (at this point, according to USA Today) we would be around 12th.

 

[Blitz Pakage]

You can't compare Flood to Ash. We are playing with Flood recruits and lost our starters in Grant, Lambert and now Martin's been out the last few games. Hard for any coach to win with a team with no depth under those circumstances. I seriously don't know if Flood could have beat New Mexico. They lead the Nation in rushing and are already Bowl Bound at 6 and 3. I'll stick to my 3 year wait for better recruits before I'll make a judgement on the coaches. Yeah, there are some head scratching decisions being made on the field of play, but to me, that's still part of the process of growing. We will be alright Plum.

 

[RUMcMahon]

Ash=schiano..... give him 2 yrs

I really agree here, this team reminds me of early 2000 teams. Progress is there, now we need Ash to recruit.

 

[RUBand]

Ash=schiano..... give him 2 yrs

Let's hope not. GS is not good on the sidelines

 

[kjb32812]

Until you get the ponies, Saban could be your coach and it wouldn't matter.

 

[BlockR]

can only pray Ash is equal to Schiano..he needs to start by rebuilding a defense..like Schiano did.better question in this thread would be..
Q.would the team be better today if Schiano was named the head Coach as the replacement for Flood?

 

[RAA-1]

Until you get the ponies, Saban could be your coach and it wouldn't matter.

You are correct kjb. Now that Franklin has more talent he is indeed looking like a much better coach. That will happen at RU also after 2 more recruiting classes. Will we be a very good team or just much improved from where we are today? We will find out in a few years.

 

[ashokan]

Flood would have still beaten Howard despite having another half dozen or so players arrested along the way. The stadium would be half empty and RU would still be fighting Bucknell for OL. At least Ash sold more tickets and has recruiting headed in right direction. Of course no more crime waves either. The day is bright - the night is dark - Flood was not a B1G coach.

 

[BlockR]

Flood and staff were lazy recruiters and clearly that approach showed in leadership and discipline in handling the program.
Im sure it didnt help that Hermann was the AD.

 

[ScarletCrimson]

Tough to stomach indeed

 

[shields]

If Flood were the coach Laviano would still be the quarterback.

 

[RUBand]

can only pray Ash is equal to Schiano..he needs to start by rebuilding a defense..like Schiano did.better question in this thread would be..
Q.would the team be better today if Schiano was named the head Coach as the replacement for Flood?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jerzeyguy]

We'd maybe be a game or 2 better.. But that's because these players are fitted for Floods style. Ash is recruiting for his system. So it's atleast 2 years away until we see what Ash can really do

 

[RU#1fan]

I get it that this is a total rebuild and things are going to look worse before they get better . But it's hard to believe that if flood were still coaching we would only have 2 wins. I think we would have 4 or maybe 5 wins at this point and yes still blown out by the big boys . This staff is learning on the job with bad talent and it's very, very ugly. We can only hope ash is the real deal because right now he's just a question mark.

There are major deficiencies on this Staff and Ash must know it.
OC is way out of his league and needs to be replaced at season's end. The SpecialTeams Coach ...no comment needed. It's obvious to all.
Recruiting class in February will be the best since 2012.
See 5-6 wins next year and with another top 25 class in 2018 we will be at 7-8 wins in 2 years .

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

If Flood were the coach, the record would be the same, and the recruiting class would be like last years. That's the difference. We were just getting worse and worse with that guy.

 

[Abester33]

I would rather go 2-10, start fresh next year with the hopes of building a team able to compete with top tier big 10 teams then go 6-6 under flood for the next 8 years with the hopes of just making a bowl game. If you want to be great you have to rebuild the program with a great starting foundation. Might take a few years, but I think in the long run it will be worth it...just my opinion

 

[theRU]

I get it that this is a total rebuild and things are going to look worse before they get better . But it's hard to believe that if flood were still coaching we would only have 2 wins. I think we would have 4 or maybe 5 wins at this point and yes still blown out by the big boys . This staff is learning on the job with bad talent and it's very, very ugly. We can only hope ash is the real deal because right now he's just a question mark.

I will actually admit we would probably have more wins but would be worse for it. Fans lack long term vision. We would have 1 or 2 more wins, but our recruiting would be worse and we would be further stuck in the mud. Right now we are transitioning systems (which is why things look worse), we have a great recruiting class and things will get better.

It is always darkest before the dawn.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I would rather go 2-10, start fresh next year with the hopes of building a team able to compete with top tier big 10 teams then go 6-6 under flood for the next 8 years with the hopes of just making a bowl game. If you want to be great you have to rebuild the program with a great starting foundation. Might take a few years, but I think in the long run it will be worth it...just my opinion

You would be correct, but you do have to win games and build/develop players along the way against similar competition.....you cannot recruit at this level without wins....you have to have some success along the way. It's possible that the collection of the entire prior staff of assistant coaches is better than this current collection of assistant coaches on game day.

RU hired a person to recruit first, not based on game day coaching....Ash will need a significantly better staff as the next 2 years goes forward, otherwise he's going to be a coach building a program that the next coach in 4 to 5 years will take advantage of and take RU to the next level.

You are only as good as your assistant coaches.....the larger question is whether this current staff is the best we can do at RU right now.....that's a question that only gets solved on game days....game days is what you are judged on and RU needs to find a win in conference. It's very difficult to recruit for 2018 and 2019 strictly on promises of better days, without having some success in the B1G.

If the recruiting isn't at 2017 levels for 2018 & 2019 and the product on the field isn't significantly better the next two seasons, it will be huge setback for season ticket renewals, fan attendance and widens the gaps between similar competition in the B1G (Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Purdue, Iowa etc....).

 

[ArminRU]

can only pray Ash is equal to Schiano..he needs to start by rebuilding a defense..like Schiano did.better question in this thread would be..
Q.would the team be better today if Schiano was named the head Coach as the replacement for Flood?

Look at Schiano's first few years and answer your own question.

 

[mildone]

It seems some of our fans want a group of magicians; not a coaching staff. Wave your magic wand and suddenly our players will instantly become bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, more athletic, and simply better at executing consistently.

I get the feeling, often these days, that many of our fans don't watch much college football. Take wide-receiver play, for instance. If you watched OSU play last night, you would have seen their star dual-threat QB make some far-less-than-perfect throws. But their WRs made difficult catches, often beating tight coverage, which helped make both the QB and the OC look good.

We just don't have enough of that sort of thing going on right now. Our players are good players and can make good plays. But it's happening inconsistently. Really good players make big plays consistently - not just now and then.

Yes, our OC is young and learning on the job (pretty sure Meyer would tell you he learns from every game too). But DM's mixing things up, he's doing a lot of intelligent things to give our players a chance to have success. The players have to make the plays work out on the field and it was painfully obvious, in the game yesterday, that some of our players on offense were making mistakes (timing mistakes were happening all over the place).

Honestly, DM can't win with some of you. If he mixes things up too much and adds too many wrinkles, then he's over-complicating things and needs to dumb it down to give his players a chance. If he simplifies things, he's being too predictable and has to mix it up more to give his players a chance.

I am even more sure, now, than I was at the start of the season that DMs' going to wind up being a very good coach one day (probably in the NFL). He's super smart (probably guilty of overthinking - I'd tell him to trust his gut), and a bit too honest in press conferences.

But he's clearly learning every game and while he still has a way to go, I'd hate to have invested in him for a couple years while we're still trying to build depth of talent in the roster to compete, and then lose him just when he's hitting his stride and has weapons in the arsenal.

 

[theRU]

if you didn't expect for things to get worse before they got better we can't help you... lol

 

[RUChoppin]

Remember, Flood finished 4-8 last year with Carroo and three senior LBs.

Even if Flood might have fared a touch better this season by sticking with the old system... would you trade another Flood-trend recruiting class for an extra win this year? I wouldn't. The next coach would have been in an even deeper talent/depth hole than we're in now... we were recruiting our way into the MAC.

 

[Plum Street]

Remember, Flood finished 4-8 last year with Carroo and three senior LBs.

Even if Flood might have fared a touch better this season by sticking with the old system... would you trade another Flood-trend recruiting class for an extra win this year? I wouldn't. The next coach would have been in an even deeper talent/depth hole than we're in now... we were recruiting our way into the MAC.

No, I wouldn't trade an extra win for flood . I am just saying I think we would be a little more competitive and probably win a game like yesterday . As noted in this thread it's always darkest before dawn.

 

[theRU]

And if its bad for us... tOSU just smoked #10 Nebraska

 

[RU-05]

I get it that this is a total rebuild and things are going to look worse before they get better . But it's hard to believe that if flood were still coaching we would only have 2 wins. I think we would have 4 or maybe 5 wins at this point and yes still blown out by the big boys . This staff is learning on the job with bad talent and it's very, very ugly. We can only hope ash is the real deal because right now he's just a question mark.

5 wins? C'mon.

I think you had it right with your first sentence.

 

[Plum Street]

5 wins? C'mon.

I think you had it right with your first sentence.

Ok 4 . I think we get Illinois and Indy . Flood owned teams that start with an I !

 

[RU-05]

Ok 4 . I think we get Illinois and Indy . Flood owned teams that start with an I !

Even if this was right, and Flood were a good coach, and good recruiter, he should have been fired anyways.

I'll argue that the talent level is not as bad as the Flood haters argue it is, but I will not argue that Flood should still be here. He earned his pink slip.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[Plum Street]

Even if this was right, and Flood were a good coach, and good recruiter, he should have been fired anyways.

I'll argue that the talent level is not as bad as the Flood haters argue it is, but I will not argue that Flood should still be here. He earned his pink slip.

Yes he should have been fired . He should never have been hired.

 

[brodo]

If Flood were the coach Laviano would still be the quarterback.

I really think that Laviano should have been given the chance to run this team. He only started 18 games over the past two seasons.

 

[PaKnight]

We would be. That was not hard.

 

[mildone]

I love that quote and ones like it.

A loser isn't someone who has lost. A loser is someone who has lost and given up. A winner is someone for whom each loss is motivation to try even harder.

 

[RU31trap]

Profound Recruiting Edge goes to Chris Ash.

Since Flood would have run the pro set we would have beaten Iowa, Illinois and maybe Indiana. The athletes were acquainted with the pro-set and would have understood the playbook much better. Under Flood we are 5-4.

Coach Ash could be one of the all time greats, but refuse to anoint him the heir apparent to Schiano just yet.

 

[Dpgru]

Forget about whether or not we would be better with Flood, we would be significantly better with Grant. Same talent across the board and Grant makes us 4/5 or 5/4. (assuming the QB change would also have been made) I absolutely agree with Ash that we are not that far away. Better recruits that fit the system along with this staff learning how to coach in their new jobs and this team shows improvement very quickly. Not OSU/MICH type but certainly bowl eligible and competitive with the rest of the BIG.

 

[buffalochicken21]

Awesome, thanks for helping recruiting with your awesome thread in which you openly doubt a head coach that's learned from the best and led a national championship defense for a putz of a head coach that skipped recruiting to go to Counting Crows concerts and kicked field goals when down by 40.

Awesome thread.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I get it that this is a total rebuild and things are going to look worse before they get better . But it's hard to believe that if flood were still coaching we would only have 2 wins. I think we would have 4 or maybe 5 wins at this point and yes still blown out by the big boys . This staff is learning on the job with bad talent and it's very, very ugly. We can only hope ash is the real deal because right now he's just a question mark.

I didn't find the last 2 games to be "ugly." They were losses to teams likely going bowling. Minnesota might finish 9-3 if Armstrong can't go for The Huskers. IU is a win from bowl eligibility. Iowa loss was ALL on Laviano, IMHO, and these last 2 were tight contests. We lost to....get this...BETTER teams.