Agreed. We were right in them. At this point we are now playing to develop for next season. Some of the frosh and sophs getting valuable playing time in these close games. Going forward, Gio gives us some hope as he develops. At the very least, we will have 3 QBs going into next season that understand how to play in this system. Expecting at least 2 of the others to leave team or switch position
Hard to believe we would be worse with flood
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Flood's record this year would likely be similar, but the long term damage he would have inflicted with another year of awful recruiting, a lack of discipline and player attrition would be devastating. So, there's no point in speculating about his record.
Problem is, in today's world, most people do not have the tolerance, guts, and/or patience to deal with and learn from failure.
I have learned more from failures than reveling in successes.
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
― Thomas A. Edison
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”
― Thomas A. Edison
Prepare to be disappointed. OC isn't going anywhere and you will be happy about that in a year or two
Unfortunately those floods will never go away, and they are far worse. But I love your sense of humor.
Flood was one the of the most lost coaches we've ever had. It would be a tight race between Shea and KF as to which of the two was the more ill-suited for the Rutgers job.
With Shea, (at least after his debacle here), he went on the coach in the NFL and had success grooming QB's, so at least he showed some degree of football acumen, even though it certainly didn't translate to the college game, (not while he was here, anyway).
Flood, on the other hand, will be fortunate if he ever holds a coaching position again, ( and it certainly won't be as a HC if he does, unless it's at the D2, D3, or high school level, but even that's questionable). -He might, however, catch a break down the road and have one of his friends who's the head guy at someplace like Delaware or Hofstra, etc., throw him a bone and give him a gig as a position coach. But he had his shot at the big time, and we all know what the end result of that was.
Ash may be hitting some bumps now, but with the lack of quality depth he was handed and the injuries to key guys we absolutely couldn't afford to lose this season as a result of that depth situation, anyone coming in as the top guy here would be up against it. Even with that, though, there've been 3 B1G games where we were right there for the "W", but couldn't seal the deal. -That situation will change with CA recruiting high-caliber players that fit his system.
And for those predicting Ash's demise in a few years, I respectfully disagree. That's simply my opinion, of course, but I feel that if given a fair shot, Ash & Co. will get this thing rolling the way we all want it to.
With Shea, (at least after his debacle here), he went on the coach in the NFL and had success grooming QB's, so at least he showed some degree of football acumen, even though it certainly didn't translate to the college game, (not while he was here, anyway).
Flood, on the other hand, will be fortunate if he ever holds a coaching position again, ( and it certainly won't be as a HC if he does, unless it's at the D2, D3, or high school level, but even that's questionable). -He might, however, catch a break down the road and have one of his friends who's the head guy at someplace like Delaware or Hofstra, etc., throw him a bone and give him a gig as a position coach. But he had his shot at the big time, and we all know what the end result of that was.
Ash may be hitting some bumps now, but with the lack of quality depth he was handed and the injuries to key guys we absolutely couldn't afford to lose this season as a result of that depth situation, anyone coming in as the top guy here would be up against it. Even with that, though, there've been 3 B1G games where we were right there for the "W", but couldn't seal the deal. -That situation will change with CA recruiting high-caliber players that fit his system.
And for those predicting Ash's demise in a few years, I respectfully disagree. That's simply my opinion, of course, but I feel that if given a fair shot, Ash & Co. will get this thing rolling the way we all want it to.
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All joking aside, we will be dealing with Flood damage for a few years. Just like Sea Bright after Sandy, in a few years, things will be much better around here!
Was out to dinner with a Miami alum/season ticket holder Friday night. We got to talking about Hurricane football and he called Golden, and I quote "a 1-AA coach who didn't develop players". People in So Fla couldn't care less about what he did at Temple. It wasn't so much that he was horrible on game day (he was ok) but the Miami fans gripe was he could recruit but couldn't develop players. Just putting that out there what grads of other schools who live in other parts of the country think.
improved at best.. better players who won't be as good as players that PSU, OSU, UM, or prob even MD gets. Nobody even knows if Ash can coach, at this point I'm not sure he can and was def not high on anybody else's list. Your admin fired a guy but had nobody in mind..that MIGHT be worse than keeping what you had. This team certainly is playing worse than Flood's teams.. you are what your record is in college football. You will get a bounce, but that bounce might be low if you lose 8+ games again next year (looks like a certainty at this point).
Golden did a heck of a job at Temple.At Miami, not so much. At least he has a HCing resume we can analyze unlike our current coach who is a total unknown and showing he's in over his head. I'd prefer to take a chance on a guy from Red Bank with experience over a guy from Des Moines with none especially at 2M a year but here we are.
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Not sure why this matters. But to each their own.
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You are certainly entitled but given that is your opinion, why don't you do the rest of us a favor and come back in 3 years? Your position is certainly well documented so nobody can take that away from you. If you're right, you can break your arm patting yourself on the back and revel in "I told you so". If you're wrong, you can eat a healthy serving of crow. Continuing to incessantly trash our first year head coach and staff day-after-day serves no productive purpose if, in fact, you truly are a Rutgers fan.
If Flood was still here we might be just as bad but the BIG and i mean BIG difference is that we would have a recruiting class ranked in the 80;s or 90's and ZERO hope of ever getting better. We would be doomed digger and deeper and deeper hole for every season he remain as HC.
As bad as this season is going, Golden would've been worse. Hobbs should've gone harder after Schiano but his ego got in the way bc Schiano wanted Miami and Hobbs didn't want someone who "didn't want to be here". Once Miami moved on from Schiano, Hobbs should've put on the full court press.
Completely disagree on pursuing Schiano (and to be honest, I don't think GS really wanted to come back) but GS would have been far better than Golden. I think in 2 more years Ash will have proven he was the right hire.
I'm glad it worked out the way it worked out. No Schiano and we got Ash. Schiano has Ash's job now at Ohio State this year. That's a step back. Ash will take us there. I'm seeing subtle differences already and way more to come.
Let's see what Mehringer did wrong:
He missed the pitch to Harris that would've tied Iowa.
He missed the 30 yard field goal against Indiana.
He fumbled the ball on our own 20 yd line when we were winning by 11.
He dropped the TD pass in the endzone against Indiana.
Yea, you guys are right, Mehringer needs to go.
He missed the pitch to Harris that would've tied Iowa.
He missed the 30 yard field goal against Indiana.
He fumbled the ball on our own 20 yd line when we were winning by 11.
He dropped the TD pass in the endzone against Indiana.
Yea, you guys are right, Mehringer needs to go.
He's the QB coach too and works with 6 QBs. He stuck with Laviano and didn't see Gios potential ever. Needed Ash to watch Gio run scout to get Gio a shot during the Illinois game. If Ash never saw Gio run scout that day, we'd still have Lav starting.
You have to crawl before you walk and walk before you can run.
Nobody thinks we compete with OSU or UM in the next few years. Probably not PSU either. But we do get better. We start making bowl games again. We routinely beat the Indianas and the Illinois. We routinely beat the Minnesotas. We continue to recruit better and in a few years we compete with PSU and MSU for 3rd spot in the East. THAT should be our goal within the next five years. To compete and place for 3rd in the east. It's going to take time but luckily we have the recruiting base in NJ to do it. I think this is realistic.
Exactly. I had to tread lightly here for a few years but anyone who tries to get the fanbase to buy into the idea that stars don't matter is simply trying to cover his ass for being an incompetent recruiter. I know some will point out exceptions but I know my viewpoint is the rule.
That is a very ambitious goal. I do agree that you have the recruiting base but I do not agree that you can capitalize on it because of UM/OSU/PSU. I think getting to the level of Minny would be a pretty damn good goal for the next five years.
If we keep the class we have and add Bell and a legit DT like Bolds, Romello Martin or Wade Perry, and we continue to recruit NJ the way we are this year, we should be much better than Minnesota. The only issue is the East is such a tough division. Maryland is recruiting better than we are. BTW, not a single top 10 NJ player has committed to UM/OSU/PSU as of right now. There probably will be a few but this is not like years past. Hopefully it continues.
Interesting about the NJ T10 but I think the more important piece is how many you are getting.
The East being such a tough division is a big part of why I made the comments I did. I'm pretty sure Minny is borderline T25 most years. That's not a bad start IMO. In fact, I've been dreaming of PSU being T25 because it means your record has to be pretty strong and you are playing in a relevant bowl game. Win your bowl game and you are looking at T15 - T20 to end the season.
Minnesota had some borderline top 25 teams the past few years at some points of the season but they never finished with more than 8 wins since 2003. Other than that they've been a pretty average team in a weaker division. I mean we were 8-5 two years ago. People seem to forget that. Yeah we need to get back to being an average team before we can be a good team but I think we can aspire for better than Minnesota. Minnesota does not have the recruiting base we do. There's not a single year that Minnesota should out recruit us. No disrespect to them though because right now they are a much better football team than us.
People have to just give Ash time. Yes it sucks. Getting shut out at home 78-0 to michigan, losing all B1G game is not fun. Frankly, its embarrassing. But he has a plan to fix it and it starts off with recruiting. If he can keep the class largely intact. Hopefully, no more Taylor like defectors and add on a few more pieces in the wake of this really bad season he will make this program better every year. The latter will prove to be the hardest as it is tough for impressionable high schoolers to want to go to a team that is not very good. It's why the best players continue to go to the schools that are the best in the country. It sucks but it is what it is as long as the current recruiting landscape stays.
We might have beat the I-teams this year with Flood, and possibly scraped by into a bowl game, but that would be our maximum potential with him. Ash will recruit well and the wins will come.
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