Harper just taking 3 or 4 shots in first half is inexcusable on Pike

[bac2therac]

before Dylans steal for a hoop with like 20 seconds left he had only shot the ball 3 times I believe. Sorry but RU has zero chance to win if Pike is waiting until halftime to figure things out. There have been a couple other games where Harper started slow out of the gate.

Buzz gave the gameplan to all coaches on how to defend Dylan and OSU coach picked up on that. Pike has to figure something out quickly on how to get Dylan involved and interested early...and Dylan has to be willing to worrk a bit instead of hoisting up a quick 3. The earlier he gets into his rhythm the more its going to open up other options.

 

[Shell21]

before Dylans steal for a hoop with like 20 seconds left he had only shot the ball 3 times I believe. Sorry but RU has zero chance to win if Pike is waiting until halftime to figure things out. There have been a couple other games where Harper started slow out of the gate.

Buzz gave the gameplan to all coaches on how to defend Dylan and OSU coach picked up on that. Pike has to figure something out quickly on how to get Dylan involved and interested early...and Dylan has to be willing to worrk a bit instead of hoisting up a quick 3. The earlier he gets into his rhythm the more its going to open up other options.

we need a shooter in the corner when dylan is driving and in pick and roll. Like buzz, teams don’t respect our outside shooting when J Will or Deredek are in the game. How about putting Ace in the same side corner? Teams are just going to continue to pack the paint on pick and roll on dylan and we also don’t have a lob threat ala cliff from last year. Martini and Hayes were supposed to be floor spacers but they’ve given us nothing . also Acuff being slowed has killed us. Also think we can use Ace and Dylan in the pick and roll or pick and pop but we haven’t seen that as much.

Also instead of doing a dylan pick and roll to start the possession when the d is already set up how about some motion or false motion so the d isn’t set and camping in the lane when we try to run it

 

[winfield102]

Not surprising.
Does it appear that the staff has defined the offensive role for any of the players, what they want/need or don't want/need from them?

It looks like only a few players understand, on their own, what they should be doing/ not doing offensively.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It is on Dylan not Pike

 

[winfield102]

It is on Dylan not Pike

How so? Do we want Dylan to not pass?

Some plays in the last 9 minutes of the 1st half.

Dylan passes to Martini, who misses a 3.

Bailey shots a 20 footer with 22 footer on the shot clock.

Derkack gets swatted after throwing up a terrible shot while driving down the left side. Gross.

On the inbounds play, JWill catches and shoots a 3 with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

Dylan passes to JWill, who immediately travels.

Ace throws the ball into the seats.

Derkack drives but can't finish the layup.

Dylan tries to get to the hole (without many any passes) and comes very close to turning over the ball.

Dylan then misses a mid range shot off the dribble.

Derkack with a drive that had no chance of getting finished. Lucky to keep the possession.

Dylan passes to LS in the key, who then scores.

Dylan passes to Davis, who drives and misses.

JWill double dribbles after trying to go coast to coast.

Bailey misses a 19 footer with 6 on the shot clock.

Bailey misses 18 footer with no passes.

Dylan drives and scores on fastbreak, our last possession of the 1st half.

 

[ScarletDave]

That plus Ace taking 0 threes, inexcusable. An all-time shooter on your team, this is coaching malpractice.

Martini they draw up the out of bounds play, bang nails the 3, then only gets 1 more chance the rest of the game. A guy who nails 5 threes a game including beating us last year at Princeton. Totally inexcusable by Pike.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

How so? Do we want Dylan to not pass?

Some plays in the last 9 minutes of the 1st half.

Dylan passes to Martini, who misses a 3.

Bailey shots a 20 footer with 22 footer on the shot clock.

Derkack gets swatted after throwing up a terrible shot while driving down the left side. Gross.

On the inbounds play, JWill catches and shoots a 3 with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

Dylan passes to JWill, who immediately travels.

Ace throws the ball into the seats.

Derkack drives but can't finish the layup.

Dylan tries to get to the hole (without many any passes) and comes very close to turning over the ball.

Dylan then misses a mid range shot off the dribble.

Derkack with a drive that had no chance of getting finished. Lucky to keep the possession.

Dylan passes to LS in the key, who then scores.

Dylan passes to Davis, who drives and misses.

JWill double dribbles after trying to go coast to coast.

Bailey misses a 19 footer with 6 on the shot clock.

Bailey misses 18 footer with no passes.

Dylan drives and scores on fastbreak, our last possession of the 1st half.

You may be right

 

[bac2therac]

You may be right

Rutgers scored only 6 points for almost 9 minutes...2 free throws, a goaltend, and a basket....ironically all from Lathan.....now that is freakin unbelievable. OSU isnt vintage elite defense either..nothing particularly impressive. You mean to tell me that Pike cannot run some plays in that time period.

11 missed fg, and 3 turnovers......2-13 in that stretch. Ace missed at least 4 and I belive Harper took only 1 shot in that stretch and missed...CRIMINAL

 

[bac2therac]

There was another 4 minute scoring drought at a critical juncture with RU down 63-56. RU would blow 7 straight possesssions with 3 turnover and 4 missed fgs, OSU would go up 70-56 and game was over.

 

[zappaa]

Rutgers scored only 6 points for almost 9 minutes...2 free throws, a goaltend, and a basket....ironically all from Lathan.....now that is freakin unbelievable. OSU isnt vintage elite defense either..nothing particularly impressive. You mean to tell me that Pike cannot run some plays in that time period.

11 missed fg, and 3 turnovers......2-13 in that stretch. Ace missed at least 4 and I belive Harper took only 1 shot in that stretch and missed...CRIMINAL

No structure or system to fall back on or rely on.

 

[FIJI'83]

I am not surprised at Pikell being a poor tactician. He is still the same Coach who squandered a lead in the second round of the NCAA tournament against Houston by placing all his chips on Geo to alone find a way to win the game and we know how that turned out. Never forgave Pikell for employing a “playing not to lose” approach to the end of that game which should have sent us to the Sweet 16. Leopards don’t change their spots.

 

[Shelby65]

Much of coaching nowadays is simply rolling the ball out and letting the players do their thing, ‘get theirs’ etc and be recognized in recruiting efforts as such.

Same treatment as Cliff got for 4 years.

Players run the show, same as the NBA. It’s the game.

 

[richthedentist]

Rutgers scored only 6 points for almost 9 minutes...2 free throws, a goaltend, and a basket....ironically all from Lathan.....now that is freakin unbelievable. OSU isnt vintage elite defense either..nothing particularly impressive. You mean to tell me that Pike cannot run some plays in that time period.

11 missed fg, and 3 turnovers......2-13 in that stretch. Ace missed at least 4 and I belive Harper took only 1 shot in that stretch and missed...CRIMINAL

We don’t have plays to run

 

[ScottRU93]

Bottom line Pike is just not that good of a coach. Yeah he brought us back to relevance and has done some good things but anyone could see this year wasn’t going to work. Everything he is about (Defense, rebounding, milking shot clock) this team is completely the opposite. This will go down as a team with 2 players who were drafted top 5 that completely underachieved.

 

[fluoxetine]

That plus Ace taking 0 threes, inexcusable. An all-time shooter on your team, this is coaching malpractice.

Martini they draw up the out of bounds play, bang nails the 3, then only gets 1 more chance the rest of the game. A guy who nails 5 threes a game including beating us last year at Princeton. Totally inexcusable by Pike.

Martini gets absolutely abused on defense to the point he can’t really play. It’s painful.

 

[fluoxetine]

I am not surprised at Pikell being a poor tactician. He is still the same Coach who squandered a lead in the second round of the NCAA tournament against Houston by placing all his chips on Geo to alone find a way to win the game and we know how that turned out. Never forgave Pikell for employing a “playing not to lose” approach to the end of that game which should have sent us to the Sweet 16. Leopards don’t change their spots.

This is the dumbest shit ever. Pikiell’s record in close games as been fine. Slowing the game down when you are up 10 points with a few minutes left is not only a good strategy, it is the *only* strategy employed by non-idiots. That game was lost due to a catastrophic series of execution errors by the players.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Rutgers scored only 6 points for almost 9 minutes...2 free throws, a goaltend, and a basket....ironically all from Lathan.....now that is freakin unbelievable. OSU isnt vintage elite defense either..nothing particularly impressive. You mean to tell me that Pike cannot run some plays in that time period.

11 missed fg, and 3 turnovers......2-13 in that stretch. Ace missed at least 4 and I belive Harper took only 1 shot in that stretch and missed...CRIMINAL

There were times harper had the ball and deferred. He also settled (and made) for more perimeter shots.

Yes his teammates were guilty of “trying to do too much” but Harper was also to blame. He also guarded thornton which isnt easy.

 

[winfield102]

In that 9 minutes stretch, his 2 worst plays were the forced drive that almost ended in a TO (no passes before the attempted drive) and the mid range shot off the dribble.

He found the open man on a regular basis. Derkack, Bailey and JWill each had missed without any passes being made before they shot. 3 attempts with no passes and 3 TO's. I wouldn't say he deferred.

We don't want Dylan to freeze out players. It's the job of the coach to get the players on the same page offensively, not

 

[AdventureHasAName]

We don't want Dylan to freeze out players. It's the job of the coach to get the players on the same page offensively, not

I do.

 

[RutgersChow]

Rutgers scored only 6 points for almost 9 minutes...2 free throws, a goaltend, and a basket....ironically all from Lathan.....now that is freakin unbelievable. OSU isnt vintage elite defense either..nothing particularly impressive. You mean to tell me that Pike cannot run some plays in that time period.

11 missed fg, and 3 turnovers......2-13 in that stretch. Ace missed at least 4 and I belive Harper took only 1 shot in that stretch and missed...CRIMINAL

Look at all these comments. Pike has never really gotten it done on the offensive end. Now add the defensive end and you've got a guy whose well on his way to being dismissed.

 

[fluoxetine]

Look at all these comments. Pike has never really gotten it done on the offensive end. Now add the defensive end and you've got a guy whose well on his way to being dismissed.

lol you

 

[RUJMM78]

Five Rutgers players scored three or less points.Horrendous defense combined with only 66 points on offense isn't going to win many B1G Ten games.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Five Rutgers players scored three or less points.Horrendous defense combined with only 66 points on offense isn't going to win many B1G Ten games.

worth noting there were 66 possessions...this (current) team needs to be 10-15 points above par here, but past teams this offense was enough

 

[winfield102]

I do.

We're screwed if that happens. A properly coached team would allow Dylan to make the right pass without having to worry about not getting enough shots.
I want Dylan taking 16-20 shots a game.

 

[bac2therac]

We're screwed if that happens. A properly coached team would allow Dylan to make the right pass without having to worry about not getting enough shots.
I want Dylan taking 16-20 shots a game.

Harper had taken 20, 19, 22, and 18 in his previous 4 games. Yesterday just 13 and he only went to the line 3 times. Has to take more shot and has to take more shots in first halves. This team is simply not good enough to let others chip and lean on Dylan in the 2nd half. For better or worse, Pike has to get Dylan leading the team early. I know RU was tied with Bama and only down 1 vs ND but it seems like this team is need of a FAST start...they were even losing to St Peters at halftime. Now yesterday RU got off to a hot start without relying on Harper and JD hit 2 wing 3s but the defense was so atrocious it didnt matter and RU simply cannot sustain their offense....very prone in every game to scoring droughts.

 

[FIJI'83]

This is the dumbest shit ever. Pikiell’s record in close games as been fine. Slowing the game down when you are up 10 points with a few minutes left is not only a good strategy, it is the *only* strategy employed by non-idiots. That game was lost due to a catastrophic series of execution errors by the players.

That’s not my recollection and playing not to lose is not an acceptable strategy.

 

[fluoxetine]

That’s not my recollection and playing not to lose is not an acceptable strategy.

“Not losing” is winning. This is tripe parroted by the simple minded.

 

[winfield102]

So do we need him to attempt a shot on about 30-35% of possessions? I'm fine with that.

I think the bigger issue is Ace. I don't think we're helping him get going. He's taking too many "end of shot clock" type shots early in the shot clock. I hate the looks that he's getting. Credit to him as he's making some of them.

I'm frustrated with Pike because I see better offensive awareness at the YMCA on the weekend. When there's a 3-game wait if you lose, it's amazing how most of the players on the court instinctually know who to get the ball to and where to get them the ball. They don't want to have to wait 30+ minutes to get back on the court. The teams that aren't smart always lose.

 

[FIJI'83]

“Not losing” is winning. This is tripe parroted by the simple minded.

You have always been a toxic presence on Rivals. So go **** off keyboard warrior.

 

[bac2therac]

So do we need him to attempt a shot on about 30-35% of possessions? I'm fine with that.

I think the bigger issue is Ace. I don't think we're helping him get going. He's taking too many "end of shot clock" type shots early in the shot clock. I hate the looks that he's getting. Credit to him as he's making some of them.

I'm frustrated with Pike because I see better offensive awareness at the YMCA on the weekend. When there's a 3-game wait if you lose, it's amazing how most of the players on the court instinctually know who to get the ball to and where to get them the ball. They don't want to have to wait 30+ minutes to get back on the court. The teams that aren't smart always lose.

agree...there is no reason that Aces shots are largely high degree of difficulty especially with Dylan getting double teamed

Pike EARN your salary Pat gave you.

 

[winfield102]

I'm curious what makes Bailey a lottery pick. He doesn't seem to be able to get to the hole off the dribble, isn't shooting 3's, has a TON of his mid range shots outside of 18 ft). He's shooting the worst shot in basketball on a regular basis.

Simpson and Baker had a lot of mid range 2 attempts, but they seemed to be able to get to the 14-16 foot range more often (especially Simpson).

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I'm curious what makes Bailey a lottery pick. He doesn't seem to be able to get to the hole off the dribble, isn't shooting 3's, has a TON of his mid range shots outside of 18 ft). He's shooting the worst shot in basketball on a regular basis.

Simpson and Baker had a lot of mid range 2 attempts, but they seemed to be able to get to the 14-16 foot range more often (especially Simpson).

Bailey is tall and athletic, but skinny ... it makes people believe that with just moderate weight training he could put on 40 lbs of muscle and become Shawn Kemp ... or 60 lbs of muscle and have a game like Karl Malone.

EDIT: But I basically agree. He doesn't look explosive at all. I really did think he was going to be Shawn Kemp or Dominique Wilkins; he isn't. He hasn't shown the ability to go to the basket and draw fouls at all. Amazingly, Harper has (which I didn't expect at all).

 

[RUJMM78]

Not surprising.
Does it appear that the staff has defined the offensive role for any of the players, what they want/need or don't want/need from them?

It looks like only a few players understand, on their own, what they should be doing/ not doing offensively.

Same goes for defense where players seem not knowing if they are to play man or zone defense resulting in too many uncontested layups.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

I'm curious what makes Bailey a lottery pick. He doesn't seem to be able to get to the hole off the dribble, isn't shooting 3's, has a TON of his mid range shots outside of 18 ft). He's shooting the worst shot in basketball on a regular basis.

Simpson and Baker had a lot of mid range 2 attempts, but they seemed to be able to get to the 14-16 foot range more often (especially Simpson).

Because in the NBA they coach offense and take advantage of a players strengths. They will get him much easier shots than he takes with us.