I know Rutgers will always be the butt of jokes when it comes to mean coaches, but do you think the Mike Rice stigma still affects recruiting at all? Or do you think Eddie's helped us move past that stage of embarrassment?
Has the Mike Rice thing died off?
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Rutgers recruiting was subpar prior to Rice and remains the same today.There is a total disconnect between Rutgers and recruits that could make the program successful in a power conference.Right now Rutgers might not even have a winning record in the MAAC.
I think this is a pretty bold statement. I am certain the amount of negative recruiting against was ramped up after the scandal. If I was a rival recruiter I would hammer Rutgers on this issue.
Yeah, I'd have to side with Choppin here. That said, I do think that the "rice effect" is now over (or is it "rice affect" ?)
Jordan is ending the aftermath of the Rice fiasco, but it is still part of any negative recruiting effort against RU when a school and RU are after the same player...
It's just not a big part of negative recruiting anymore and just something the recruiter throws out to see if it sticks.
Don't think Bannon's naked free throws weren't in there along with Coach Dodge-ball practice habits ,
to show how Rutgers treated its players in the past and Rice-ball was just a newer version of the Bannon-Throw.
When the negative recruiter has something to use from the past, it will be used .
It's just not a big part of negative recruiting anymore and just something the recruiter throws out to see if it sticks.
Don't think Bannon's naked free throws weren't in there along with Coach Dodge-ball practice habits ,
to show how Rutgers treated its players in the past and Rice-ball was just a newer version of the Bannon-Throw.
When the negative recruiter has something to use from the past, it will be used .
Rutgers had no stain before Rice and they still do not have it. Until there is visible investment on infrastructure and a new energetic dynamic coach is hired its not going to change
I might suspect if there was an effect we would hear about it in the press from the recruits. Funny thing is we don't. You know something, we don't hear of football players not going to PSU either because of Sandusky.
lets not overthink things. Bac outlines the reason for our recruiting issues. It's not Rice.
I feel bad for BAC and a guy who fawns over Farmer Inman and Griffin. Although those guys did get a raw deal when FH let Rosario, Morris, and Jackson get away with failing drug tests but burned FIG. I guess that is neither here nor there.
Everyone knows your views, how many times can they be repeated? The fact is if you keep scope, and recognize where we all knew this program was immediately after the Rice scandal, EJ is doing about as well as we could've hoped thus far. Getting a class as decent as this was a long shot. Years 3-5 are the seasons where actuall progression is possible for this program under EJ. Fans who can't see this are simply just too emotionally damaged from the pass decade of Rutgers basketball to believe patience and a plan could bring light at the end of the tunnel.
This post was edited on 4/11 10:57 AM by RUsojo
Everyone knows your views, how many times can they be repeated? The fact is if you keep scope, and recognize where we all knew this program was immediately after the Rice scandal, EJ is doing about as well as we could've hoped thus far. Getting a class as decent as this was a long shot. Years 3-5 are the seasons where actuall progression is possible for this program under EJ. Fans who can't see this are simply just too emotionally damaged from the pass decade of Rutgers basketball to believe patience and a plan could bring light at the end of the tunnel.
This post was edited on 4/11 10:57 AM by RUsojo
Based on the reviews of Eddie and expectations of some board members it appears that the Rice stigma has passed.
Baylor had 1 player murder another player on the team. I think they were back in the tournament in 3 years.
Van Macon is still recruiting and coaching at Rutgers so I would say it does not make a difference
Macon knew what was going on and I'm still perplexed why he is still on the staff. Of course the stigma is still there. he's sitting on the bench.
were there any victims...I guess Kone that's it, Biruta was gone. Everyone else left liked Mike Rice especially Mack and Jack..Judge as well. The victims may have been Mack and others who were hounded by the blood thirsty media who took their coach and AD away. Before that no one was bringing charges and Rice had apparently changed after TP was informed over the summer. Not defending Rice here but this was not a program where practices were filled with abuse
The narrative created by the national press was much different than the story that RU fans and the NJ press know...the latter of which didn't even raise an eyebrow at Rice practices and the whole thing was basically a non story for them
The narrative created by the national press was much different than the story that RU fans and the NJ press know...the latter of which didn't even raise an eyebrow at Rice practices and the whole thing was basically a non story for them
What was shown to the public was bad, but that was not what was happening in practice all the time, just a very little portion of it.
But it's the aftermath of the media feeding frenzy and the insults ( Biruta was driven away and Kone didn't deserve it ) that must be looked at on why Rice made Rutgers look like a rouge program to many and made Dane Miller play below his capabilities.
There were victims that didn't like the way they were treated by Rice before Tim took care of the way MR acted at times towards his players.
Personally I think the changed Rice was the one his players liked, the old ass was the one that cost RU players and respect.
The changed Rice was the one Judge and the others supported, the old Mike Rice was the reason Carter and others were allowed to transfer.
I don't dislike Mike Rice, but hate what his actions did to RU and some of the RU players.
The dodge ball was bad enough, but there is no excuse whatsoever for MR's insults and treatment of Gil and Malick.
I feel Rice made victims of them and others, but ( my guess) he was a likable person away from the game around the players and that's why many on the team defended him..
Blame Rice not the press for the coverage, his actions made it newsworthy, even if it was only a few times.
There battered women stick up for their man and thionk they were the cause, the might be said about Rice towards his players, but don't think anyone likes to see abuse of a woman whitewashed , Rice's abuse to some of his players, infrequent as they may have been, shouldn't be rationalized by anyone to make it look like the media made it bigger then it was.
It happened and that's that.
