We need to put things in perspective right now. Currently we are not a team that is going to beat the top teams in our division (OSU, Mich,MSU) it's just not gonna happen right now we may play them close MSU this year and beat mich when they were down last year. We need to focus on the middle of the pack teams in our conference and the lower level teams. So far we are 1-1 vs such teams. Many say we shouldn't be happy with a 6-6 or 7-5 record and that's true we should all want more but we have to realize that is our high water mark with KF at head coach. If he can get us to 6-6 or 7-5 for however much longer he is here that can help us down the road when we higher our next head coach. I was a big KF supporter but he has lost me over the past 2 months. I would love to see the coach from coastal Carolina be our next head coach. But until we get our next head coach we need to set the bar at 6-6 or 7-5. I'm not happy about that but watching KF coach these past 2 seasons and seeing how in over his head he actually is in the B1G that is a realistic expectation of success.
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I will support flood until he isn't our coach anymore. I just don't see him as a long term solution and many are starting to see he is not the answer long term. I'm just saying we need to lower our expectations with him as head coach and 6-6 or 7-5 is the absolute best case scenario with him as coach. That's all I'm saying. Maybe you should actually read people's posts before you reply to them boss.Oh, good, another "Get Rid of Kyle Flood" thread. How ORIGINAL!
you want a 66 year old guy as your head coach? YOu think a guy who makes 1$ a year is gonna move to the northeast and deal with this crap and cold weather? Guy coaches bc he loves football, it's like a hobby. He don't need this crap or the riggors of the B1G
Oh, good, another "Get Rid of Kyle Flood" thread. How ORIGINAL!
But you have to admit, putting things in perspective with a lack of perspective is a nice touch.
The perspective is with KF as head coach we will win 6 or 7 regular season games a year. Little reading comprehension problem I see.
We also need money to fire them if things go south. In all honesty we need to burn through coaches until one emerges that can take us to the next level and then once you get that guy give him so much that he cannot afford to leave. Everything else in the AD will take care of itself if you find that guy.
If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
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And we'll settle for nothing later
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
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I just want to make sure we have all the reasons why the pro-Flood crowd thinks no one besides Flood will ever coach here:
- Too cold
- Taxes too high
- "Crap"
- Long restroom lines
- Most people don't like the color red
- Julie
- The fans
- The budget
- Wives will need figure out how to pronounce Piscataway
- NJ won't let you pump your own gas
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I feel Iike I have to explain this post again. This is not a fire flood thread like some of you idiots think it is. I was simply saying that we need to be realistic with our expectations with flood as head coach. We aren't beating the top teams with him it's not gonna happen (atleast in the east) I do think we can beat Wisconsin or Nebraska but we need to play a near perfect game. With KF 6 or 7 regular season wins is the high water mark. As far as the coastal coach goes age is not a concern for me. Bill Schneider has won many games these past 8 seasons. Last time i checked age doesn't determine how good of a coach you are. You can't deny that he took coastal from one of the worst fcs programs to the no.1 team in the country. He can coach that is why I believe he would be a good hire. Flood is our coach now so I will support him and the program but these past 2 months have been a shit storm I really wanted flood to bring us to a higher level because he seems like a stand up guy but I'm losing faith by the minute that he can do the job.
For those condemning the OP, what exactly are we supposed to discuss on this board?
We are 3-4, our best win is a team with 0 B1G wins who we beat by 3, we are worst or near worst in nearly every defensive candidate, had 6 players arrested, and our coach was suspended 3 games for academic fraud.
So what shall we talk about? Dumpster fire, or OT threads? I'm down with either, but stop attacking people for pointing out reality.
That 5% of our fans want to pretend everything is fine doesn't change the fact that a once proud program is an on and off the field total embarrassment.
We are 3-4, our best win is a team with 0 B1G wins who we beat by 3, we are worst or near worst in nearly every defensive candidate, had 6 players arrested, and our coach was suspended 3 games for academic fraud.
So what shall we talk about? Dumpster fire, or OT threads? I'm down with either, but stop attacking people for pointing out reality.
That 5% of our fans want to pretend everything is fine doesn't change the fact that a once proud program is an on and off the field total embarrassment.
can you guys stop with the pro Flood crap. There is one maybe two guys on this board who think he walks on water. There are far more who think he can't do anything right. A majority simply think he should be judged on wins and losses. That being said, your post is stupid. My guess is you know nothing about the candidate in question, his circumstances, or why he coaches.
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All of the top FCS schools. You know it's funny when Meyer was at Bowling Green do you really think Utah fans were concerned with who he was recruiting against? No they were looking at results on the field. If you want to talk recruiting he would do just as good as flood is doing if not better. I bet he would be able to get atleast 1 top 10 recruit from NJ something flood has proved to be allergic too. Oh yeah and Florida just highered the coach from Colorado state. You think they were concerned with who he was recruiting against???
Wins and losses? OK. 4 wins against winning teams in 4 years. 6 arrests.
And yeah, most people want him fired, but we are criticized by the same handful with false arguments and accusations, told to go root elsewhere, just for pointing out wins and losses.
The idea that RU is not a good job is BS. You and others are grabbing at excuses- now the weather? Really? My other favorite is high taxes. Sonny Dykes left Louisiana for the Bay Area to a coach school with success comparable to ours with even higher academic standards, taxes, COL, and comparatively colder weather.
Flood is destroying the program. Aside from Terry Shea, Greg Robinison, and a few others, I am more than ready to embrace any new HC because you'd be hard pressed to find a coach with more arrests than wins against winning teams.
And did all of those top FSC schools have a 50+ year history of coming in and scooping up local talent Coastal Carolina might otherwise get? Ohio State has been doing it since at least Jack Tatum back in '67. Notre Dame probably since Knute Rockne. Penn State since at least Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell. Apples and oranges my friend.
While weather is a de minimus issue, saying the Bay Area is disadvantaged due to comparatively colder weather is hilarious. The only time the Bay Area is cooler is in the summer, when it would be a selling point.
I meant compared to Louisiana where he was before, to demonstrate, weather is not a real concern.
These days, every conference is in cold weather states. Colorado, WVU & ISU, Mizzou, nevermind the B1G and ACC.
News flash high school kids don't give a crap about history. They care about a coach that can get them the next level. Look at Baylor, TCU, Oregon,and Utah. All these coaches have been successful the past 5 years with little history. It's about the coach not the history.
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what do all those programs have in common? They had or have a good head coach who sells his program. Is not about history. Urban Meyer could coach any school in the country and lead them to a national title. I guarantee if Meyer took over Rutgers tomorrow within 3 years we would win a championship. It's about the coach and how he sells the program.
You really do get something in your head and run with it regardless of facts. It's quite impressive actually. Where have I ever said RU is a bad job? Where did I make excuses? You don't think it's legitimate to bring up weather regarding a 66 year old coach who only coaches for fun? The guy is a billionaire, he doesn't need to freeze his ass off or put up with NJ, or the rigors of being a P5 coach. It's his hobby. I'm also on of the people posting about legitimate targets If a change Is made. Commenting on candidates who have contacted RU and vice Versa. You should actually read people's posts before lumping them together
That's a guarantee I'd love to wager on.
BTW - Those programs also have administrations and media that support the program. And in Notre Dame's case worship the program. On top of that they have alumni that provide a lot more financial support, again with Notre Dame in a different world.
Part 2: I may be a little slow, but I think you are saying our program is a mess right now?
Thats only part of the answer though. OSU, PSU, and Michigan all paid up big to get relatively proven commodities. Maryland hasnt yet, and well see what actually shakes out. We arent in the position to pay $5 million for a coach. But we are in position to pay $2.5 million for a coach (which gets you a Rich Rod type post-Michigan or a Mike Riley going from OSU to Nebraska) who might be a $5 million coach one day and thats really the only realistic course we can take.
Plenty of old people live in cold weather climates..
Plenty of coaches, who are already rich, leave jobs.
You have been a consistent Flood defender have you not? Are you now admitting he is total failure and needs to be replaced?
Have you been on vacation for the last few weeks? I have said for months I wasn't defending Flood but the idea we would get some home run hire and start beating beating OSU and winning Rose Bowls in year 3. To me there was no reason to make a change based on stating bowl eligible and Floods reputation as a man of integrity. I have argued if you are going to end up winning 6,7,or 8 games a year you might as well do it cheaply. I felt and still feel that pre "scandal" Flood Would do that for you. Ever since the RU report was released, I have said the school would be justified in firing Flood. However, I've continued to argue the same people will be bitching in 3 years because the results will be similar. Here's how I see this playing out if/when Flood gets fired.
Assuming Schiano get Miami job
We hire Al Golden.. He recruits better and continues to take us to bowls and since he is taking us to bowls we
re up him in year 3. 6 years from now the on the field results are similar and the only tangible difference is we have to pay Golden an extra million plus a year more than we pay Flood.
If Schiano doesn't get the Miami job we hire him. He recruits better we win a similar number of games, he gets
re upped and the only difference is RU spends even more money.
End of the day the question becomes is 6,7 or 8 wins worth 1.5, 2.5, or 3.5 million a year depending on your coaches name?
This is just ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea how any replacement would do. Jim Mora is kicking butt at UCLA and their fans didn't want him. Aside from a Saban or Meyer, as Rich Rod evidences, most coaches are a crapshoot.
OTOH, we know Flood is not winning 8 games every year. Not to mention he commited academic fraud and had 6 arrests.
If you want to talk unknown commodities, fine but instead you're overplaying Flood and making guesses about replacements.
Just to be clear you know Flood can't win 8 games but me looking at Schiano and Golden's body of work is a guess? I thought you are what your record says you are? Finally, I can assure you these aren't "guess". There has been significant contact with those parties, unlike you I actually know things and don't make stuff up just to argue with people. Schiano is getting a college job and has already started forming a staff. A staff that has already been reaching out to HS coaches. The question is will it be at Miami or someplace more north?
So you're saying Schiano/Golden are the only 2 options? Really, not even a spread guy anywhere in sight?
Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I know for a fact those two would be candidates and they have both contacted RU.
Whew, I know some here like Schiano and some still like Golden despite Miami but neither are high on my list. I so badly want someone who will bring some type of spread offense here with just some semblance of a defense.
