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Here's what a 12 team CFB Playoff would look like today....

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Here’s a quick 12-team playoff format refresher: The top four seeds will be given to the top four conference champions. The final eight teams in the field will include the fifth Power 5 conference champion and the highest-ranked Group of 5 champion, along with six at-large teams.

 
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I’ve been seeing the hypothetical 12 team playoff matchups since the first CFP came out and always see plenty of potential fun ones.

Also more talk lately for the 2nd round being at home stadiums of the top 4 seeds. So first two rounds would be at campus sites. Conference champ games would have a lot riding on them….bye and home field. I don’t know if they will put the second round at the home fields as soon as they end up expanding to 12 but it seems like something that will happen sooner or later. I’ve seen quite a few ADs and commissioners who like the idea.
 
Why is Michigan a 5 seed?? This makes zero sense. Are they assuming loses and wins by all the teams?
 
Why is Michigan a 5 seed?? This makes zero sense. Are they assuming loses and wins by all the teams?

Because a dumb rule that top 4 seeds are reserved for conference champions only.

ND or BYU could literally be 12-0 but excluded from a top 4 seed.
 
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Just for reference, UCF (8-2, 5-1 AAC) is currently ranked........sorry have to scroll far down.....#20 overall.

Looks like a playoff team to me.
March Madness has a terrible format.
CFP - hold my beer!!
 
Because a dumb rule that top 4 seeds are reserved for conference champions only.
I don't follow the NFL now so I don't know if anything has changed but when I did follow, the division winners got byes and home field in games even if they may have had worse records than a team who didn't win their division.
 
Just for reference, UCF (8-2, 5-1 AAC) is currently ranked........sorry have to scroll far down.....#20 overall.

Looks like a playoff team to me.
March Madness has a terrible format.
CFP - hold my beer!!
NCAA tourney has plenty of opportunity for teams down the totem pole, CFB doesn't so it's fine IMO. It's one of the few opportunities for a team to raise themselves up on the CFB landscape. Gonzaga at one time was just a tourney upstart but now after making it often enough they've built themselves up to a legitimate team on the national landscape. Why not allow for the same opportunity for similar type teams in CFB. It's good for the sport.
 
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That is dumb. So is this projection with two regular season games to go with big rivalry games plus conference championships.
They're not projecting any of the upcoming games. They're just taking the rankings as they are currently and seeding with the assumption that the highest ranked team for a particular conference as the conference champ of that conference and working down from there.
 
The brackets are all screwed up. Seeds are not aligned right. Wrestling and basketball do it completely different.
 
Here’s a quick 12-team playoff format refresher: The top four seeds will be given to the top four conference champions. The final eight teams in the field will include the fifth Power 5 conference champion and the highest-ranked Group of 5 champion, along with six at-large teams.

Bunch of pointless crappy games. Stick with the 4-team CFP.
 
I'd like to see a hard limit of no more than 3 for a single conference. Go to 16 with no byes if you want 4. And I'd allow the top seeds to choose their slots.. forget the fake ranking/RPI or whatever system they have.

Like if the number 5 team would rather line up to play someone other than the number 4 who gets a bye.. they should be able to pick their slot.

I do like The Athletic's thing that means only one of Georgia, Bama and Clemson can emerge into eh final 4.
 
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They're not projecting any of the upcoming games. They're just taking the rankings as they are currently and seeding with the assumption that the highest ranked team for a particular conference as the conference champ of that conference and working down from there.
Which means this projection is pointless. Too many big games to play.
 
I'd like to see a hard limit of no more than 3 for a single conference. Go to 16 with no byes if you want 4. And I'd allow the top seeds to choose their slots.. forget the fake ranking/RPI or whatever system they have.

Like if the number 5 team would rather line up to play someone other than the number 4 who gets a bye.. they should be able to pick their slot.

I do like The Athletic's thing that means only one of Georgia, Bama and Clemson can emerge into eh final 4.
Well the Athletic’s seedings are coming out that way just because that’s the way the rankings fall not because they’re trying to eliminate the SEC or Clemson.

I like 16 and I think eventually we’ll end up there but it is what it is for now and I like seeing more opportunity for teams.
 
Well the weekly CFP ranking is pointless too until the final rankings. Don’t take it so serious, it’s just for fun and conversation and seeing potential kinds of matchups
My point is many of these matchups won't occur. It's a fantasy. I highly doubt nearly all will make it.
 
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On a related note, looks like they’ve figured out the revenue distribution for ‘24 and ‘25. One step closer to getting issues resolved in time for those years.

 
Definitely will change and some might not make it that are there now.
That said, it will be an exciting 3 weeks. USC/UCLA this weekend. OSU/Michigan next week. And it's funny that there are Rutgers fans that complain about the Rutgers OOC schedule. To those idiots look at who in the SEC teams are playing this weekend. Look at Alabama, look at LSU opponents this weekend.
 
That said, it will be an exciting 3 weeks. USC/UCLA this weekend. OSU/Michigan next week. And it's funny that there are Rutgers fans that complain about the Rutgers OOC schedule. To those idiots look at who in the SEC teams are playing this weekend. Look at Alabama, look at LSU opponents this weekend.
Yea it’s like a bye week in the SEC this weekend lol.

But you know Michigan might wish they didn’t cancel that UCLA game they had scheduled for this year and replacing it for Hawaii. It depends on how things play out these last couple weeks to see if the weak OOC makes a difference. Win out and they’re fine but lose and it might dent any narrow hopes they have for squeezing in.
 
On a related note, looks like they’ve figured out the revenue distribution for ‘24 and ‘25. One step closer to getting issues resolved in time for those years.

Has Ross ever got anything correct??
Yea it’s like a bye week in the SEC this weekend lol.

But you know Michigan might wish they didn’t cancel that UCLA game they had scheduled for this year and replacing it for Hawaii. It depends on how things play out these last couple weeks to see if the weak OOC makes a difference. Win out and they’re fine but lose and it might dent any narrow hopes they have for squeezing in.
Michigan is in. They won't fall far if they lose to OSU. Pac12 gets 1 team, ACC 1 team.
 
I'd like to see a hard limit of no more than 3 for a single conference. Go to 16 with no byes if you want 4. And I'd allow the top seeds to choose their slots.. forget the fake ranking/RPI or whatever system they have.

Like if the number 5 team would rather line up to play someone other than the number 4 who gets a bye.. they should be able to pick their slot.

I do like The Athletic's thing that means only one of Georgia, Bama and Clemson can emerge into eh final 4.
How can you institute a hard cap of 3 and take 16? Your obviously using inferior teams and skipping over higher ranked teams just because the conference already might have 3. You don’t think that’s stupid? Never happening sir
 
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Has Ross ever got anything correct??

Michigan is in. They won't fall far if they lose to OSU. Pac12 gets 1 team, ACC 1 team.
What’s has Ross gotten wrong? It’s being reported by Auerbach that they’ve reached an agreement for 2024 and 2025. It won’t be a fixed amount per conference like it is now. Instead it will be a fixed distribution on a per team basis. So say for example of it was 10M/team the PAC would get 100M and the B10 would get 160M…and so on for the other conferences.

In 2026 and beyond, they again will have to come up with a new revenue distribution model. It’s expected to be possibly something similar to the NCAA tourney credits and distribution but it’s still up in the air for 2026 and beyond.


Your scenario above would include 5 teams not 4. OSU, PAC12, ACC and 1 loss Michigan you said but you forgot about the SEC.

If you assume it’s the SEC, B10 champ and then only 1 spot taken by either USC, ACC or B12, that leaves 1 spot for either possibly Michigan or Tenn. I think there’s a good chance Tenn would get in over Michigan with their wins against LSU on the road and Alabama. Michigan would have a win against PSU and it was at home. That’s why I say a potential UCLA OOC matchup instead of Hawaii would’ve helped them if they lose the OSU game.
 
Only thing I’d change is to re-rank a bit to avoid conference matchups until the semis.
 
And with all this- Bama is trying to see how they fit in with 2 loses already in the 4 team playoff. lol This may be a hard one for Bama and SEC to figure out.
 
And with all this- Bama is trying to see how they fit in with 2 loses already in the 4 team playoff. lol This may be a hard one for Bama and SEC to figure out.
You know people still think LSU can get in with two losses if they win the SEC champ game. They’d have wins over Alabama and UGA in that scenario. I still don’t see it and it would be precedent setting for a 2 loss team in a 4 team playoff but it’s out there.
 
Dumb rule. Extremely stupid
I disagree. The only exception should be independent teams. Why should the runner up SEC pass up a p5 champion. Would you feel the same if Rutgers went 12-1 and won the B1G but got passed up by an 11-1 Tennessee? On top of that it also makes the conference championship meaningful. For example Georgia may want to rest starters for the championship game knowing they would be at worse the 4 seed even if the lost.
 
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How can you institute a hard cap of 3 and take 16? Your obviously using inferior teams and skipping over higher ranked teams just because the conference already might have 3. You don’t think that’s stupid? Never happening sir

1. I agree a cap is dumb. And you said, your skipping over higher ranked teams.

2. Sadly this is going to happen. See UCF being in a 12 team CFP despite being ranked #20.
 
I disagree. The only exception should be independent teams. Why should the runner up SEC pass up a p5 champion. Would you feel the same if Rutgers went 12-1 and won the B1G but got passed up by an 11-1 Tennessee? On top of that it also makes the conference championship meaningful. For example Georgia may want to rest starters for the championship game knowing they would be at worse the 4 seed even if the lost.

It’s a dumb rule because its not evenly applied.

If winning a conference champ is so important and should trump everything else then make the top 6 seeds only applicable to conference champs.
Why stop at 4?
Make #20 UCF the 6th seed.

(If winning a conference champ is actually so important than ALL conference champs wild be AQ for the CFP but that’s heresey.)
 
Bunch of pointless crappy games. Stick with the 4-team CFP.
You rather see Michigan and USC is a meaningless rose bowl game or Alabama and Clemson in the orange bowl in half empty stadiums where half the starters opt out because the game is meaningless?

I don’t see how anyone could prefer that over some of these games. I look forward to seeing a Georgia having to travel to a Ohio State in December.
 
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What’s has Ross gotten wrong? It’s being reported by Auerbach that they’ve reached an agreement for 2024 and 2025. It won’t be a fixed amount per conference like it is now. Instead it will be a fixed distribution on a per team basis. So say for example of it was 10M/team the PAC would get 100M and the B10 would get 160M…and so on for the other conferences.

In 2026 and beyond, they again will have to come up with a new revenue distribution model. It’s expected to be possibly something similar to the NCAA tourney credits and distribution but it’s still up in the air for 2026 and beyond.


Your scenario above would include 5 teams not 4. OSU, PAC12, ACC and 1 loss Michigan you said but you forgot about the SEC.

If you assume it’s the SEC, B10 champ and then only 1 spot taken by either USC, ACC or B12, that leaves 1 spot for either possibly Michigan or Tenn. I think there’s a good chance Tenn would get in over Michigan with their wins against LSU on the road and Alabama. Michigan would have a win against PSU and it was at home. That’s why I say a potential UCLA OOC matchup instead of Hawaii would’ve helped them if they lose the OSU game.
Ross previously said about two years ago that 16 team was going to happen. He then changed it to 12 and said that it was a done deal and would start in 2023.

I didn't forget about the SEC. The above scenario has 4 SEC teams in. I'm pretty sure the SEC isn't ever going to be limited to just 1 team
I'll worry about a 12-1 Rutgers team when it happens.
The above teams and scenarios are about as accurate as the bowl projections in September.
 
I like reserving the byes to champions over runner ups, but would allow an independent to earn one too. It is similar to NFL and MLB where division winners get home field advantage over wild card teams with better records.

I also like seeing games on campus to start the playoffs.

No issue with reserving a spot for a G5 champion.

But this will kill some of the bowl appeal, not restore it.
 
Ross previously said about two years ago that 16 team was going to happen. He then changed it to 12 and said that it was a done deal and would start in 2023.

I didn't forget about the SEC. The above scenario has 4 SEC teams in. I'm pretty sure the SEC isn't ever going to be limited to just 1 team
I'll worry about a 12-1 Rutgers team when it happens.
The above teams and scenarios are about as accurate as the bowl projections in September.
I follow many of these reporters for news but I didn't see anything definitive from anyone that it was going to start at 16. The most I saw was 16 is gaining steam but didn't mean for sure it was going to happen and still other alternatives like 8 or 12 as possible. Same for playoff expansion. I saw most thinking it would expand easily but then Texas/OU to the SEC happened and that fouled things up for a bit but no one ever said guaranteed 2023 or any year for that matter. Regardless, it doesn't matter. If you don't like the source, don't read it.

As to the forgetting about the SEC, that's not related to a 12 team playoff or us being 12-1 etc..You're referring to another poster in a different reply to you. It's not the conversation between us.

This is your reply to me I was responding to:

"Michigan is in. They won't fall far if they lose to OSU. Pac12 gets 1 team, ACC 1 team."



We were talking about Michigan's weak OOC this year (4 team playoff) and how I mentioned cancelling the UCLA game this year might hurt Michigan in the case that they lose to OSU. You said Michigan is in they won't fall far if they lose to OSU. So that means OSU and Michigan both get into this year's 4 team playoff by that statement. You also said 1 PAC12 and 1 ACC teams gets in. So that's 4 teams right there but it leaves out the SEC which is why I said you forgot the SEC.

Then I gave a possible scenario where Michigan has a chance to get in with a loss. It doesn't mean it's going to happen or is any sort of prediction of what will happen. 1 team is from the SEC. 1 team is OSU. 1 team is either USC/ACC/B12 to leave 1 spot open for a Michigan or Tenn. In that potential scenario I think Tenn will have the edge because Michigan's best win will be at home against PSU and Tenn's wins will be on the road at LSU and a win against Alabama.
 
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