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See, I would interpret the facts a little differently. Danny thought Rutgers was desperate and tried to use more leverage than he had. Hobbs (appropriately) walked away.
A year later, largely because of football and conference situations, UConn was desperate. And Danny was able to use that desperation to leverage a deal that was above his typical market worth.
Nothing wrong with doing that, just who he is.
Lmao you guys are impossible.
Danny turned down pitt and Memphis (iirc) who also offered similar deals.
I'm not impossible. I just don't like Dan Hurley.
Would like to know one thing I’ve made up out of thin air before, according to you.
your history of baised/ slanted posting is well established. I dont save your posts for future reference. I'll refer to your lies in this thread.....
you comparing the money he got at UConn to the situation with RU is more revisionist history ("You said he was bending RU over financially. He wasn’t. It’s proven by what he got in the market"
firstly, it wasnt 1 year later it was 2 years. When RU was dealing with him it was off a very mediocre 17-15 record.
he then proceeded to put together two consecutive 25 win seasons which included a conf. championship, two NCAA appearances and two NCAA wins. needless-to-say the market for Hurley was much hotter in the two years after his dealings with RU.
apples-to-oranges to say the least.
but dont let facts get in the way.
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True it was two years not one I got that wrong.
He talked to Rutgers after his 4th season iirc at Rhode Island but had already taken them from bottom of the conference (second bottom maybe) to 2nd in the conference and 23 win season by year 3. He wasn’t unproven.
He was still a hot commodity and on his way to stardom. Let’s remember the market for a successful A10 coach was HOT at this time as same Shaka Smart just cashed in on a monster deal after finishing below Hurley (longer resume obviously no argument here) and Archie Miller and Will Wade (VCU again) cashed in a year later and then Hurley followed.
Shaka got the 7 years I think (might’ve been 6) almost $3M.
Wade got 6 years $2.5M after two seasons.
Archie Miller got 8 years $3.3M
Big difference OBVIOUSLY was he hadn’t got to the tournament yet (bubble 2015 iirc) but projected to breakthrough. Splitting hairs but certainly a big deal when it comes to contract negotiations:
When Rutgers hired Pike I think he got 5 years and near $1.5M.
When it comes to not liking the Hurley deal, it wasn’t that Hurley was asking for too much, it Rutgers was not willing to commit to big spending at that time. Nothing to do with Hurley asking for too much.
wow. seriously?
I distinctly remember when RU was dealing with Hurley. I distinctly remember that the prevailing attitude was that he was asking too much. that his resume AT THAT TIME was not really that impressive (and certainly not worthy of what he was asking for AT THAT TIME). Thus, as I stated previously, I also distinctly remember people not being surprised or upset that he was sent packing.
you trying to compare him (AT THAT TIME) to other coaches (Shaka and Archie) with much more impressive resumes AT THAT TIME is simply ridiculous and disingenuous, as is comparing Hurley's worth at the time RU was dealing with him to his worth 2 years later. apples-to-oranges all around.
we have all seen how a coach can blow up - Hurley did that in his 2 years AFTER his dealing with RU. you can't apply his worth then to a discussion about what happened with RU two years prior. I cant believe that I even need to explain this to you.
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Everything you’re saying equates to exactly what I said in the first post - Hobbs didn’t like the deal.
I am saying AT THAT TIME I don’t think he was asking for too much, given his resume and what P5 teams were paying/paid successful A10 coaches.
That was proven to be true imo. All these things are true yet you’re arguing something.
Guy had went near worst to first in a competitive A10 conference, had a preseason top 25 team, and a historically bad team 200+ in Kenpom and a mockery of the entire country, not just college basketball fans, wanted him but didn’t want to do a 7 yr $2M+ deal.
That’s not bending RU over. In reality he was willing to take the risk on RU for less money than he ultimately got.
I guess If you want to say that part of making a good deal is ignoring the marketplace trends than that’s another discussion that can be had. I feel like that’s what your actual point is?
To be accurate - he “ultimately got” what the market would bear AFTER his stock rose significantly after two great seasons (that occurred AFTER his talks with RU).
insane this needs to be explained. I’m out
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He bargained at what he believed his future value was. Legitimate to do, but it was not based on his actual accomplishments to date.
Gotta say, he has done very well. Well balanced.
I meant that you could basically shuffle the top 10 at this point since there will always be upsets and hiccups this early. But UCONN looks pretty legit as does Nova even though they will have to make up some ground.
Let’s not get carried away here, he took over a blue chip brand 5 years removed from a national championship and 3 years removed from making the tourney.
To me, he’ll always be the guy who didn’t have the confidence in himself to do in 7 years what Pike did in 4.
To me, he’ll always be the guy who didn’t have the confidence in himself to do in 7 years what Pike did in 4.
Do we really need more tongues on UConn. It's a Rutgers board
Agreed, he got in a shouting match with fans post-game last year after a loss - then yelled into the stands trying to challenge them again after the next win
he was ejected from their biggest win last year - 'Nova
he has some quotes out there about wishing he could treat players like football coaches do, pretty much calling his players soft
plus - gotta believe he pressures kids into transferring
And there’s literally already a goddamn thread on them
I don’t have much to add here, but I appreciate @MiloTalon13 ’s ability to like all the posts on both sides of a heated argument
It was a good game tonight. Having a thread on it is fine.
Dan Hurley quit coaching basketball in 2001, stating, "things weren’t going right at Rutgers."
He dropped down to the high school level, promptly turning St. Benedict's in Newark into a national powerhouse. Then, Dan returned to the college level at Wagner. Dan inherited a 5-26 team, going 13-17 in year one and 25-6 team.
Dan jumped to Rhode Island, not even the biggest basketball program in a tiny state. At Rhode Island, Dan got a 7-24 team and in his final two years there, went 25-10 and 26-8, winning NCAA games in both years. In fact, in a 365 day period, Dan won more NCAA games at Rhode Island than Steve Pikiell has won in 17 years as a Division I head coach.
At Connecticut, Dan inherited not only a losing team (14-18) but a program on probation. As of tonight, Dan-led UConn is 14-0.
To be sure, I am a big Steve Pikiell fan. He runs a super program. Everything is going right. Progression on the court, super program culture, great atmosphere in the RAC. And Steve snagged a 4* recruit from Connecticut to headline the 2023 class. Even got me to come out for a game at the RAC for the first time in years - and I travelled from out of state during a bomb cyclone.
But one cannot keep from wondering what could've been if Dan had stuck around Rutgers in 2001.
He dropped down to the high school level, promptly turning St. Benedict's in Newark into a national powerhouse. Then, Dan returned to the college level at Wagner. Dan inherited a 5-26 team, going 13-17 in year one and 25-6 team.
Dan jumped to Rhode Island, not even the biggest basketball program in a tiny state. At Rhode Island, Dan got a 7-24 team and in his final two years there, went 25-10 and 26-8, winning NCAA games in both years. In fact, in a 365 day period, Dan won more NCAA games at Rhode Island than Steve Pikiell has won in 17 years as a Division I head coach.
At Connecticut, Dan inherited not only a losing team (14-18) but a program on probation. As of tonight, Dan-led UConn is 14-0.
To be sure, I am a big Steve Pikiell fan. He runs a super program. Everything is going right. Progression on the court, super program culture, great atmosphere in the RAC. And Steve snagged a 4* recruit from Connecticut to headline the 2023 class. Even got me to come out for a game at the RAC for the first time in years - and I travelled from out of state during a bomb cyclone.
But one cannot keep from wondering what could've been if Dan had stuck around Rutgers in 2001.
Yes, let's make threads about Rutgers basketball's problems from 2001 👌
3 of the top 10 threads about UCONN is too much. Yes, Hurley is a good coach. Obsessing about it when we have our own good coach and program is small
Dan was a part of the mess here at Rutgers. Don't recall him being the voice for cleaning up after Bannon.
Now, in the what if categories, what if Bannon had not been so selfish and juvenile, what if Rice controlled his temper a bit more, and what if EJ had been able to muster his best coaching, to and what if we had secured Jay Wright are way ahead of wondering about having kept Dan Hurley.
I much prefer Pike.
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One reason Dan stuck around at Rhode Island, didn't return to Rutgers, then took the Connecticut job is family.
When Rutgers came calling, Dan's family had just bought a house in Rhode Island and his boys were attending a Rhode Island high school with a sports tradition, producing recent members of the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, and Rangers, along with the current Boston College head coach.
When Kevin Ollie was abruptly fired, Dan took the Connecticut job because he could commute to Storrs from his Rhode Island home. UConn got lucky, in a way. Earlier this year, an arbitrator ruled Kevin was wrongly terminated, and order UConn to pay Kevin $11 million within 10 days.
When Rutgers came calling, Dan's family had just bought a house in Rhode Island and his boys were attending a Rhode Island high school with a sports tradition, producing recent members of the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, and Rangers, along with the current Boston College head coach.
When Kevin Ollie was abruptly fired, Dan took the Connecticut job because he could commute to Storrs from his Rhode Island home. UConn got lucky, in a way. Earlier this year, an arbitrator ruled Kevin was wrongly terminated, and order UConn to pay Kevin $11 million within 10 days.
UConn doesn’t pass the eye test for me. I know they’ve won a lot of games and not close. But just the way they move around and the energy on the team except in certain situations … could see them out in the first round if they fall to a 3 or 4 seed (which they might not since the Big East is so weak)
LOL, this argument is almost as sad as the kindergarten-level insult in the thread title. UConn is 15-0 and doesn't care what a few jealous Rutgers fans think about them. We have a good team, no doubt, but are currently nowhere near the level of the University of Connecticut Huskies.
Cool your Jets! The last two years in the NCAA’s, UConn has been a putrid embarrassment.
Through 28 December 2022, Sagarin has #2 UConn and #15 Rutgers. I’d say we are in the neighborhood.
sagarin.usatoday.com
College basketball team ratings 2022-23 - Jeff Sagarin Ratings
They looked pretty good to me last night. A very good defensive team with a lot of depth. #3 who lit it up against Georgetown barely played last night. Hawkins has the type of outside shooting ability we have been longing for years on the banks. Clingan looks very good as a freshman and that's on top of Sanogo. They didn't miss a beat when #21 got two fouls.
I really don't care for Danny Hurley's sideline antics but he is a damn good coach. He has that team playing with confidence and an attitude, which I could do without, but that is college basketball these days.
I was just as interested in what was going on down the other end as Villanova transitions from Jay Wright. They played a competitive game, but I never got the sense they were UConn's equal. Might be a permanent change in the BE hierarchy. Seemed like a lot of dribble drives that went into the lane, but not to the basket, but rather look for a passing opportunity. I thought too much dribbling on offense. Dixon has come along and seems to be regularly shooting threes. Maybe a little too much. I think last night they were trying to pull the UConn bigs away from the basket to open opportunities for others cutting to the basket. Worked for awhile.
Armstrong starts but was not much of a factor. Patterson does not play much at all. They have enough pieces and the key for Neptune will be successfully integrating the likes of Armstrong and Whitmore with the returning core. I know they also have another starter (Moore?) coming back from an achilles injury soon. As usual not a very big team but lots of talent at guard and wing positions.
I really don't care for Danny Hurley's sideline antics but he is a damn good coach. He has that team playing with confidence and an attitude, which I could do without, but that is college basketball these days.
I was just as interested in what was going on down the other end as Villanova transitions from Jay Wright. They played a competitive game, but I never got the sense they were UConn's equal. Might be a permanent change in the BE hierarchy. Seemed like a lot of dribble drives that went into the lane, but not to the basket, but rather look for a passing opportunity. I thought too much dribbling on offense. Dixon has come along and seems to be regularly shooting threes. Maybe a little too much. I think last night they were trying to pull the UConn bigs away from the basket to open opportunities for others cutting to the basket. Worked for awhile.
Armstrong starts but was not much of a factor. Patterson does not play much at all. They have enough pieces and the key for Neptune will be successfully integrating the likes of Armstrong and Whitmore with the returning core. I know they also have another starter (Moore?) coming back from an achilles injury soon. As usual not a very big team but lots of talent at guard and wing positions.
As a SHU fan, I think that Pike is just as good a coach as D. Hurley, if not a better coach. Danny just has the good fortune of boosters paying NIL monies before it was "legal", which continues now that it is accepted protocol.
A lot of credit goes to the boosters and the Big East for allowing them back in.
A lot of credit goes to the boosters and the Big East for allowing them back in.
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