How long until we can compete

[Mothership83]

Hello all. I am new to the community and new to rivals. The site looks like it is updated on a regular basis so I am looking forward to using it. I'm sorry if these questions have been discussed recently but I'm wondering how long until we have a realistic chance at competing in the B1G for football? Also, as far as the remainder of the schedule, without looking through scarlet colored glasses, which games do we have the best shot at winning? Thanks guys...Looking forward to your response.

 

[RUwoz]

Welcome, you'll find we're a group of level-headed, rational, and kind adults who love to engage in open minded discussions about Rutgers footballing

 

[MadRU]

Compete with the lower and middle tier teams, we have and will. But to compete against the big teams, well, that's another topic.

 

[Mothership83]

Compete with the lower and middle tier teams, we have and will. But to compete against the big teams, well, that's another topic.

It seemed we were able to compete with Minny... What about Indy? I'm thinking with the bye, we have a chance at a W depending which Hoosiers show up.

 

[ron313]

Compete with the lower and middle tier teams, we have and will. But to compete against the big teams, well, that's another topic.

Correct

Against osu and Michigan, at least a couple years depending on recruiting. even this year we outgained mn and Illinois in yards, and iowa was a toss up. We'll compete with the rest of the group now.

 

[beaced]

Welcome, you'll find we're a group of level-headed, rational, and kind adults who love to engage in open minded discussions about Rutgers footballing

I hope that Motherships meter is working.

 

[brgRC90]

Welcome to Thunderdome!

 

[knightfan7]

Compete means different things to different people. RU competed against Iowa and Minnesota. Despite the score RU competed against Illinois even with 5 TO's. Rutgers didn't compete against Michigan and OSU.

So if by compete you mean consistently against the lower half of the B1G I'd say RU already does. If you mean consistently against the OSU's, Michigans, and Wisconsins of the world I'd say it's somewhere down the road. How far is impossible to say. Too much changes every year let alone 3,4,5 years away.

 

[MozRU]

39yrs old. Grew up in Jersey

In my teens I heard that RU had a team. Had seasons for 15yrs in my 20s and 30s. Then I had 3 kids, so that is over (can't drive down 7 times a year)

Compete in lower and middle of the B1G? Shortly under Ash.

Compete with big boys? I have resided to the fact, never. The big boys have 100yrs head start with alumni who live and die for their school, sick campuses, tradition, facilities that have an aura like no other, and money, big money (We just lost Taylor to Wiscon for those reasons, IMO). College expansion has made it MUCH HARDER to climb the mountain top - The haves are taking the have-nots lunch more so now (They take our TV money, recruits, etc... Its just not us. Look around, expansion has killed the lessors programs in the Power5).

 

[Mothership83]

39yrs old. Grew up in Jersey

In my teens I heard that RU had a team. Had seasons for 15yrs in my 20s and 30s. Then I had 3 kids, so that is over (can't drive down 7 times a year)

Compete in lower and middle of the B1G? Shortly under Ash.

Compete with big boys? I have resided to the fact, never. The big boys have 100yrs head start with alumni who live and die for their school, sick campuses, tradition, facilities that have an aura like no other, and money, big money (We just lost Taylor to Wiscon for those reasons, IMO). College expansion has made it MUCH HARDER to climb the mountain top - The haves are taking the have-nots lunch more so now (They take our TV money, recruits, etc... Its just not us. Look around, expansion has killed the lessors programs in the Power5).

That is an interesting take. I understand what you are saying but when I look around at the Baylors, Boise State's, TCU's and other schools who really have seemed to come on strong in the last decade, I say why not us? While NYC pro sports certainly seem to be the main focus, I just think if we are able to string together some success on the field, it will have to pay dividends. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

can't until we get better coaching

 

[MozRU]

That is an interesting take. I understand what you are saying but when I look around at the Baylors, Boise State's, TCU's and other schools who really have seemed to come on strong in the last decade, I say why not us? While NYC pro sports certainly seem to be the main focus, I just think if we are able to string together some success on the field, it will have to pay dividends. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

Those schools aren't competing against the Northern Puritan thinking - small and private. Ivy League, NESCAC, Nova, Georgetown, PC, BC, Holy Cross etc... So you just added another reason to what I listed above.

It would take some miracle run and win the National Championship - TWICE to break hand cuffs we are under. A final 4 in '77 didn't help our BBall program.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Three top 25 recruiting classes in a row and we will be going bowling in no time.

 

[Rutgers8086]

Those schools aren't competing against the Northern Puritan thinking - small and private. Ivy League, NESCAC, Nova, Georgetown, PC, BC, Holy Cross etc... So you just added another reason to what I listed above.

It would take some miracle run and win the National Championship - TWICE to break hand cuffs we are under. A final 4 in '77 didn't help our BBall program.

 

[Rutgers8086]

It was '76 and not joining the Big East killed us.

 

[76Scarlet]

That is an interesting take. I understand what you are saying but when I look around at the Baylors, Boise State's, TCU's and other schools who really have seemed to come on strong in the last decade, I say why not us? While NYC pro sports certainly seem to be the main focus, I just think if we are able to string together some success on the field, it will have to pay dividends. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

Agree. Even if it seems a daunting challenge now, one should never say never. You can also add on to your list Wisconsin, Northwestern and Minnesota who were also struggling not too far back and managed to turn their programs around. I think the goal for the short term is at least try to win consistently against teams like Purdue, Indiana, and Illinois (I know, we lost to them) as well as become more competitive against the better teams.

 

[BlockR]

compete..meaning win games in B10?
probably not untill we fix the defense from line to linebackers. We are getting there in defensive backfield,much improved. D line and linebackers,not B10 level yet..

 

[koleszar]

We're really behind the eight ball here at RU and it all boils down to money. Money caused us to hire an incompetent placeholder and keep him two years too long. What should have been a boon in recruiting when we entered the B1G, turned into a boondoggle due to the man's sheer incompetence.

So now here we sit. Full on rebuild and still no money till 2021. Yet, we've still been competitive with the middle of the pack B1G teams for the most part. Give us B1G money now and it wouldn't take long for us to at least be competitive with the big boys. Alas we have to wait till 2021 for that. We just have to hope Ash is the answer. This was always going to be a tough road to hoe due to our previous regime's lack of competence.

 

[RUbacker]

Hello all. I am new to the community and new to rivals. The site looks like it is updated on a regular basis so I am looking forward to using it. I'm sorry if these questions have been discussed recently but I'm wondering how long until we have a realistic chance at competing in the B1G for football? Also, as far as the remainder of the schedule, without looking through scarlet colored glasses, which games do we have the best shot at winning? Thanks guys...Looking forward to your response.

welcome to the board ! realistically 5 years to beat the mid range teams on a consistent basis, not just once in awhile and up to 7 years to get some upsets at the big boys like PSU just did to ohio state.
enjoy the ride we as get better each year but you have to be patient we wont get there in a couple of years as there is just to much to over haul here.

 

[RUJMM78]

Three top 25 recruiting classes in a row and we will be going bowling in no time.

I agree with the assessment but it won't happen with losing records.There always has been the haves and the have nots .The problem for have nots is breaking the cycle because the haves don't sit still maintaining their advantages.They continue to cherry pick the best players in NJ which makes Rutgers recruiting far more challenging.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Well, as others have stated, we have competed with the likes of Iowa, Minny...Previous years with Mich St, Illinois, Maryland even PSU. I'm not going to count Michigan because they are on a complete different level then 2014. But we could currently compete with Purdue, NWU

We can't compete at this point with Michigan, OSU, Wisc, Neb

So, as bad as it looks, we are competitive in the B1g. At any given year we could play with 9 teams and cannot play with 4.

 

[Steveriknight]

Welcome to the Rutgers rivals board... where the beer flows like wine, and women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Hello all. I am new to the community and new to rivals. The site looks like it is updated on a regular basis so I am looking forward to using it. I'm sorry if these questions have been discussed recently but I'm wondering how long until we have a realistic chance at competing in the B1G for football? Also, as far as the remainder of the schedule, without looking through scarlet colored glasses, which games do we have the best shot at winning? Thanks guys...Looking forward to your response.

2021 when we get the same $$$ as everyone else in the conference.

 

[RUbacker]

Well, as others have stated, we have competed with the likes of Iowa, Minny...Previous years with Mich St, Illinois, Maryland even PSU. I'm not going to count Michigan because they are on a complete different level then 2014. But we could currently compete with Purdue, NWU

We can't compete at this point with Michigan, OSU, Wisc, Neb

So, as bad as it looks, we are competitive in the B1g. At any given year we could play with 9 teams and cannot play with 4.

We need to start winning some these games losing to Illinois , Iowa and minny won't cut it. We need to beat these teams on s consistent basis and be above them for a few years then get real competitive against the big boys

 

[bryanjints]

10 years.

 

[Extra Point]

We are already competing with the mid/lower tier teams. I calculate that we will win Saturday, hopefully Gio won't get dinged. However even if he gets dinged and a different QB continue I still think we have a good chance for our first B1G win. Can't wait, no other sports team gets me more excited than RU.
To compete with the Michigan's of the world will take 3 or 4 years in my opinion.

 

[theRU]

That is an interesting take. I understand what you are saying but when I look around at the Baylors, Boise State's, TCU's and other schools who really have seemed to come on strong in the last decade, I say why not us? While NYC pro sports certainly seem to be the main focus, I just think if we are able to string together some success on the field, it will have to pay dividends. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

Why not us? Good question. Its about building the program. Those schools you list have serious financial backing. I'm not trying to be rude here but how much have you donated to the big build fund? If you are a typical RU fan, the answer is probably zero. Only 1600 people have donated thus far, so i'm playing the odds. You do this at OSU or Michigan and the wouldnt even need the damn fundraiser to begin with but if they did they'd have 2000 people donate a week.

 

[dalions81]

I know the Ped stuff will negate my opinion, but Paterno always had a four yr plan. He tried to compete for a championship every four yrs. Every week, every year get better...That is what I say Rutgers needs to do, but It only worked twice.

 

[mildone]

What should have been a boon in recruiting when we entered the B1G, turned into a boondoggle due to the man's shear incompetence.

So... You're saying it was all because Flood had bad hair?

 

[kapyoche]

We can't compete with the Big Three: OSU, PSU and Michigan.

 

[koleszar]

So... You're saying it was all because Flood had bad hair?

HaHa.[laughing] You won't believe this, but I did just take a class on how to shear our sheep for their fleece. I know what your thinking you depraved young man and no I don't fornicate with them. But I do knit pretty sweaters.

 

[BoroKnight]

We can't compete with the Big Three: OSU, PSU and Michigan.

The situations are not the same, but there was a time Wisconsin couldn't compete with Ohio State and MIchigan, either.

 

[madchuck]

The thing I don't understand is why we got EMBARRASSED by Michigan and Ohio State. They don't blow out other Big 10 teams like that. We competed with Iowa, Minny and Illinois. I think it's like 60% CL's fault.

 

[PSU_Nut]

The thing I don't understand is why we got EMBARRASSED by Michigan and Ohio State. They don't blow out other Big 10 teams like that. We competed with Iowa, Minny and Illinois. I think it's like 60% CL's fault.

You don't give up 132 points in two game because of a QB. There is plenty of blame to go around and blaming it all on a QB is ridiculous.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

You don't give up 132 points in two game because of a QB. There is plenty of blame to go around and blaming it all on a QB is ridiculous.

You're right. CL should not get all of the blame, but the defense looks a lot better when the offense can stay on the field as opposed to the perpetual 3 and out. If Lamar Jackson was on this team, the defense would have surrendered a far fewer points.

 

[eyebugs]

You will compete as soon as the top local kids start staying home.. Until that happens you will struggle.. RU will not be able to get the top kids out of maryland and PA until you start winning... It is all about recruiting.. I think you will get there but it takes awhile... Each year a little better than the year before...

 

[RUScrew85]

Hello all. I am new to the community and new to rivals. The site looks like it is updated on a regular basis so I am looking forward to using it. I'm sorry if these questions have been discussed recently but I'm wondering how long until we have a realistic chance at competing in the B1G for football? Also, as far as the remainder of the schedule, without looking through scarlet colored glasses, which games do we have the best shot at winning? Thanks guys...Looking forward to your response.

How long ya got?

 

[MJL_52]

My expectations with Ash in control is that this team is competitive, 8 or 9 wins every year with an occasional miracle thrown in, in the next 4-years. I'd kill to be like Michigan State (yes, I know they're having a down year!).

 

[jerzeyguy]

Depends on this recruiting class.. If the bottom falls out with decommits, a domino effect ensues. Next year we will have another tough season.. Next year's recruits will look at the previous two classes, and determine if RU is really on the come up. Ash first class last year was a disaster. If this class falls apart, he has no shot at winning here

 

[17Q66]

The thing I don't understand is why we got EMBARRASSED by Michigan and Ohio State. They don't blow out other Big 10 teams like that. We competed with Iowa, Minny and Illinois. I think it's like 60% CL's fault.

So, you're hanging more than half of an athletic department's woes on the shoulders of a 21 year old RS junior student athlete?

That, by the way, is why New Jersey can't compete.