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How the portal kills your program....Seton Hall 8 for 8 from last year.

There has to be some legal recourse for this situation. I am not a lawyer but what about some form of breach of contract! How about a lawsuit against the NCAA for how this is set up! Why are schools with big time football programs treated the same as schools with barely any investments in their football programs? A group of like schools like Rutgers should get together and see what they can do!
What contract is being breached? Your objections could be (and probably have been) presented to the Federal court considering whether to approve the NCAA v. House settlement, which will establish the ground rules for the next decade.
 
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Your proposal that players give up rights to compensation from anyone other than the schools is undoubtedly an antitrust violation. Again, an act of Congress or collective bargaining agreement would be necessary -- again, a very heavy lift.
Yes. Congress will have to get involved for any chance to fix this crap.
 
Yes. Congress will have to get involved for any chance to fix this crap.
Yes. And people will have to be realistic in what they want. Congress is not going to take us back to the days when players couldn't receive compensation or transfer without sitting out a year. There need to be controls on both, but the old model is dead IMHO.
 
Yes. And people will have to be realistic in what they want. Congress is not going to take us back to the days when players couldn't receive compensation or transfer without sitting out a year. There need to be controls on both, but the old model is dead IMHO.
Just need to have players signed multi-year contracts and push back the start of the transfer portal.
 
Just need to have players signed multi-year contracts and push back the start of the transfer portal.

Sure we need multi year contracts?
College athletics coaches (and fans) are pretty used to recruiting over and pushing out players that aren’t performing.

HC Schiano just pushed(?) out Winowich and nobody is batting an eye.
Schiano has had to basically cut like 19 guys to get under the roster limit?
Multi year contracts makes that much harder and more difficult to instantly upgrade the roster.
You’re stuck with recruiting misses.

I’m sure Nebraska fans are pretty happy Gavin Griffiths wasn’t on a multi year contract.
 
that is why i didn't renew and probably won't even watch college basketball at all. probably still visit message board because it is habit.

building program through HS players is probably a worse idea.
We don’t have a choice, Greene, because there is no money
 
The sport would be so much better if boosters would just go away.
But that means all "boosters" - including Rutgers much lower donation levels.
It came up in another thread - Spike Lee isn't "donating" millions to the Knicks for player salaries or to fund private jets for free agent meetings or to pay coaching buyouts.

Run it like every other professional sport.
The cat is out of the bag.
There are billion dollar media deals.
ADs have hundred million dollar budgets.
ADs can't keep claiming "We're too poor. We need the extra money from fans."

Problem is ADs would have to actually manage their resources and not get bailed out every year.
Knicks tickets are a lot more expensive than Rutgers tickets, not even close. College Fans determine their teams transfer portal budget.
No support=No Results
 
Sure we need multi year contracts?
College athletics coaches (and fans) are pretty used to recruiting over and pushing out players that aren’t performing.

HC Schiano just pushed(?) out Winowich and nobody is batting an eye.
Schiano has had to basically cut like 19 guys to get under the roster limit?
Multi year contracts makes that much harder and more difficult to instantly upgrade the roster.
You’re stuck with recruiting misses.

I’m sure Nebraska fans are pretty happy Gavin Griffiths wasn’t on a multi year contract.
You're raising an important issue. Under the old system, a kid was (in effect) on a multiyear contract because he had to sit out a year after transferring. But the school wasn't, because they could force out the kid at any time. If schools are now going to offer multiyear contracts to keep kids from transferring, the schools won't be able to force the kid out until the contract is over. Will schools want to limit themselves in that way even assuming that athletes want multiyear contracts?
 
Nothing has changed, other than the no-sit out portal rule.....if you believe kids should sit out a year, that I can argue for.....at the same time, do you want bad players sticking around on your roster, that can't help you win???

Kids have been getting bags of money for decades....Nothing has changed other than the mirage of "higher education and other items".

Are you OK with coaches walking out the door, to get to a better school or opportunity??? My guess is, YES, but when they leave the players and players families high and dry, no one cares......
You continue to severely underestimate the impact of the no sit out portal. It kills a developmental program like ours.
 
My primary issues
1. Combination of transfer portal and NIL
2. 3 pointers ruining basketball

The straw that broke my camel’s back was the Alabama-BYU game. That was the last game i watched this year and it might be the last I will ever watch. That game, like the NBA, was a farce

I think the players should get paid from designated revenue streams. I think conferences should be by geography.

The genie is completely out of the bottle. Not getting it back in.

My vantage point is unique….I followed and was fanatic about a D1 revenue program AND had a D1 athlete kid playing in a non revenue sport.
3. Using NIL as a recruiting tool.

The NBA has a draft — the best players don’t go to the highest bidder.

If portal selections were made via a draft lottery everything would change in a hurry. More players would stay with their existing schools.

But that’s probably illegal because how can you tell a kid what school he has to enroll in?

So, we’ve gone from one system where the schools and coaches held all the cards to one where the players dictate everything.

There has to be a balance, somewhere between those two extremes.
 
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3. Using NIL as a recruiting tool.

The NBA has a draft — the best players don’t go to the highest bidder.

If portal selections were made via a draft lottery everything would change in a hurry. More players would stay with their existing schools.

But that’s probably illegal because how can you tell a kid what school he has to enroll in?

So, we’ve gone from one system where the schools and coaches held all the cards to one where the players dictate everything.

There has to be a balance, somewhere between those two extremes.
My 1st thought is there has to be a solution. However right now the players have all the good cards. The pendulum has finally swung the other way. Players got screwed for 40 years.
 
3. Using NIL as a recruiting tool.

The NBA has a draft — the best players don’t go to the highest bidder.

If portal selections were made via a draft lottery everything would change in a hurry. More players would stay with their existing schools.

But that’s probably illegal because how can you tell a kid what school he has to enroll in?

So, we’ve gone from one system where the schools and coaches held all the cards to one where the players dictate everything.

There has to be a balance, somewhere between those two extremes.

Your mixing the NBA Draft and NBA Free Agency.

The equivalent is HS Freshman not Transfers.

NBA has a free agency just like CBB with transfers.
And NBA players go to whatever team they want for whatever reason.

And usually, the best players do go to the best teams.
Bad teams, locations and situations have to overpay in Free Agency.

Do you think Kevin Durant would considered the Utah Jazz as a free agent? Not unless they were offering a ton more money.
 
And 2 of the best HS recruits did go to one of the worst teams (13th in the Big Ten) last year.
 
Your mixing the NBA Draft and NBA Free Agency.

The equivalent is HS Freshman not Transfers.

NBA has a free agency just like CBB with transfers.
And NBA players go to whatever team they want for whatever reason.

And usually, the best players do go to the best teams.
Bad teams, locations and situations have to overpay in Free Agency.

Do you think Kevin Durant would considered the Utah Jazz as a free agent? Not unless they were offering a ton more money.
Of course it’s not apples to apples, because you can’t have a college draft for high school seniors.

So I purposely juxtaposed a draft for portal players instead, to demonstrate how, if it were legal, it would cause more players to stay put.

Since the idea of a draft won’t work, for both high school and portal players, and there are no contracts per se (beyond one year) then even “free agency” in college is different than the NBA.

How would the NBA look, and how would the fans react, if all the players changed teams every year? That’s a better analogy of how absurd college hoops has become.

How far are we from creating “trades” where we have players swap schools in between semesters? Seems like anything is possible when there are virtually no restrictions on player movement in college.
 
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Of course it’s not apples to apples, because you can’t have a college draft for high school seniors.

So I purposely juxtaposed a draft for portal players instead, to demonstrate how, if it were legal, it would cause more players to stay put.

Since the idea of a draft won’t work, for both high school and portal players, and there are no contracts per se (beyond one year) then even “free agency” in college is different than the NBA.

How would the NBA look, and how would the fans react, if all the players changed teams every year? That’s a better analogy of how absurd college hoops has become.

How far are we from creating “trades” where we have players swap schools in between semesters? Seems like anything is possible when there are virtually no restrictions on player movement in college.

I would imagine interest wouldn't change at all.
Similar to college, rosters have always turned over.

Long time NBA fans actually despise NBA "fans" who are more attached to players than teams.
Like all the Cavs "fans" who became Heat fans to follow LeBron.

You actually get more attached to players in the NBA because it's not limited to 4 years.

It's literally about the "name on the front" and not the "name on the back".
 
It really is an interesting philosophical question of what any given fan cares about. Sort of like the Ship of Theseus.... If all the parts are replaced, is it still the same ship?

If a college replaces every player and every coach and the AD, changes the school name (e.g., Glassboro State becoming Rowan) and mascot (e.g., Chanticleers to Knights) and plays in a different arena and conference.... is it still the same team?

I don't have an answer for that, and I'd imagine different fans would have different responses. I'm sure some could drop their team over any one of those things (or even something more minor) and others would stay through those and even greater changes.
 
I would imagine interest wouldn't change at all.
Similar to college, rosters have always turned over.

Long time NBA fans actually despise NBA "fans" who are more attached to players than teams.
Like all the Cavs "fans" who became Heat fans to follow LeBron.

You actually get more attached to players in the NBA because it's not limited to 4 years.

It's literally about the "name on the front" and not the "name on the back".
Sure, we fans do root for the name on the front, and we’ll continue to do so. It just feels different:

Not seeing guys develop as student athletes at your Alma Mater;
Not seeing them walking around campus for 4 years;
Not knowing their stats by heart, their strengths and weaknesses, tendencies in game situations;
Not having the guy who had become a fan favorite over the previous years at your school;
Not having guys who became legends here get their number retired and jersey hung up in the rafters;
Not seeing the team gel as their chemistry evolved over multiple seasons of playing together.

I’ll miss all of that, while still rooting for the name on the front.
 
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Can these rules be tied to a particular segment of the CBB world? For example blue blood P4 schools? If so can collusion be argued in court?
 
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