How will Ash handle QB?

[IL Lusciato]

I just realized that Gio is only a red shirt sophomore. I didn't realize that. And I think it presents an interesting situation. Being that this kid is showing some promise and is "taking his lumps" as a sophomore right now and it looks pretty promising, I'd really like to see the kid grow and reach his pinnacle.

My question is, what do we think Ash will do, being that he has brought in Oden as his own recruit, and started Laviano, then went to Allen long before he seemed to actually give Gio a realistic look.

Ash also pulled Gio to get Oden in at an odd point last game, which worries me a bit as to whether Ash is taking Gio as a serious possibility for the future.

Look, if Oden is the best QB on the tram next year then go with him, but if not, I want Gio to get a legit shot...that could usher Oden, and esp Lewis and whoever else in the right way behind him (I think Oden should have red shirted this year.) I am hesitant to trust Ash here, bc I think the only reason Laviano got the start was bc it was between him and Allen and Gio never got a serious look despite his ability to run this offense. Then Odens shirt was burned I would assume bc Ash anticipated him playing much sooner.

What do you guys think will happen?

 

[waretown]

I just realized that Gio is only a red shirt sophomore. I didn't realize that. And I think it presents an interesting situation. Being that this kid is showing some promise and is "taking his lumps" as a sophomore right now and it looks pretty promising, I'd really like to see the kid grow and reach his pinnacle.

My question is, what do we think Ash will do, being that he has brought in Oden as his own recruit, and started Laviano, then went to Allen long before he seemed to actually give Gio a realistic look.

Ash also pulled Gio to get Oden in at an odd point last game, which worries me a bit as to whether Ash is taking Gio as a serious possibility for the future.

Look, if Oden is the best QB on the tram next year then go with him, but if not, I want Gio to get a legit shot...that could usher Oden, and esp Lewis and whoever else in the right way behind him (I think Oden should have red shirted this year.) I am hesitant to trust Ash here, bc I think the only reason Laviano got the start was bc it was between him and Allen and Gio never got a serious look despite his ability to run this offense. Then Odens shirt was burned I would assume bc Ash anticipated him playing much sooner.

What do you guys think will happen?

i hope that you are right, unless olden bulks up and proves he can throw gio looks like the leader at this point, also dont forget we have other qbs. i just hope ash dosent burn lewis's redshirt like he did oldens next year

 

[jmc11201]

Tough to know.

You can evaluate a QB on a variety of metrics...arm strength, physical build, smarts, confidence, running ability, calm under pressure, leadership, etc.

I'm guessing they viewed Gio somewhere in the middle of the pack on most of those, but clearly the guy handles pressure well, has good enough physical tools, and stepped up during the game. If he can build on Saturday's performance and cut down on the mistakes (more so the picks than the fumble), then he can be a very good QB here. I would guess the staff is going to try and get better QBs in here the next few years (that is the goal of every coaching staff), but if Gio plays like he did and develops, he will be tough to beat out.

 

[IL Lusciato]

i hope that you are right, unless olden bulks up and proves he can throw gio looks like the leader at this point, also dont forget we have other qbs. i just hope ash dosent burn lewis's redshirt like he did oldens next year

I'm with you on this.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Tough to know.

You can evaluate a QB on a variety of metrics...arm strength, physical build, smarts, confidence, running ability, calm under pressure, leadership, etc.

I'm guessing they viewed Gio somewhere in the middle of the pack on most of those, but clearly the guy handles pressure well, has good enough physical tools, and stepped up during the game. If he can build on Saturday's performance and cut down on the mistakes (more so the picks than the fumble), then he can be a very good QB here. I would guess the staff is going to try and get better QBs in here the next few years (that is the goal of every coaching staff), but if Gio plays like he did and develops, he will be tough to beat out.

Good points. And obviously one start is not enough to really make a full judgement. But it just seems he at least has that "it" gamer element and also can run this offense. So it is exciting.

 

[Knight Shift]

Tough to know.

You can evaluate a QB on a variety of metrics...arm strength, physical build, smarts, confidence, running ability, calm under pressure, leadership, etc.

I'm guessing they viewed Gio somewhere in the middle of the pack on most of those, but clearly the guy handles pressure well, has good enough physical tools, and stepped up during the game. If he can build on Saturday's performance and cut down on the mistakes (more so the picks than the fumble), then he can be a very good QB here. I would guess the staff is going to try and get better QBs in here the next few years (that is the goal of every coaching staff), but if Gio plays like he did and develops, he will be tough to beat out.

It's a stretch of a metric, but Gio's first 6 quarters had a better TD/INT ratio 4 TD/3 INTs than Lamar Jackson in his first 2 games (1 TD/3 INTs) and JT Barrett in his first 2 games (3 TD/4 INTs). What this means is Gio for Heisman in 2017. [banana]

Just put it out there to say we can't expect too much too soon, and even really great QBs start off slowly and make mistakes.

 

[Caliknight]

These types of analysis never take into account kids maturing and getting better. It happens. A lot.

Gio today isn't what he was in the spring or summer. Oden is going to look much different in another year or two.

It's how it is supposed to be. Ultimately you want a kid like Oden sitting for a few years. We don't have that luxury right now. And in this offense, you need two QBs ready to go.

 

[cicero grimes]

I think we need to see how the season plays out before worrying about that. It has only been one start against a secondary that had two players suspended. I like Gio and want him to succeed but we need more of a sample.

 

[vkj91]

He's going to play the best QB. He started Laviano because he was the most secure with the ball. Between practice and game chances the two backups(Allen and Oden) never stepped up. You guys keep discounting Gio was 4th string coming out of a horrible spring and OK camp. Fourth string QB's don't get a lot if any of the game reps. Sorry they just don't. That's not on Ash it's on Gio's performance. If it wasn't for running scout he'd still be buried. Kudos to him for showing up big. If you want to knit pick, Ash probably waited one half too long to permanently bench Laviano. I actually give Ash and DM credit for putting Gio's scout performance ahead of his entire prior body of work.

 

[RAA-1]

Ash also pulled Gio to get Oden in at an odd point last game, which worries me a bit as to whether Ash is taking Gio as a serious possibility for the future.

You do realize that Oden went in due to a leg injury to Gio.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

As far as Oden, maybe next year he can surpass Gio? It all depends on how he develops. Getting him game time this year will help, but he might be a year or two away from being a legit starter.

Lewis on the other hand looks like a more complete QB, but now that Gio looks to be doing good we can red shirt Lewis.

 

[jmc11201]

It's a stretch of a metric, but Gio's first 6 quarters had a better TD/INT ratio 4 TD/3 INTs than Lamar Jackson in his first 2 games (1 TD/3 INTs) and JT Barrett in his first 2 games (3 TD/4 INTs). What this means is Gio for Heisman in 2017. [banana]

Just put it out there to say we can't expect too much too soon, and even really great QBs start off slowly and make mistakes.

I'm sure Gio will get better and I can live with mistakes when a kid is trying to make a play. The ones where they get flustered and just heave the ball hoping something good happens are tougher to handle.

Gio definitely had the 'it' out there on Saturday more than any QB we have seen around here in a long time (absent a few good games by Nova). That said, he has good physical tools, but isn't Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick or Johnny Manziel where it is world-class athleticism. He definitely seems to be the best combo of athleticism and game ready that we have and we can beat many of the teams on our schedule with the QB play we had on Saturday.

All that said, it wouldn't shock me if Odin or Lewis come in and after a year or two developing pass Gio by. Odin is lightning quick...just no clue how well he can manage the offense. Lewis is a total unknown, but has excellent size. Having too many good QBs is something we haven't had to worry about around here...so if that happens, I'm happy to let the staff worry about it.

 

[knightfan7]

You do realize that Oden went in due to a leg injury to Gio.

I don't know if the OP is referring to the first or second time. The TV guys said Ash told them he planned on giving Oden a series or two all along. No matter when that series happened, posters here would be complaining it was at the wrong time. Nothing new or unusual with that.

The second time Gio came out was obviously because he was hurting. Once again I'm not surprised so many here are blind to that. It didn't fit their planned rant so they just ignore what was right in front of them.

 

[IL Lusciato]

You do realize that Oden went in due to a leg injury to Gio.

That was toward the end I thought. He went in for 2 plays on a different drive at a weird time.

 

[IL Lusciato]

He's going to play the best QB. He started Laviano because he was the most secure with the ball. Between practice and game chances the two backups(Allen and Oden) never stepped up. You guys keep discounting Gio was 4th string coming out of a horrible spring and OK camp. Fourth string QB's don't get a lot if any of the game reps. Sorry they just don't. That's not on Ash it's on Gio's performance. If it wasn't for running scout he'd still be buried. Kudos to him for showing up big. If you want to knit pick, Ash probably waited one half too long to permanently bench Laviano. I actually give Ash and DM credit for putting Gio's scout performance ahead of his entire prior body of work.

Gio was first in early in the year and ran for a TD, he then was backup behind Allen and Laviano. Allen is clearly not as good as Gio. Also, I'm unsure why Oden is backup now to Gio rather than Laviano. I get that people have snap reactions to some who may have a few questions about Ash, but his QB management up to this point does leave room to question how he will handle the kids going forward ...

 

[e5fdny]

We always seem to be looking over the next hill before we finish climbing the first one.

 

[IL Lusciato]

We always seem to be looking over the next hill before we finish climbing the first one.

I think it's a legitimate question that is relevant right now. Ash is already playing Oden for some snaps and Gio is young too and could be also using those series to gain experience, esp when we are competing and could win the game. So I do think this is currently relevant.
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[e5fdny]

I think it's a legitimate question that is relevant right now. Ash is already playing Oden for some snaps and Gio is young too and could be also using those series to gain experience, esp when we are competing and could win the game. So I do think this is currently relevant.
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It was not a dig at your premise.

Be we are all guilty of this. Me too.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Ash only wants to win games. He does not care if it is a QB who was here already or one of his recruits. As for Oden, he went if because of an injury to Gio. As for his redshirt, Oden was asked if it was ok to put him into a game, he approved it. Some may ask why? Well, the why, was to find out fi he could be the answer as a True Freshman. There would be no other way to find out.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Gio was first in early in the year and ran for a TD, he then was backup behind Allen and Laviano. Allen is clearly not as good as Gio. Also, I'm unsure why Oden is backup now to Gio rather than Laviano. I get that people have snap reactions to some who may have a few questions about Ash, but his QB management up to this point does leave room to question how he will handle the kids going forward ...

Why would you wonder why Oden is the backup to Gio? They are the type of QB Ash/Staff want to run this offense. The only other guy is Allen, and to be frank, he has not looked good at all.

 

[RUInsanity]

Might as well throw Lewis into the equation as long as we are dreaming about the future.

 

[knightfan7]

I think it's a legitimate question that is relevant right now. Ash is already playing Oden for some snaps and Gio is young too and could be also using those series to gain experience, esp when we are competing and could win the game. So I do think this is currently relevant.
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Relevant if your backup is experienced already. If, as it appears, the staff wants to groom Oden to be Gio's back up you need to give him a series here and there.

Posters have been calling for back ups to receive game reps for years. "Just give him a chance!". Flood and to an extent Schiano were ripped endlessly for not preparing the back up QB. Now we have a HC doing what the board has been yelling for so we question why he'd doing it?

They should change the name of this place to "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".

 

[JavaDunk18]

Why not redshirt Oden next year, maybe Lewis. Have Gio as the seasoned starter for 2017. Open could bulk up, practice and have at least 2 years as starter ( if he backs up Gio his senior year). as for Lewis, we don't know anything yet, so too early to comment. We will still have other backup options for Gio next year. As i mentioned in previous post, 2018 is a year we could definitely have chance to start 7-1 - look at the schedule - and hopefully 3 top QBs..

 

[Knight Shift]

We always seem to be looking over the next hill before we finish climbing the first one.

We have some fans that like to really stand tall and/or are forward thinking. Nothing wrong with either one of those qualities.

 

[mikebal9]

I hate to say this, but I'd consider playing Gio just to redshirt Lewis and punt next year. Gio keeps things competitive and we can continue to recruit, but I'd rather save Lewis for two years down the line.

 

[knightfan7]

Why not redshirt Oden next year, maybe Lewis. Have Gio as the seasoned starter for 2017. Open could bulk up, practice and have at least 2 years as starter ( if he backs up Gio his senior year). as for Lewis, we don't know anything yet, so too early to comment. We will still have other backup options for Gio next year. As i mentioned in previous post, 2018 is a year we could definitely have chance to start 7-1 - look at the schedule - and hopefully 3 top QBs..

I understand but the other QB's have shown they are a liability running the offense. Right now it appears the staff feels Oden can handle the run game and is a big time work in progress in the passing game.

There are only so many reps available at practice. You need to give those to the starter and backup. I don't doubt what we're seeing is with an eye toward 2017 but Ash still has to play who he believes gives RU the best chance on a Saturday. He can't just write off 2016 like a fan can. You worry about 2018, 2019, or 2020 later.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Gio is getting his "legit shot" right now. He'll be the starter, most likely, for the final 5 games of the season. All conference games. That is a HUGE advantage and could easily propel him to the starting position, come Game 1, but I don't believe HANDS it to him as Ash doesn't seem to be that kind of a HC. Competition begins this spring, all over again, most likely.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

If our Oline don't get a sh#t ton better at some point, it won't matter much. We'll need 2-3 QBs to get through the season with all the injuries we'll have.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

i hope that you are right, unless olden bulks up and proves he can throw gio looks like the leader at this point, also dont forget we have other qbs. i just hope ash dosent burn lewis's redshirt like he did oldens next year

Who the **** is Olden?

I only know of an Oden...

 

[Knightmoves]

I expect Gio to start the rest of the season while Oden also gets some reps along the way. At least that's what I see from my armchair today.

Once Summer camp begins its an open competition at QB.

 

[knightfan7]

Who the **** is Olden?

I only know of an Oden...

I'm a big time offender. At least I have an excuse, I'm not too bright. That said the spelling let alone getting player's names right is a lost art around here for a group of mostly college grads.

Not their fault. I blame relying too much on computers and spell check.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Ash only wants to win games. He does not care if it is a QB who was here already or one of his recruits. As for Oden, he went if because of an injury to Gio. As for his redshirt, Oden was asked if it was ok to put him into a game, he approved it. Some may ask why? Well, the why, was to find out fi he could be the answer as a True Freshman. There would be no other way to find out.

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

 

[vkj91]

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

Experienced coaches burn kids shirts every year. The idea it's some rookie mistake is stupid. It's fine to disagree but has nothing to do with experience. If he gets reps in the next 4 games(which is the plan) he will have actual game experience to take from. It's no doubt they wanted him to take over. They discussed it with him and he wanted it as well. It's not their fault he continues to struggle with the passing game. I wonder if you were as hard on schiano's questionable RS decisions

 

[yesrutgers01]

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

If the announcers were right and if Ash did say that he plans to get Oden reps in each of the remaining games, then it isn't a rookie mistake at all but carefully planned. That way, next year, he has Gio with game experience and Oden with some good game experience. Playing on the scout team doesn't compare to the experience you get in a real game. Let those two battle it out next year, RS Lewis and then you have 2018 with SR, Jr and RS Freshman QB's who all fit the system.

 

[bigmatt718]

I expect Gio to start the rest of the season while Oden also gets some reps along the way. At least that's what I see from my armchair today.

Once Summer camp begins its an open competition at QB.

As long as Laviano isn't involved with anything regarding that open competition, bring it on.

 

[PaKnight]

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

He is learning a lot more running the RU offense in practice than he would running scout team. He will be more ready to compete for a spot in the spring.

 

[knightfan7]

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

Who should have had a chance that didn't other than the football world's #1 5th string QB?

Did it even occur to you the staff feels Oden is just the better back up option in this offense going forward? As far as learning with the scout team, I'd wager working with the 1's and 2's is a lot more beneficial IF he needs to come in.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Any other head coach would have put him on the scout team
and red shirted him. This gives the kid a chance to get on the right track with classwork, as well as the football part of it.
The novice head coach phucked up big time, didn't know
what he was doing, and could have done more harm than
good with his rookie misjudgement. The kid needed to learn
with the scout team, no ans,ifs or buts.
He wanted his kid in at all costs, and ignored, guys that should have had a chance.

LOL yet another Ash-bashing post by this guy and, lol, he doesn't even respond to the OP's question.

 

[vkj91]

As long as Laviano isn't involved with anything regarding that open competition, bring it on.

He won't even be on the team

 

[urbanecane]

My guess is it will be an open competition between Rescigno, Oden and Lewis in the spring/summer with Rescigno having the advantage. Call me crazy, but I could see a scenario (assuming multiple QB transfers) where RU brings in a grad transfer/JUCO and if said transfer is good enough to start or play backup then Lewis and maybe even Oden redshirt. I would say it is unlikely but not unthinkable.