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I know this is going to sound like heresy, but....

How much college basketball do you watch? That happens all the time. Lesser teams will hang with a superior team for 10 minutes or a half, and then get beaten by double digits when the superior team finally "wakes up". Every year in the tournament, a 15 or 16 seed hangs around and makes a game of it for the first half... then just can't keep up that level of play for 40 minutes.

And that's because of the talent gap. Some of it is depth - the second tier players just are that large of a dropoff from the first tier, or the first tier gets tired as the game progresses - and some of it is just versatility - it's easier to close off 1-2 offensive options than 4-5.

I watch plenty. And I understand your point but it sure looks more like Rutgers begins to play a completely different game..sloppy, careless, and wild. And the plan goes to more one on one. Not SO MUCH a talent thing unless your are talking about talent between the ears. Other team wakes up? Of course. But something else happens to RU. Panic?
 
I will speak very highly of Pikiell any day of the week and you don't see what I see, I'm not sure how much Rutgers basketball you've watched over the last 28 years. This is the best coach we've had and this guy will get it done.

He can't shoot the free throws and come up with shooters we don't have. He is doing what he can with the talent on the floor.

The talent improves, these guy get into the weight room in the off season and things will get better. You don't think so? Don't watch I guess?
IMO, Mike Rice was a better coach. But he had other issues.
 
Mike rice was a very good coach. I think Pikiell is a little better, but no doubt we were getting close to turning the corner. I hope mike rice gets back into the college game and I wish him the best.
 
After watching Nova dismantle SHU; I've realized that if you do everything else right; defense, rebounding and free throws; the difference between winning and losing is all about the 3 point shooting. All the good teams have shooters who not only can consistently knock down the three pointer; but it's simply the strategy. If you are going to take jump shots; make them 3 pointers.

We can finally play defense, rebounding has been much better; but we don't hit free throws or 3 pointers and the lull in scoring over a certain stretch puts us into a hole we can climb out of. Thats the reason I know we are going to turn it around under Pikiell. He demands tough defense and rebounding and has proven we can hang with more talented teams. Now we need the offense and that will be recruited. Same mentality as MSU and Izzo. Turn blue chip players into blue collar workers. We need the blue chip players first. You can mix in some high quality 3 stars and outwork everyone as long as the players buy in. I think that's the character of Steve Pikiell. His ability to teach kids to buy into his system. Three year process.
 
Don't you think in addition to the practice facility we should be doing something to the RAC?
 
goru -- bingo! He's taught them the effort stuff. Showed them it works. Offensive must now be addressed. Those BB activities we've spoken about should now be the overwhelming emphasis of what goes on in practice. After all, how much better defensively can we get? Offensive improvement has so much more upside. Coach: get to work on that now. If the D slumps a little, we can live with it.

I'd like to think he can, but...

And the jury is definitely still out on recruiting.
 
I watch plenty. And I understand your point but it sure looks more like Rutgers begins to play a completely different game..sloppy, careless, and wild. And the plan goes to more one on one. Not SO MUCH a talent thing unless your are talking about talent between the ears. Other team wakes up? Of course. But something else happens to RU. Panic?

That is what happens when you don't have the talent.
 
goru -- bingo! He's taught them the effort stuff. Showed them it works. Offensive must now be addressed. Those BB activities we've spoken about should now be the overwhelming emphasis of what goes on in practice. After all, how much better defensively can we get? Offensive improvement has so much more upside. Coach: get to work on that now. If the D slumps a little, we can live with it.

I'd like to think he can, but...

And the jury is definitely still out on recruiting.
Yeah, that's it. You've got it. Pikiell and his staff spent the preseason and 2/3 of the regular season on "the effort stuff" and defense, and now they will turn to offense. I can see yesterday's staff meeting, with Pikiell standing up and saying, "Well done staff. We've taught them the effort stuff, but 'offense must now be addressed.' We're going to finally give it the attention it deserves. I just now noticed the tremendous upside that exists if we teach the team how to do these things. So I declare January 16 'let's start in the offense day.'"

Boy, it's about time. Things will start happening now.
 
I just want to know why is our talent good enough to come out and clearly out play Indy and Iowa for the first 7- 12 minutes and then all of a sudden our talent disappears and theirs all of a sudden reappears?

I am starting to think we do over-sub and perhaps we just need to stick with 8 players and re-establish whatever chemistry we had early season and what the starting 5 seem to bring early.

  • Is it lack of adjustments by us to theirs?
  • Is it lack of confidence and a "here we go again" mindset?
  • Is it Pike's stated position and lack of demands on the O side when he says "I'll never take a guy out for making a mistake on the O side..only defense"?
Announcers said it and even said Pike said it...lack of ability to maintain/sustain. Why?

Folks thought CJ couldn't/wouldn't hold up in the league play. I think he is..but we get away from him way to much. He gets tired I am sure...but we need his passing. He's got to be more assertive and make his fair share of shots too...especially at the line.

Just my thinking...
Like I say about football, bad conditioning is not simply corrected by a single offseason of good conditioning. It's something that is built upon over a few years. Just because we are better than we were does not mean we are where we need to be.
 
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How much college basketball do you watch? That happens all the time. Lesser teams will hang with a superior team for 10 minutes or a half, and then get beaten by double digits when the superior team finally "wakes up". Every year in the tournament, a 15 or 16 seed hangs around and makes a game of it for the first half... then just can't keep up that level of play for 40 minutes.

And that's because of the talent gap. Some of it is depth - the second tier players just are that large of a dropoff from the first tier, or the first tier gets tired as the game progresses - and some of it is just versatility - it's easier to close off 1-2 offensive options than 4-5.

I remember Douby outplaying Villanova, all by himself, during the 1st half of a BE tournament game... Anyway, that doesn't really add anything here, it just popped into my head when I read your post. Man that kid was great.
 
I watch plenty. And I understand your point but it sure looks more like Rutgers begins to play a completely different game..sloppy, careless, and wild. And the plan goes to more one on one. Not SO MUCH a talent thing unless your are talking about talent between the ears. Other team wakes up? Of course. But something else happens to RU. Panic?

I see a lot of empty sets run in the second half - we more the ball around the perimeter, but the defense is now closing off the entry pass and daring us to shoot from the outside. A few decent looks are given up (which likely would have been misses anyway, because the player shoots such a low percentage from outside), and the ball ends up in the hands of Corey or Nigel just inside midcourt with 8 seconds left on the shot clock and requiring them to beat their man 1-on-1.

We used 20+ seconds to try to run the offense, but our bigs were denied the ball and our wings/guards refused to shoot it. Again goes back to talent and the lack of shooters.

We usually start off hot with a distinct game plan to maximize our advantages and minimize our deficits... and it works well in the early going. Then the other team adjusts and takes away what was working... and we don't have the talent to score in very many ways right now.

We also end up with some fouls to deal with in the second half, and backups have to come in to spell starters... which means even fewer successful entry passes and outside shot attempts. So we either grind our starters 35+ minutes and they wear down late in the game, or we rest them and put in players who don't produce points.

We need a perfect storm... key players stay out of foul trouble, a couple of players get hot on the same night from outside, opponent doesn't get hot from the outside, and a friendly whistle. We usually get one or two of those... but we need a lot of things to go right to get conference wins - especially on the road.
 
I see a lot of empty sets run in the second half - we more the ball around the perimeter, but the defense is now closing off the entry pass and daring us to shoot from the outside. A few decent looks are given up (which likely would have been misses anyway, because the player shoots such a low percentage from outside), and the ball ends up in the hands of Corey or Nigel just inside midcourt with 8 seconds left on the shot clock and requiring them to beat their man 1-on-1.

We used 20+ seconds to try to run the offense, but our bigs were denied the ball and our wings/guards refused to shoot it. Again goes back to talent and the lack of shooters.

We usually start off hot with a distinct game plan to maximize our advantages and minimize our deficits... and it works well in the early going. Then the other team adjusts and takes away what was working... and we don't have the talent to score in very many ways right now.

We also end up with some fouls to deal with in the second half, and backups have to come in to spell starters... which means even fewer successful entry passes and outside shot attempts. So we either grind our starters 35+ minutes and they wear down late in the game, or we rest them and put in players who don't produce points.

We need a perfect storm... key players stay out of foul trouble, a couple of players get hot on the same night from outside, opponent doesn't get hot from the outside, and a friendly whistle. We usually get one or two of those... but we need a lot of things to go right to get conference wins - especially on the road.

yeah, I buy that. doesn't take much with this group for things to snowball downhill. But I still think I've seen examples of where we can continue to execute things well but get away from it and try to force things that aren't working. And then away we go...
 
...which is why I don't like the red and yellow lights we have on the perimeter. You can't win making one 3 pointer per game.....especially with all the turnovers.

100% of possessions end with a turnover

3 outcomes with a 3 point attempt
1. it goes in 28% (yuck!)
2. it misses and we get it back 72% * 39% also 28%
3. it misses and the opponent gets it 72% * 61% 44%

I also think our 3pt fg% goes higher if more guys are green lighted AND OREB% on 3s are higher than 2s and 1s (FTs)
 
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I watch plenty. And I understand your point but it sure looks more like Rutgers begins to play a completely different game..sloppy, careless, and wild. And the plan goes to more one on one. Not SO MUCH a talent thing unless your are talking about talent between the ears. Other team wakes up? Of course. But something else happens to RU. Panic?

with a better team "waking up" comes a better effort on the little things, especially on the defensive end: forcing a less talented team into sub-optimal shot selection, harder to make passes, better blocking out, etc.

The shot that was easy to get early on is no longer there. The back door pass is suddenly being guarded well. When you play better by the book AND you out athlete a team, that is a blowout.
 
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