I sense an imbalance in the (boards) force

[RUsSKii]

The learning point is, if a person or a group is winning all its battles, they are not challenging themselves enough.

So in a sense, you're implying that OSU for the most part under Meyer's tenure to date is basically too good for the B1G and should probably start playing vs. NFL teams instead?

In all seriousness, I happen to agree with your premise as far as the benefit and education of Rutgers student athletes goes, but Flood lost my support as Rutgers football's head coach when he knowingly violated Rutgers academic procedures in order to try and change a failing grade for an already academically inelegible Nadir Barnwell (in freaking Theater Appreciation), at least a month after it was already finalized. The arrest and dismissal of Barnwell and five other players this season further demonstrates a questionable team atmosphere and environment lacking of control and discipline, whether the coach was directly responsible for their individual actions or not.

The only question that this season's overall Win-Loss record is deciding (at least for me) is whether the university has enough financial justification to keep Flood relatively cheaply for another year, or would be better served to fire him at season's end in order to avoid risking a likely notable decrease in ticket sales, parking passes and football donations by a disgruntled fanbase next year. 8-4 or 7-5 winning seasons would mean the former, 4-8 or 5-7 losing seasons would hopefully mean the latter, and 6-6 would probably make this board explode.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Flood should have been fired already. Gives the team a chance at a bowl.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Some may hate the bitching and moaning and I get it. I don't do much of it myself but I get that some need to vent or are frustrated. Also if I'm not in the mood I just ignore it. After all it's just text on a screen and very easy to glance right over.

The thing is with bitching and moaning, at least it means people still care. No matter how much you may not like it, it still means fans out there are caring. It's when they stop the bitching and moaning you have to worry, it means they've stopped caring. Apathy is the worst thing.

How's that for finding the positive.

 

[GeorgeStreet]

If Urban Myer wanted to up his challenge, and he should, he at least would make his players go to class.

 

[DJ Spanky]

There were well more than 2 or 3 posters hoping for a blow-out loss to OSU and for RU to lose out (this after RU came back and beat Indiana) so that Flood wold surely be fired.

It is simply amazing that people have this mindset yet still call themselves fans.

 

[ru-baby]

Agree with never anting RU to lose.

Flip side is how do you support blindly someone who has impugned what was a stellar (academic) reputation of the fball team. Isn't that akin to supporting something not in RU's best interests, like rooting for a loss?

 

[mildone]

No because they people who thrive on the negative will disappear until we lose again. All you have to do is look at the post differentials when we were losing vs winning against Indiana.

I think that's largely true of the forum in general. But I've noticed the inverse effect specifically in the in-game threads.

When we're doing well, the in-game post count goes down. When we're struggling, the post count ramps up sharply and the worse we do, the more people we see spewing over the top negativity. When things are going really bad, it's like witnessing a community outbreak of Tourette Syndrome.

 

[bac2therac]

a win over Wisconsin would by far be Floods greatest victory in Flood's 4 years so yes I think a lot of people would be happy and the criticism would go away for a few days. Beat Wisky then lose to Maryland and we go back to square one

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I think the problem is that we cannot even put this on the back burner for optimism for the coming basketball season. Also, there was a certain amount of unhealthy and irrational exuberance leading up to the azzwhooping we just got.

 

[srru86]

 

[WhiteBus]

Rutgers sports are first and foremost for the benefit and education of Rutgers students. Students learn from winning AND from losing. They don't need to listen to whiney fair-weather fans. They aren't looking to make a profit. Go back to your professional sports teams.

Wow Barchi is posting on thus board!!!

OK Bob if it is first and foremost an activity for the benefit for students than why do I have to shell out so much $$ for priority points, tickets and parking??

 

[RCTrooper]

The following things which where subject to debate have turned out to be not true:
-Flood is an honorable man who will represent RU well as a person if not as a winning coach
-The gap between RU and PSU is the size of a handful of plays and narrowing
-2016 is the year that Flood gets that cornerstone recruiting class
-Actually stars don't matter. Flood's eye for unrecognized talent makes the perceived talent gap between us and OSU, PSU, and the others less than perceived
-WSU is penciled in as a win
-The Rutgers Man

 

[mikershoein]

At least there is activity even when out squad is having a tough year

Most boards are ghost towns when there team is struggling

 

[DirtyRU]

If we win on halloween, then change for many people here, things will.

Scourge, fixed that for ya. YW.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Just as long as THE FORCE is with us.

A big unexpected win will change that.

 

[vkj91]

Some may hate the bitching and moaning and I get it. I don't do much of it myself but I get that some need to vent or are frustrated. Also if I'm not in the mood I just ignore it. After all it's just text on a screen and very easy to glance right over.

The thing is with bitching and moaning, at least it means people still care. No matter how much you may not like it, it still means fans out there are caring. It's when they stop the bitching and moaning you have to worry, it means they've stopped caring. Apathy is the worst thing.

How's that for finding the positive.

Some People bitch and moan because they are passionate....Nuts and Zappa come to mind. Many are just miserable f$cks who would bitch regardless of record, coach, or budget.

 

[Caliknight]

Some People bitch and moan because they are passionate....Nuts and Zappa come to mind. Many are just miserable f$cks who would bitch regardless of record, coach, or budget.

I am guessing that last group of people you are talking about have really awful lives. No one could be that miserable if they didn't.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Some People bitch and moan because they are passionate....Nuts and Zappa come to mind. Many are just miserable f$cks who would bitch regardless of record, coach, or budget.

I'm sure there are and as I say for other things, it takes all kinds. I've seen it in other fanbases too including Oregon this year and Florida when Meyer was there. They were saying he was winning because of Tebow and wasn't there even a fire Urban Meyer site some idiot fans started. It's everywhere and as I've said before I actually think we have one of the more tolerating/patient/passionate fanbases out there for our sports given the results we've had over the years.

Point still holds too, at least they're still paying attention. It's when people don't care and don't pay attention that we have trouble.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Some People bitch and moan because they are passionate....Nuts and Zappa come to mind. Many are just miserable f$cks who would bitch regardless of record, coach, or budget.

I disagree. Winning or at least progress in that direction would solve everything. Most here want to see this team succeed.

 

[derleider]

It is simply amazing that people have this mindset yet still call themselves fans.

Its not that amazing. I want the Ravens to lose every game for the rest of the season, because there is a huge benefit to sucking and none for being not terrible.

WIth Flood its a little different - because the benefit isnt as obvious as getting high draft picks. We have no idea who Rutgers could bring in to replace him, or even if they would. But it does seem we are getting into a kind of trap here where Flood will do just enough to not get fired, but not enough to actually be good or give anyone any faith that he will be retained long term (i.e. he will be on a perpetual hot seat).

 

[RUsojo]

With Schiano there was always a sense of when not if (of winning championships). Now everyone knows there is zero chance of that happening anytime soon

 

[HoosierKnight]

The scales of force tipped for me last game. When it is apparent that Flood will stick with Laviano the same way he stuck with Nova over Dodd. And for all the same reasons that I disagree with. So barring a catastrophic injury, we will never see what Rettig could do.

We have been torched too many times by freshman qb's and replacement qb's and yet have never found a real gunslinger here that we need. Maybe Dodd was not it and maybe Rettig is not it, but if so, then that is Flood's fault too.

I play in a community orchestra. Some players sound like Yo Yo Ma warming up but don't shine so bright reading the music. Some sound good in rehearsal but perform worse under the pressure of a concert while for other players, the opposite is true. The analogy is undeniable. Until you see players perform on the field during a real game, practice is just practice. It gives you an idea but is not definitive and certainly not definitive if the players are practically even.

Doesn't Rossi still have access to all the Schiano defensive philosophy and schemes? I hate it but you have to give Rossi a bit of a pass with the fallout earlier in the year with the dbacks.

I wanted to believe in Kyle the Flood but I am worn out. The academic email and meeting were pretty deflating after that was one of Flood's bright spots.

I still believe that Julie Herman is going to do well for us and am hoping that she is going to make a home run hire for football soon.

Even if a miracle happens and we beat Wisconsin or Michigan, it can only be in a squeaker. And then there is a better than 50/50 chance we then lose to Maryland or Army. Nebraska is snake bit so we might beat them because the Gods seem angry at the people of the corn.

May the force be with us but I too sense an imbalance as the scale in my own head seems to indicate that Kyle the Flood is turning toward the dark side.