ICE: Foreign Students Must Leave The U.S. If Their Colleges Go Online-Only This Fall

[Tango Two]

Foreign students attending U.S. colleges that will operate entirely online this fall semester cannot remain in the country to do so, according to new regulations released Monday by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

As college students across the United States and around the world contemplate what their upcoming semester might look like, the federal guidance limits options for international students and leaves them with an uncomfortable choice: attend in-person classes during a pandemic or take them online from another country.

And for students enrolled in schools that have already announced plans to operate fully online, there is no choice. Under the new rules, the State Department will not issue them visas, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection will not allow them to enter the country.

More Here:
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-u-s-if-their-colleges-go-online-only-this-fa

 

[leftoright]

Absolutely no problem with that. The academic elite are being brought down a peg and that's a good thing. Could American students in China be able to "distance learn" from their computers in Beijing?

 

[Tango Two]

Rutgers to join Harvard, MIT lawsuit challenging ICE rules on international students


Rutgers President Jonathan Holloway announced on Friday the university will join in the lawsuit filed by Harvard University and MIT to block the imposition of new rules for international students.

The new guidance proposed by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, on Monday would prohibit international students from taking course loads that are delivered entirely remotely and would require international students to immediately leave the United States if all of their courses are being delivered remotely.

https://www.mycentraljersey.com/sto...83BxskDXy7PqygLfz76PgR4WOTfR73atQ5geJGzB8cZ4g

 

[leftoright]

Rutgers to join Harvard, MIT lawsuit challenging ICE rules on international students


Rutgers President Jonathan Holloway announced on Friday the university will join in the lawsuit filed by Harvard University and MIT to block the imposition of new rules for international students.

The new guidance proposed by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, on Monday would prohibit international students from taking course loads that are delivered entirely remotely and would require international students to immediately leave the United States if all of their courses are being delivered remotely.

https://www.mycentraljersey.com/sto...83BxskDXy7PqygLfz76PgR4WOTfR73atQ5geJGzB8cZ4g

"The rules are thoughtless"?

 

[Zimm80]

Absolutely no problem with that. The academic elite are being brought down a peg and that's a good thing. Could American students in China be able to "distance learn" from their computers in Beijing?

It’s very simple, if classes are being taught remotely they can participate from their home and still get there degrees if the want no reason to be here.

 

[ElmiraExpress]

It’s very simple, if classes are being taught remotely they can participate from their home and still get there degrees if the want no reason to be here.

but they won’t do that. Why would they? At the graduate level, the international students paying full out-of-state tuition is a major contributor to all Big 10 universities finances. For most STEM programs, over 50% of the students are international, and the masters students dint receive any financial aid so pay full tuition.

 

[ElmiraExpress]

"The rules are thoughtless"?

YES

 

[srru86]

NY Times
17 states join legal effort to block a rule that revokes visas from foreign students taking virtual classes.
Mildly interesting slip on the part of the author.
"About 40 higher education institutions filed declarations in support of the lawsuit, including Yale, DePaul, the University of Chicago, Tufts, Rutgers and state universities in Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Wisconsin."
Of course, we ought to be on the other side of the "and" but hard to get RtSUoNJ in a sentence. It would be worse if they went with state universities in "New Jersey, etc".

 

[RUnTeX]

including Yale, DePaul, the University of Chicago, Tufts, Rutgers and state universities in Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Wisconsin."
Of course, we ought to be on the other side of the "and" but hard to get RtSUoNJ in a sentence. It would be worse if they went with state universities in "New Jersey, etc".

Along these lines, I think the only way it could have been done with the way the sentence was constructed is to have included New Jersey in the series of state names, and it would have been technically accurate but would not have highlighted the Rutgers name, of course.

 

[retired711]

The New York Times reports that the Trump administration has agreed, as part of a law suit settlement, to abandon the new policy.

 

[srru86]

NJTV
Trump administration scraps plan to revoke international student visas

 

[rutgersdave]

https://qz.com/1878251/ices-ruling-could-take-huge-toll-on-us-stem-programs/

ICE ruling already taking a toll on US STEM programs. International students are close to 50% of the graduate computer science program.

The US had started losing students due to Trump’s restrictive immigration policies even before the decision on student visas. For example, the number of Indian graduate students in US computer science and engineering programs fell by 25% in the 2018-2019 academic year compared to the previous year, according to a report published by NFAP in June. Meanwhile, the number of Indians studying in Canada has grown. Indians students attending Canada schools grew from 75k in 2016 to 170k in 2019.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Awesome win for RU and NJ and these students forcing the rule change!

 

[RUnTeX]

https://qz.com/1878251/ices-ruling-could-take-huge-toll-on-us-stem-programs/

ICE ruling already taking a toll on US STEM programs. International students are close to 50% of the graduate computer science program.

The US had started losing students due to Trump’s restrictive immigration policies even before the decision on student visas. For example, the number of Indian graduate students in US computer science and engineering programs fell by 25% in the 2018-2019 academic year compared to the previous year, according to a report published by NFAP in June. Meanwhile, the number of Indians studying in Canada has grown. Indians students attending Canada schools grew from 75k in 2016 to 170k in 2019.

Indeed, Canada has become an extremely popular alternative to the US in a short time for many international students. I don't know the extent of the tech entrepreneurial ecosystem north of the border but if they can leverage the human capital of a portion of these students to stay and be part of the workforce, it should be beneficial to Canada in the long run.

 

[rutgersdave]

Indeed, Canada has become an extremely popular alternative to the US in a short time for many international students. I don't know the extent of the tech entrepreneurial ecosystem north of the border but if they can leverage the human capital of a portion of these students to stay and be part of the workforce, it should be beneficial to Canada in the long run.

This can all be changed if the attitude of the White House can change in the near future.

 

[Caliknight]

https://qz.com/1878251/ices-ruling-could-take-huge-toll-on-us-stem-programs/

ICE ruling already taking a toll on US STEM programs. International students are close to 50% of the graduate computer science program.

The US had started losing students due to Trump’s restrictive immigration policies even before the decision on student visas. For example, the number of Indian graduate students in US computer science and engineering programs fell by 25% in the 2018-2019 academic year compared to the previous year, according to a report published by NFAP in June. Meanwhile, the number of Indians studying in Canada has grown. Indians students attending Canada schools grew from 75k in 2016 to 170k in 2019.

Excellent!

 

[ashokan]

Indeed, Canada has become an extremely popular alternative to the US in a short time for many international students. I don't know the extent of the tech entrepreneurial ecosystem north of the border but if they can leverage the human capital of a portion of these students to stay and be part of the workforce, it should be beneficial to Canada in the long run.

Hopefully they get the spies.

Chinese students ‘shouldn’t be in our schools spying’

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...s-shouldnt-be-our-schools-spying-us-secretary

 

[leftoright]

Change seems to be only Euro students or Asian with H1B1 visas. Difference without much distinction.

 

[rutgersdave]

Change seems to be only Euro students or Asian with H1B1 visas. Difference without much distinction.

Of the 309,986 Indians on H-1B visas in the US this October, only 63,220 or 20.4 per cent are females while nearly 245,517 Indians on H-1B visas or 80 per cent (79.2 per cent to be precise) are males. As many as 1,249 Indians on H-1B visas have been characterised in the category of missing/others.

Indians, who account for 73.9 per cent of the total H-1B visa holders in the US, are followed by a distant Chinese with 47,172 on H-1B visas, accounting for 11.2 per cent of the total foreign ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


85% of H1B visas are Indians or Chinese. I don’t know but I think getting the best and brightest from India and China might be a good thing.

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...pages/trump-executive-order-h1b-visa-ban.aspx

President Donald Trump signed an executive order June 22 restricting foreign nationals from outside the U.S. from using certain temporary employment-based visas through the end of the year and extending a green card ban enacted in April through Dec. 31.

The order freezes access to new H-1B visas used by professional and technology workers; H-4 visas awarded to the spouses of H-1B holders; H-2B visas used by seasonal workers in landscaping and hospitality; L-1 visas for executives and managers transferred within companies; and J-1 visas issued to interns, trainees or people on work-study summer programs.


https://www.quora.com/Why-do-techno...Indian-technologists-engineers-and-developers

Interesting discussion