if the names mentioned for a HC are true Rutgers can't lose

[RUfinal4]

We have heard names like Schiano, Golden, Cristobal, and Rhule

In my opinion all will be good for the program.

Greg runs a tight ship and will put a competitive team on the field. Unless he has become a better coach he should avg 7-5 to 8-4 each year based on his overall .500 record in college. The downside is he was the coach while a number of the upper classmen were recruited so he may not provide a true culture change.

Golden has turned around Temple and changed the culture in Miami. His overall coaching record is similar to Schiano's and should have a similar upside.

Rhule has done an amazing job at Temple but has limited experience outside of Temple. He will be a spark if he comes onboard.

Cristobal was unsuccessful at FIU but with a couple of years at Bama under Saban he is ready to take over a P5 program. His Bama connections will help on the recruiting trail.

Fleck - he has done a good job at Western Michigan but he is a step down from Schiano and the others based on experience. He may have the enthusiasm because he is young but his last 2 jobs before W Michigan were as an assistant to Schiano. If Schiano, Golden, and Cristobal don't work out he can be a good option. The downside is he was involved with the recruitment of some of the current players so it may not be the culture change that is needed.

 

[Pritz99]

How about Schiano with Fleck OC?

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

 

[RcoasterA]

How about Schiano with Fleck OC?

Why would a head coach taking his team bowling 2 seasons in a row want to be OC at RU. Come on man.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Pretty agree with you.

 

[ru75]

Why would a head coach taking his team bowling 2 seasons in a row want to be OC at RU. Come on man.

the ladder of success maybe

 

[Dr. Potato]

Schiano would be fine with a good OC.

Dabo at Clemson is not a great coach. He is a great recruiter and they went out and spent money on good OC and DC, then let them do their jobs.

 

[RU1977]

Would Schiano hire Flood as an OC line coach?

 

[RUfinal4]

Would Schiano hire Flood as an OC line coach?

Flood will not be back at Rutgers within the next 5 to 10 years minimum. You are more likely to see Flood at Monmouth or Stony Brook.

 

[srru86]

Dabo at Clemson is not a great coach. He is a great recruiter and they went out and spent money on good OC and DC, then let them do their jobs.

This is the model we should follow.

 

[srru86]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Who out there can say they have a candidate that can beat a Meyer or a Saban? I don't know that LSU is going to find one. Us less so. Doesn't mean we can't make progress.

 

[MoobyCow]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

If the bar is beating Urban we can just shut it down. I mean that's a ridiculous standard to set, he loses like 1 game a year.

 

[MoobyCow]

Would Schiano hire Flood as an OC line coach?

No. He would not, and from what I understand Flood wouldn't come work for Schiano either.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

LOL, that is an odd opinion not based on facts.

 

[RUtah]

Flood will not be back at Rutgers within the next 5 to 10 years minimum. You are more likely to see Flood at Monmouth or Stony Brook.

More likely to see Flood in a fake mustache and glasses meeting with his kids teachers at Starbucks.

 

[lighty]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Have any of them actually faced Urban yet?

 

[jlariv9]

How about Schiano with Fleck OC?

Has Fleck ever been an OC?? I've heard this more than once, and I wonder why anyone would want Fleck as an OC given his zero experience calling plays.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

why do you say "Cristobal was unsuccessful at FIU" ?
... and let me make it clear that I'm not a Cristobal proponent for HC - he is not a top 2 or 3 choice in my mind for the RU position if all options are open.
But - He took a mess with no legacy and got it to 2 bowl games - got it to "hey, they don't suck" and by the standards that would apply to a school with a history like FIU - that was success.
He then got screwwwed in a blatant political / ego move by the AD

 

[RU-Nick]

Schiano would be "comfort food" for Rutgers and he would be my first choice from a name recognition standpoint. He built this program from the bottom up and NOBODY knows NJ recruiting better than he does from that list. His son also is attending Bucknell if I recall correctly so it sounds like the pieces are coming together.

Cristobal doesn't excite me. Yes he has Rutgers ties but that was 10 years ago and his eye seems to be focused on the FL schools. I don't see him as a guy who would stick around long. He had modest success at FIU but then again they played in the Sunbelt conference so I'm not impressed.

Rhule is an interesting choice but his only stint has been at Temple which was in decent shape when he arrived. A PSU alumn but seems to know his way around the area and I'd be willing to give him a shot. My concern is that he might get poached by the NFL at some point. he came from the NFL I believe and when they call its hard to ignore.

Golden, not impressed with his recruiting or coaching. Other than the fact he's a Jersey guy who rehabbed Temple not much to show for his coaching history. He was getting blown out at Miami with all that talent around him

Fleck, Love the guy and his energy. Would be a star on the recruiting circuit. He has all the right checkmarks except the fact that he would bring the cirrocca and Pinkham show back to RU and those are not good memories (see 2010)

 

[ruman]

Flood will not be back at Rutgers within the next 5 to 10 years minimum. You are more likely to see Flood at Monmouth or Stony Brook.

Why would Monmouth or Stony Brook hire him. Seriously.

 

[PaKnight]

Has Fleck ever been an OC?? I've heard this more than once, and I wonder why anyone would want Fleck as an OC given his zero experience calling plays.

He was the OC at NIU for a day.

 

[RUScrew85]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Let's see how good Ruhle is without 20 seniors starting.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Let's see how good Ruhle is without 20 seniors starting.

And games vs Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Wisconsin, Nebraska.

 

[bitnez]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Outside of Dantonio please tell me who is beating him? Oh that's right, no one. Let's get realistic here. If the focus is to beat the best college coach in the country we are going to lose unless we wrangle away Saban.

 

[devoted2ru]

Would Schiano hire Flood as an OC line coach?

Truthfully, I'd say the chances of that are less than zero.. -Remember, when Schiano left for the pros he took his entire Rutgers staff with him except for Flood, so I think that's a pretty good indication of what GS's opinion was, (and undoubtedly still is), of Flood's coaching abilities.

 

[BigBlockR]

Two of those guys are arguably a downgrade from Flood.

 

[drewbagel423]

Would Schiano hire Flood as an OC line coach?

And why, exactly, would we even want Flood back?

 

[RUskoolie]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Now we're concerned with beating Urban? A weak ago the bar was dropping lower and lower for Flood. But this week the next coach has to beat Urban Meyer?

How about we start with being able to land some NJ recruits again and not get blown out 4-5 times per year? Baby steps.

 

[bitnez]

And why, exactly, would we even want him back?

Forget his name is Schiano. I tell you we have a candidate that coached at a high level for 10+ years, went to bowl games 6/7 years (and won all but one), had wins against 2 top 3 teams, won national coach of the year, has great relationships with NJ coaches, has in roads with Florida coaches, was previously offered the Michigan and Miami jobs and was a HC in the NFL for 2 years and that doesn't move the needle for you???

His resume is so far and away better than anyone else we are considering it's not even close.

BTW, I am not sure he would do any better than 7-8 regular season wins most years with an occasional run at 10 wins (think Iowa). But, I am very realistic. That's the ceiling for this program.

 

[RU31trap]

With the exception of Anthony Davis Schiano was thoroughly out recruited by Florida, Notre Dame and Michigan year in and year out. Our athletic standards were so low when he came on board that we'll give anything to get him back. Why!!!! Perhaps you guys believe that to play at a higher level you would need a coach and recruits with the mindset that would not be tolerated by the administration or alumnus? Let's honestly have a moment of reality here and ask ourselves why would we be against hiring a coach that could conceivably beat and urban Meyer or Dantonio? You see I believe that there is an inherent fear of big time football both by the administration, state and the portion of the alumnus which is why we strive towards a lower level HC.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

They are all pretty much the same guy, you can lump Flood in there too, grown from the same style/background/coaching tree.

 

[jeffro5]

Forget his name is Schiano. I tell you we have a candidate that coached at a high level for 10+ years, went to bowl games 6/7 years (and won all but one), had wins against 2 top 3 teams, won national coach of the year, has great relationships with NJ coaches, has in roads with Florida coaches, was previously offered the Michigan and Miami jobs and was a HC in the NFL for 2 years and that doesn't move the needle for you???

His resume is so far and away better than anyone else we are considering it's not even close.

BTW, I am not sure he would do any better than 7-8 regular season wins most years with an occasional run at 10 wins (think Iowa). But, I am very realistic. That's the ceiling for this program.

Great post!

 

[drewbagel423]

Forget his name is Schiano. I tell you we have a candidate that coached at a high level for 10+ years, went to bowl games 6/7 years (and won all but one), had wins against 2 top 3 teams, won national coach of the year, has great relationships with NJ coaches, has in roads with Florida coaches, was previously offered the Michigan and Miami jobs and was a HC in the NFL for 2 years and that doesn't move the needle for you???

His resume is so far and away better than anyone else we are considering it's not even close.

BTW, I am not sure he would do any better than 7-8 regular season wins most years with an occasional run at 10 wins (think Iowa). But, I am very realistic. That's the ceiling for this program.

Sorry I should've been more clear. I was posing the question to the poster asking about taking Flood back, not Schiano.

 

[bitnez]

Sorry I should've been more clear. I was posing the question to the poster asking about taking Flood back, not Schiano.

No worries. It's funny I find myself pushing for Schiano on the board the past couple days. When he was here he would drive me nuts. I was ok when he left. But, I see what else is out there and he is clearly the best candidate. I also have been humbled by the Flood years and have come to accept that we are never going to be an elite program. But, we can be very respectable and make a run every 4-5 years. IMO, he gives us the best shot to do that.

 

[RUforester72]

Other than Rhule, none of these men are going to beat Urban and you can take that to the bank.

Haven't you heard? The bank was shut down yesterday!

 

[drewbagel423]

No worries. It's funny I find myself pushing for Schiano on the board the past couple days. When he was here he would drive me nuts. I was ok when he left. But, I see what else is out there and he is clearly the best candidate. I also have been humbled by the Flood years and have come to accept that we are never going to be an elite program. But, we can be very respectable and make a run every 4-5 years. IMO, he gives us the best shot to do that.

I echo pretty much everything you said.

 

[jor22]

Golden is Flood with a tie. Please no.

 

[JHG722]

Let's see how good Ruhle is without 20 seniors starting.

QB Walker
RB Jahad
WR Bryant
WR Jennings
TE Thompson/Patton
LT Dawkins
RG Carter

LB Marshall
LB Alwan
DE Martin-Oguike
DE Reddick
NT Robinson
CB Chandler

All returning.

McGowan @ C for Friend
Nate L Smith @ S for Hayes
Sharif Finch @ DE for Ioannidis

All started multiple games.

Khiry Lucas and Anthony Davis, 2 potential starters in the secondary redshirting with injuries. Anthony Davis or Kareem Ali starts at CB, taking over for Tavon Young. Khiry Lucas, Jyquis Thomas, or Delvon Randall starts at S, taking over for Alex Wells.

We need to figure out 1 LB for sure, as that is a very big loss.
As far as OL, Ahmed and Lofton aren't big losses. Leon Johnson, Semaj Reed, Jovahn Fair, James McHale, Jaelin Robinson, Aaron Ruff are fully capable of filling 2 starting OL spots, and very likely are all upgrades on the OL.

I'm not sure where this narrative came from that we lose all of our starters.

 

[Beancounter88]

With the exception of Anthony Davis Schiano was thoroughly out recruited by Florida, Notre Dame and Michigan year in and year out. Our athletic standards were so low when he came on board that we'll give anything to get him back. Why!!!! Perhaps you guys believe that to play at a higher level you would need a coach and recruits with the mindset that would not be tolerated by the administration or alumnus? Let's honestly have a moment of reality here and ask ourselves why would we be against hiring a coach that could conceivably beat and urban Meyer or Dantonio? You see I believe that there is an inherent fear of big time football both by the administration, state and the portion of the alumnus which is why we strive towards a lower level HC.

That's ridiculous. You don't think GS's recruiting was hamstrung by being in the Big East? All you need to do is check all of the NFL players that GS recruited or coached, or you could just look at the starting defense of the NE Patriots. I, for one, would be very interested to see what recruits he could land being in the B1G.

 

[RU31trap]

That's ridiculous. You don't think GS's recruiting was hamstrung by being in the Big East? All you need to do is check all of the NFL players that GS recruited or coached, or you could just look at the starting defense of the NE Patriots. I, for one, would be very interested to see what recruits he could land being in the B1G.

I respectfully disagree. I did an analysis once and with the exception of AD he (Schiano) was never able to recruit a top 100 athletes from NJ, NY or PA. He put several players in the NFL over his 10 years stint at Rutgers but let's please put it in perspective. Listen, he is adored by many of the older fans because he (Schiano) gave them a warm feeling that "we're going to win doing it the right way". They were perfectly fine with 7-5 seasons and the occasional 10-2 season. WE GET IT. But not every fan young and old subscribes to this notion that mediocrity with the occasional season where he excels is ok. Schiano got his butt kicked every year by Rich Rodriguez and Brian Kelly, even when it counted most Edsall beat him. He also never won a BE title. There are coaches out there that can recruit much better than Schiano and there are coaches out there that would make him look pedestrian on game day. Let's set our sights a little higher if money is truly no issue. What do you think?