If you didn't realize it (EDIT) almost 1/3rd of our "offensive" output came...

[AreYouNUTS]

...on the final drive of the game. We had 165 for the game. 55 on that drive. 50 on a single play (that should have been broken up by the DB). THINK ABOUT THAT for a second, everyone, than go have a beer, glass of wine, cocktail, frozen drink, shot, or whatever it is that floats your boat.

:(

 

[Metropolitans3]

It's not tripling it, but get your point and it's valid. The last drive increased it by 50%.

9 attempts in the first half, 3 completed for 25 yds tells you all you need to know. Wisconsin is known for their lines, so let's over power them...

 

[PeteGiam07]

So does wisky have starters in for the final drive too?

 

[RUtix4me]

...on the final drive of the game. We had 165 for the game. 55 on that drive. 50 on a single play (that should have been broken up by the DB). THINK ABOUT THAT for a second, everyone, than go have a beer, glass of wine, cocktail, frozen drink, shot, or whatever it is that floats your boat.

:(

We would have needed 200 yrds on the final drive to triple our output, dramatic title, but just a that..."time to than go have a beer"

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It's not tripling it, but get your point and it's valid. The last drive increased it by 50%.

9 attempts in the first half, 3 completed for 25 yds tells you all you need to know. Wisconsin is known for their lines, so let's over power them...

OOOPS yeah that's what I meant LOL! Sorry guys, I'll change it, burned out this weekend still working!

 

[slyker]

So does wisky have starters in for the final drive too?

Another interesting stat: That final drive accumulated 9 times the total yardage of the combined yardage accumulated in the first two drives of the 4th quarter while Rettig was leading the team against the Wisconsin starters ( 0 total yards in first series, 6 total yards in second series)

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Another interesting stat: That final drive accumulated 9 times the total yardage of the combined yardage accumulated in the first two drives of the 4th quarter while Rettig was leading the team against the Wisconsin starters ( 0 total yards in first series, 6 total yards in second series)

Essentially, if Rettig doesn't put the ball right in Agudosi's hands, or the DB makes the play, we (likely) finish the game with less than 120 yards of offense. Ouch.

 

[lighty]

Another interesting stat: That final drive accumulated 9 times the total yardage of the combined yardage accumulated in the first two drives of the 4th quarter while Rettig was leading the team against the Wisconsin starters ( 0 total yards in first series, 6 total yards in second series)

I hope you realize that virtually ALL of the points you've made AGAINST Rettig would have far more validity if Laviano had done ANYTHING at all during the game, don't you?

 

[slyker]

Essentially, if Rettig doesn't put the ball right in Agudosi's hands, or the DB makes the play, we (likely) finish the game with less than 120 yards of offense. Ouch.

Yup.. Offensive output would have been much different if Laviano and rettig would have played the whole game against the defense that was on the field for that last drive.

 

[slyker]

I hope you realize that virtually ALL of the points you've made AGAINST Rettig would have far more validity if Laviano had done ANYTHING at all during the game, don't you?

The point is. Rettig was no more effective than Laviano under similar circumstances. Where anyone thinks this unequivocally demonstrates he should supplant the 1 is seriously mistaken.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

154 of 293, against OSU, came on the 1st and last drives of the game.

 

[ArminRU]

The point is. Rettig was no more effective than Laviano under similar circumstances. Where anyone thinks this unequivocally demonstrates he should supplant the 1 is seriously mistaken.

I think Rettig looked much better back there. He stands tall in the pocket, looks downfield, has better pocket presence and can really whip the ball around.

 

[Plum Street]

I don't know if rettig is better than Laviano ,but the Laviano offense is putrid . At least give rettig a chance to be less putrid

 

[RutgersMO]

I think Rettig looked much better back there. He stands tall in the pocket, looks downfield, has better pocket presence and can really whip the ball around.

Yeah ....so I'm sure you understand why Flood won't play him in the first three quarters: he might do something!~

MO

 

[slyker]

I think Rettig looked much better back there. He stands tall in the pocket, looks downfield, has better pocket presence and can really whip the ball around.

So what you are saying is that you want our coaching staff to change the starter based on guy who "stands taller in the pocket, and really whips the ball around"

Despite the fact that they have witnessed thousands of practice reps that none of us have any knowledge of, by which they based their selection on

And two series from the backup in a comparative environment in which he led the team to two punts and 6 total yards gained

 

[AreYouNUTS]

So what you are saying is that you want our coaching staff to change the starter based on guy who "stands taller in the pocket, and really whips the ball around"

Despite the fact that they have witnessed thousands of practice reps that none of us have any knowledge of, by which they based their selection on

And two series from the backup in a comparative environment in which he led the team to two punts and 6 total yards gained

Listen, I get where you're coming from, I really do, but at some point you've GOT to change something that simply isn't working, regardless of opponent, and sticking with your
#1 guy just "because we decided, before the game, we WOULDN'T MAKE A CHANGE until the 4th quarter," is just plain old pig-headed dumb.

 

[cohwx]

Guy sits on the bench the whole game, comes in in the 4th quarter when we're down by about 40 points...how can anyone make a negative judgement on him based on that? Team was probably checked out for the most part. But, two weeks in a row under the same circumstances, he managed to complete a play that went for more yards than anything Laviano had done.

Give him a start against a Big 10 team, then we can make a valid comparison.

If you're satisfied with the Laviano-led offense, I don't know what to say...

 

[lighty]

The point is. Rettig was no more effective than Laviano under similar circumstances. Where anyone thinks this unequivocally demonstrates he should supplant the 1 is seriously mistaken.

Hate to say it but you are wrong in so many ways here. First off, how are they similar situations?

1) Laviano starts the game when the outcome is still possible for a win, Rettig only sees the field long after the game is out of reach. To be honest, they looked like they had already quite when he came in against Wisconsin. IMO, it's far easier to get players to play their best when they think the game can be won.

2) Laviano has had successes with Carroo and generally sucked without him. Rettig has NEVER had a chance to throw a single pass to the team's best receiver.

3) Laviano has the benefit of making mistakes during the game and knowing he will NEVER be replaced. Rettig feels he has to be perfect in order to possible get a few minutes of time on the field in the next game.

4) Laviano can fumble, throw interceptions, spike the ball on fourth down yet people like you will blast Rettig for tripping on the field.

5) Rettig HAS CERTAINLY BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE. We've had three, maybe four drives that have come close to scoring in the past two games and Rettig led us to two of them in about 90% less time. I'd say he was more effective. I could care less if Laviano goes 20 of 21 (which he hasn't come close to in the past few games) if he fails to score. He's had all the opportunity in the world and hasn't scored more than 3 points in the last two games.

Anyone can say Rettig may not be better than Laviano, but we do not know. We do know that Laviano has NOT been playing better than Rettig. The stat sheet proves that.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Don't worry the #'s 61, 91, and 92 D's in the nation are just around the corner!

LOL it's crazy but, by year's end, we may well have played:

- 5 Total D's between 90th and 127th (Nebraska, Mary, Wazzou(jumped a bit this week playing at home in the rain but were 89th last week), IU, and KU)

- 4 Total D's between 1 and 20 (PSU, OSU, Mich, Wiscy)

..and only 2 between 40'ish and 70'ish (not including FCS game).


*** only 14 of the 37 D's, from 90-127, are P5 schools and we will (likely) have played 5 of them while 1 is, well, us.

 

[devoted2ru]

Despite the fact that they have witnessed thousands of practice reps that none of us have any knowledge of, by which they based their selection on

You've made this kind of comment quite a few times, but haven't you ever read statements by coaches and players that you can never really duplicate actual game conditions in practice? You can try to make it as close as possible, but real game action is much faster and much more unpredictable.

Also, there are some guys who are "practice players", that is, they look good Monday to Friday, and then there are others who only really shine on Saturdays when the pads are put on in a situation that really counts in terms of wins and losses.

I have no idea if Rettig would significantly outperform Laviano if given the chance, but he's never been given that chance. He's never been allowed to play a full game against a quality opponent from start to finish, and with the more than questionable decision making of our current HC, how anyone can have absolute blind faith that the right decision is being made regarding HR's role is really quite amazing.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

The point is. Rettig was no more effective than Laviano under similar circumstances. Where anyone thinks this unequivocally demonstrates he should supplant the 1 is seriously mistaken.

We have not SEEN Rettig given a chance to perform under "similar circumstances", i.e. with the outcome of the game up for grabs and Carroo in the lineup. We have SEEN that Laviano has been totally unable to lead the offense to more than 3 points against the three strongest defenses he's faced. We face another very strong defense this Saturday. Remind me again: what's the definition of insanity?

"Gee, maybe it will work this time now that Chris had a few more reps in the 3rd quarter against Wisconsin last week. That'll surely get him over the top and get us scoring points at Michigan."

Does anybody believe that at this point?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

While I think Rettig deserved more opportunity, I do not think Laviano has been done any favors in play-calling. Hell, I'd love to see the staff ask Laviano and his fellow players to design a series of plays they want to run. I have no idea if this happens or if it would improve things.. but it cannot get worse, can it?

 

[mikefla]

Many coaches will play the 2nd and 3rd QBs just to evaluate them......I dont like Tom Brady but it sure looks like he should have started at Mich instead of sitting the bench......................we SHOULD get a good look at Rettig.......not much to lose now.....a bowl looks out of reach.......maybe Rettig can jumpstart the team....but we will never know.....