Indiana Tom Allen on NIL
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Yes, it was about Indiana but the message was crystal clear, did you listen to all 8 minutes?!
Two more replies to the original tweet:
The second reply tweet above nails it for a lot of fans. There are many who have given thousands, and some, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to support their football team in an effort to compete the arms race to have fancier locker rooms, lounges, weight rooms, field houses, etc. At least with the money "invested" in those types of tangible items, the fans can see and perhaps feel that there is a return on their investment, because facilities provide equipment and direct support to develop football players.
Par for the course for the NCAA to adopt rules for a system that moves the goalposts and helps the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
And now we are to listen to the 78 rpm ramblings of a head coach who has produced exactly two winning seasons in seven years of college coaching, waxing poetic that his losing is the fault of the fans' failure to contribute to collectives? Comical.
Here's an idea, Tom Allen. Donate half of your compensation to a collective, and then you will have 16 players who can be paid $150,000/year, and then watch a blue blood like Ohio State, Michigan, etc poach them away one or two years later after investing time and money developing those players. If that's "illegal" find a way to legally do it.
The B1G members will be receiving in the neighborhood of $70-80 million/year in media rights starting in 2024. Perhaps the B1G and other P5 members can figure out a way to direct some of that money to the players, instead of pointing their fingers at the fans, who have invested large sums of money over many years to see little reward for that investment, to move their money to NIL collectives where they will get what? A poster of a player or an appearance at their business? A long shot at landing a kid who may or may not pan out to be a star player, and if he becomes a star player, to watch the player bolt for more money? Sounds like a worst investment than FTX.
The second reply tweet above nails it for a lot of fans. There are many who have given thousands, and some, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to support their football team in an effort to compete the arms race to have fancier locker rooms, lounges, weight rooms, field houses, etc. At least with the money "invested" in those types of tangible items, the fans can see and perhaps feel that there is a return on their investment, because facilities provide equipment and direct support to develop football players.
Par for the course for the NCAA to adopt rules for a system that moves the goalposts and helps the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
And now we are to listen to the 78 rpm ramblings of a head coach who has produced exactly two winning seasons in seven years of college coaching, waxing poetic that his losing is the fault of the fans' failure to contribute to collectives? Comical.
Here's an idea, Tom Allen. Donate half of your compensation to a collective, and then you will have 16 players who can be paid $150,000/year, and then watch a blue blood like Ohio State, Michigan, etc poach them away one or two years later after investing time and money developing those players. If that's "illegal" find a way to legally do it.
The B1G members will be receiving in the neighborhood of $70-80 million/year in media rights starting in 2024. Perhaps the B1G and other P5 members can figure out a way to direct some of that money to the players, instead of pointing their fingers at the fans, who have invested large sums of money over many years to see little reward for that investment, to move their money to NIL collectives where they will get what? A poster of a player or an appearance at their business? A long shot at landing a kid who may or may not pan out to be a star player, and if he becomes a star player, to watch the player bolt for more money? Sounds like a worst investment than FTX.
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Sure did. See above. It helped me (and probably a lot of other fans) realize that this may be futile. Let the universities figure it out. This ATM is tapped out until the NCAA, the conferences and the universities figure this out to not be a pay for play system. We can respectfully disagree here, but this whole system is rigged for the blue bloods, as usual. No amount of blaming the AD will help, and IMO, it will do more to hurt. On that point, why is Tom Allen the mouthpiece for Indiana?
I agree wholeheartedly let the coaches contribute to NIL until this entire process gets overhauled..
I don’t think he’s the mouthpiece of Indiana he’s just calling it like he sees it similar to what Schiano said during the #B1G meetings..
Wild Wild West which we could all agree on.
Wild Wild West which we could all agree on.
Blaming the STH’s for not giving more money to the program is surely a recipe for failure for a HC.
Poaching season for RU players begins after the final whistle of the Maryland game next Saturday.
Poaching season for RU players begins after the final whistle of the Maryland game next Saturday.
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Huh? That is basically the same message Schiano has recently been pushing, and he's had less success to date in the B1G than this clown. So riddle me this, why weren't you as tough on Schiano as this clown?
Its only going to get worse before it gets better. I saw where a group of 10 players including Michigan's Hunter Dickenson is petitioning the NCAA (or maybe someone else) to grant players revenue sharing from TV deals. Of course their conditions include being able to retain full NIL benefits as well.
Don't kill Allen as he is just the messenger for those programs who are going to struggle under the current framework. Part of the solution is to address spiraling coaches salaries. Why should college coaches have better deals than their pro counterparts? Fans did not create this problem and should not be responsible for fixing it. Could not be a bigger turn off for me.
Don't kill Allen as he is just the messenger for those programs who are going to struggle under the current framework. Part of the solution is to address spiraling coaches salaries. Why should college coaches have better deals than their pro counterparts? Fans did not create this problem and should not be responsible for fixing it. Could not be a bigger turn off for me.
All coaches will complain and always want or need more be it facilities and now NIL. That's nothing new. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a coach who doesn't want more of whatever it is.
I've said it before this is just more of the same dynamics that have always existed. Schools that have had more still will and schools that didn't still won't. If anything I see more expanded opportunity at the top and on down. Alabama is finally showing some small chinks in the armor these last couple years and this is with Saban still there. See teams like TCU fighting up there, Tenn is a new face. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Illinois doing things they haven't done in a long time up to a decade. Oregon state back to back bowls and possibly 8 wins. WF, a step back this year but also doing things they haven't ever these last few years. I don't see the doom and gloom of others, I just see opportunity as good as it's ever been.
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wouldnt it be something if Bezos paid all the top players NIL money to play at Princeton.
wouldnt it be something if Bezos paid all the top players NIL money to play at Princeton.
Your term “Fan ATM” is spot on.
ADs aren’t held accountable because Fans have been giving them annual bailouts for years/decades (see Nebraska firing HC Frost weeks earlier because fans gave money).
Skip to 2026
I can already see the begging:
HC Schiano has been killing it and put Rutgers Football back on the map.
But…..it contract time. Fans need to step up and find his top of the BIG contract. If fans don’t step up, he’s going to be poached by a blue blood school.
Or….HC Schiano has flopped l. Unfortunately he’s not getting it done. But we can’t afford his buyout. Fans need to step up and find the buyout and then contribute towards the new coaches contract.
Well it often comes down to the "consumer" one way or another. Same for big business, the cost is always passed on. In the case of athletics as a consumer, the question becomes is the money being used wisely? Too often the answer is no.
If you're paying the money and you're seeing results you can sort of live with it but if you're paying money and it's just frittered away without results then it's harder to stomach or continue.
one of the problems Rutgers had over the years was the lack of financial donations by the fans and public, versus the other major programs
the advent of NIL does not help RU, did not help RU....
all it does it show that weakness in an even more visible way, and puts us further behind
Many said, from the start, including myself, that the NIL would not be something RU could take advantage of...
the best we could do is to hope to just keep pace with the programs that were near our equal......
a program like Michigan state got it done with maybe two billion-aire donors...
that is what RU would need...
.while the program could be aided by increased NIL donations spread out over the STH, we will never get where we need to be to compete big time with that alone
One issue with NIL and pay to play for players is the lack of a contract. Professional sports sign or draft a player, pay that player, and the player is under contract with that team for x number of years.
Having fans pay for players with no contract linking them to the team is insane. We pay for a player there should be some contract in place to keep that player at the school for 2-3-4 years.
The NCAA can’t allow pay to play NIL nonsense and free uncapped transferring. It’s an awful arrangement for the fan/consumer.
If a player wants to accept NIL payment it should be under a contract that links the player for a minimum of 2 seasons. That would be a start.
Having fans pay for players with no contract linking them to the team is insane. We pay for a player there should be some contract in place to keep that player at the school for 2-3-4 years.
The NCAA can’t allow pay to play NIL nonsense and free uncapped transferring. It’s an awful arrangement for the fan/consumer.
If a player wants to accept NIL payment it should be under a contract that links the player for a minimum of 2 seasons. That would be a start.
“Employee” agreements (terms, considerations) and team caps need to be brought into a structured and enforced organization.
Call it NCAA 2.0 or whatever. But the changes brought on by the athletes and courts do not fit the amateur model anymore. This is professional sports. Need to organize and govern it as such.
This includes coaches salaries and abilities to leave. Scheduling. Transfers. Re haul it all.
I have no doubt the current model will come to an ugly crash at some point soon.
Call it NCAA 2.0 or whatever. But the changes brought on by the athletes and courts do not fit the amateur model anymore. This is professional sports. Need to organize and govern it as such.
This includes coaches salaries and abilities to leave. Scheduling. Transfers. Re haul it all.
I have no doubt the current model will come to an ugly crash at some point soon.
He’s right
Two main things
1. Regulation is needed
2. Right now it’s the Wild West, things will eventually settle down once policies are in place and big donors aren’t getting ROI they initially envisioned
Gavin is on NIL
Caleb from hoops on NIL
Caleb leads us to final 4, is it still **** NIL? Remove banner, strip us of wins, go back to 3/4K crowds at the Rac?
Doubtful. We’d be lauding him (rightfully so) for the next 50 years
We sold our soul to the devil once we joined the big ten. College sports is a business what are we like it or not
At the end of the day, flags fly forever.
If Caleb, who is on an NIL deal and wasn’t coming back without said deal, leads us far in the tournament, nobody will give a shit about NIL
Two main things
1. Regulation is needed
2. Right now it’s the Wild West, things will eventually settle down once policies are in place and big donors aren’t getting ROI they initially envisioned
Gavin is on NIL
Caleb from hoops on NIL
Caleb leads us to final 4, is it still **** NIL? Remove banner, strip us of wins, go back to 3/4K crowds at the Rac?
Doubtful. We’d be lauding him (rightfully so) for the next 50 years
We sold our soul to the devil once we joined the big ten. College sports is a business what are we like it or not
At the end of the day, flags fly forever.
If Caleb, who is on an NIL deal and wasn’t coming back without said deal, leads us far in the tournament, nobody will give a shit about NIL
I’m not paying for kids to make a few hundred grand to play college football. And still lose to half the conference.
If I’m going to watch pros, I’ll watch the best ones who make it to the NFL.
This is all so dumb.
If I’m going to watch pros, I’ll watch the best ones who make it to the NFL.
This is all so dumb.
I don’t think NIL creates competitive imbalance. The hierarchy was already fixed in place. Universities that invested in football heavily many decades before RU have more fans, bigger stadiums, additive exposure etc and that mountain of disadvantage existed before NIL.
NIL disparity is the effect, not the cause. It certainly doesn’t level the playing field, but is not the problem.
But hey, at least we can afford to pay our coach 4 million a year. That’s good, right ?
NIL disparity is the effect, not the cause. It certainly doesn’t level the playing field, but is not the problem.
But hey, at least we can afford to pay our coach 4 million a year. That’s good, right ?
The NIL and unrestricted player compensation are the worst things to happen to happen schools without large donor / booster bases. As noted above, it's the wild west out there. Certain players have opened up their recruitments to the highest bidders. For example, if a school offers $50,000 for a recruit, that recruit will go to other schools for higher bids with several schools giving higher and higher offers for the recruit. Memphis just purchased a No. 5 recruiting class in mens basketball.
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A Pro league without the top-down regulation and powerful league office of all other pro leagues. A Pro league without player contracts or unions, a draft or anything much to encourage parity. A pro league without stable conferences where the conferences can raid and destroy each other, and the teams themselves get to make part of their schedule.
What could go wrong? Libertarians take note: this is what happens in the absence of regulations and authority. No other sports league operates this way for a reason, for many reasons. It's uncompetitive and absurd--5 and 7 teams going to bowl games. Programs have invested millions only to find themselves out in the cold because of yet another conference realignment. Donations to support it all.
What could go wrong? Libertarians take note: this is what happens in the absence of regulations and authority. No other sports league operates this way for a reason, for many reasons. It's uncompetitive and absurd--5 and 7 teams going to bowl games. Programs have invested millions only to find themselves out in the cold because of yet another conference realignment. Donations to support it all.
I actually think this is the right solution (although fundamentally, I don't think players should be paid beyond what they already received -- a college education that their non-athletic peers are sinking into debt for). It's exactly what the whole NIL movement is about -- sharing the profits with the players. Throw it into a revenue sharing pool and divide it evenly.
Not even the most extreme player advocates ever advocated bags of money, provided by boosters, appearing on the doorsteps of players, in return for doing nothing.
This fits the so-called problem...
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As I said in a post above, it all seems like a scheme where you never get any return on investment. Cryptocurrency would be a less risky investment than pouring money to be used to lure recruits here to play.
a middle of the road program with one or two very rich donors can make a difference
examples of that might be rare, but there will be instances
rumors have it that Michigan state is possibly flipping someone verballed elsewhere, a player from NJ we would have killed for..... I am sure that an even bigger NIL is a big part of it.
Pre NIL, this player might not have verballed to the first program, who could provide a substantial NIL.....without NIL he probably does not flip from
whatever program he would choose first...
Amen! What's even worse is that the NIL payments are payable year-to-year. So if it costs a program $100,000 for a 4 star player to commit, may end up costing the program $400,000 before the player graduates.
Seeing significant players from the football and basketball team leave for "greener pastures" just might be the thing that destroys my interest in the success of Rutgers football and basketball.
And college football and basketball in general.
And college football and basketball in general.
And essentially having to re-recruit that player each year. If he’s good, he‘ll probably get better NIL offers each offseason. Imagine being a big donor and being held hostage every year by a 19 year old football player — that’s what will ultimately reverse the current NIL trends. Enough donors seeing their money going into black holes and eventually saying ‘no more.’
It's time to carve football and basketball out of the athletic departments and make them part of marketing.
Pay the players salaries and don't expect them to go to class. If they want to be educated, have them apply like anyone else.
The jig is up. Schiano makes $4MM a year. Have him invest in his players because he's really investing in his career which will make him more money. Think of it as his own small business.
Pay the players salaries and don't expect them to go to class. If they want to be educated, have them apply like anyone else.
The jig is up. Schiano makes $4MM a year. Have him invest in his players because he's really investing in his career which will make him more money. Think of it as his own small business.
Although a friend pointed out to me this morning that I might be forgetting about Mike Rosario, Eli Carter, Dahntay Jones, and Todd Billett.
And the OL that left for Ohio State a few years back.
It goes both ways and always has been.
Cam Spencer transfered in for "greener pastures" and people are predicting him for All-BIG after 3 games.
