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Indiana Tom Allen on NIL

I’m not paying for kids to make a few hundred grand to play college football. And still lose to half the conference.

If I’m going to watch pros, I’ll watch the best ones who make it to the NFL.

This is all so dumb.
Ok than stop complaining about field performance and recruiting.

Thanks.
 
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Seeing significant players from the football and basketball team leave for "greener pastures" just might be the thing that destroys my interest in the success of Rutgers football and basketball.
And college football and basketball in general.
Light up another high quality blunt and you will feel much better about RU and NIL. 😀
 
Light up another high quality blunt and you will feel much better about RU and NIL. 😀
I've tried so many times, but it doesn't help all that much.
If we could just recruit five or six four-star recruits for this class. And not lose anyone of significance to free agency....the high will be much, much better.
 
Maybe when Rutgers selects a vendor for ANYTHING.. it needs to see if said vendor donates to.. er.. "supports".. Rutgers in any way.

Yeah.. that is a sketchy idea.. a way to leverage Rutgers spending for.. well, ANYTHING.. to cycle money they will pay to said vendor and see some of it come back to support Rutgers.. in one way or another (NIL).

How many politicians do we have in this state who have done similar things. We should be experts at it. Tap the old UMDNJ folk to figure out how to do it.
 
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The second reply tweet above nails it for a lot of fans. There are many who have given thousands, and some, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to support their football team in an effort to compete the arms race to have fancier locker rooms, lounges, weight rooms, field houses, etc. At least with the money "invested" in those types of tangible items, the fans can see and perhaps feel that there is a return on their investment, because facilities provide equipment and direct support to develop football players.

Par for the course for the NCAA to adopt rules for a system that moves the goalposts and helps the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

And now we are to listen to the 78 rpm ramblings of a head coach who has produced exactly two winning seasons in seven years of college coaches, waxing poetic that his losing is the fault of the fans failure to contribute to collectives? Comical.

Here's an idea, Tom Allen. Donate half of your compensation to a collective, and then you will have 16 players who can be paid $150,000/year, and then watch a blue blood like Ohio State, Michigan, etc poach them away one or two years later after investing time and money developing those players. If that's "illegal" find a way to legally do it.

The B1G members will be receiving in the neighborhood of $70-80 million/year in media rights starting in 2024. Perhaps the B1G and other P5 members can figure out a way to direct some of that money to the players, instead of pointing their fingers at the fans, who have invested large sums of money over many years to see little reward for that investment, to move their money to NIL collectives where they will get what? A poster of a player or an appearance at their business? A long shot at landing a kid who may or may not pan out to be a star player, and if he becomes a star player, to watch the player bolt for more money? Sounds like a worst investment than FTX.
This post couldn't be more spot on. As quoted above, I am tired of being told how to be a fan. That sums it up better than anything I have seen. It's honestly sickening. Rutgers will bring in $75+ million in TV revenues - per year - going forward. That's more than enough. Figure out a way to make it work on that. We are in one of the two most lucrative conferences in the country. One of the top 30 or so school's in that regard. Enough already. Beyond that, I am sick and tired of being told how as a fan how I need to do more. No thanks. How about the NCAA figures out how to grow a set and bring some rules to this anarchy, and the schools and conferences figure out a way to work with the incompetent NCAA to use some of these revenues to address the NIL problem. And maybe take away scholarships if this is where we are going. The whole things sucks. I am just really tired of dumping even more on the fans than they are already doing. What other successful sports entity operates that way? Try none. If this is really about dollars and cents, then schools should have no obligations to support non revenue sports. Both positions can't co-exist. NIL is sucking the life out of one of my greatest passions. It's sad, but I would rather let it all burn if this is what it now takes.
 
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One issue with NIL and pay to play for players is the lack of a contract. Professional sports sign or draft a player, pay that player, and the player is under contract with that team for x number of years.
Having fans pay for players with no contract linking them to the team is insane. We pay for a player there should be some contract in place to keep that player at the school for 2-3-4 years.
The NCAA can’t allow pay to play NIL nonsense and free uncapped transferring. It’s an awful arrangement for the fan/consumer.

If a player wants to accept NIL payment it should be under a contract that links the player for a minimum of 2 seasons. That would be a start.
FWIW I plan to do an NIL deal when the season ends with my business and I drew up a marketing contract. If you sit out a bowl game, post season game are ineligible, you don't get paid.

I just can't give NIL to a high school kid. IDGAS what their ranking is. Imagine giving Micah Clark 100k? Good God that would be worse than buying NFTs or crypto.
 
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FWIW I plan to do an NIL deal when the season ends with my business and I drew up a marketing contract. If you sit out a bowl game, post season game are ineligible, you don't get paid.

I just can't give NIL to a high school kid. IDGAS what their ranking is. Imagine giving Micah Clark 100k? Good God that would be worse than buying NFTs or crypto.

Would you rather your money go towards the approx $15m paid to HC Chris Ash?

It’s not like the AD is exactly wisely spending your money now.
 
Sure did. See above. It helped me (and probably a lot of other fans) realize that this may be futile. Let the universities figure it out. This ATM is tapped out until the NCAA, the conferences and the universities figure this out to not be a pay for play system. We can respectfully disagree here, but this whole system is rigged for the blue bloods, as usual. No amount of blaming the AD will help, and IMO, it will do more to hurt. On that point, why is Tom Allen the mouthpiece for Indiana?

Exactly. This ATM is tapped out too. As a matter of fact can I get back all that money I wasted helping to build those facilities that were SOOOO important a couple of years ago?

F it. I'll watch the soccer team.
 
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I actually think this is the right solution (although fundamentally, I don't think players should be paid beyond what they already received -- a college education that their non-athletic peers are sinking into debt for). It's exactly what the whole NIL movement is about -- sharing the profits with the players. Throw it into a revenue sharing pool and divide it evenly.

Not even the most extreme player advocates ever advocated bags of money, provided by boosters, appearing on the doorsteps of players, in return for doing nothing.

This fits the so-called problem...

Are they killing the Golden Goose? I think so.
 
Amen! What's even worse is that the NIL payments are payable year-to-year. So if it costs a program $100,000 for a 4 star player to commit, may end up costing the program $400,000 before the player graduates.

Before he graduates from which program? Maybe it $300K and three years and a final AA year for $200K somewhere else.
 
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Although a friend pointed out to me this morning that I might be forgetting about Mike Rosario, Eli Carter, Dahntay Jones, and Todd Billett.
And the OL that left for Ohio State a few years back.
OL Jonah Jackson
Also a good OL Mike Maietta (sp?) to Missouri.
 
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Are they killing the Golden Goose? I think so.
Amen. There's gonna maybe be a couple dozen programs that can compete in football... MAX. You can argue that is true now.. but teh feeling you can catch a great year.. like Cinci last year.. and others, rarely, in the pre-MNC and CFP games... but after, say, maybe 10 years where every P5 team in the 12-team CFP is a major NIL player.. what will all teh programs struggling to attract NIL $$$ players think? What will their past and current DONORS think?

I think a good number will go the "why bother?" route.

Everyone could see it.. that the various "pay the players" movements including NIL were totally supported by the major players in the BIG MONEY programs and conferences.

I looked at it this way. Once upon a time.. teh big money programs shelled out scholarships like candy.. they could stack the bench with no scholarship limits. Then teh 85 schollies and 25-in-one-year limits were enacted and that weakened the power teams... brought about a little parity. So they put money into facilities to attract players (and, of course, the brown bags and hire their family and friends, etc). But to be able to LEGALLY pay the players? They LOVED that idea. And they got what they needed in NIL.
 
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Hahaha ... these dopes at Indiana clearly haven't heard about the lucrative t-shirt and NFT businesses that have NILs flush with cash all over the conference.
 
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Amen. There's gonna maybe be a couple dozen programs that can compete in football... MAX. You can argue that is true now.. but teh feeling you can catch a great year.. like Cinci last year.. and others, rarely, in the pre-MNC and CFP games... but after, say, maybe 10 years where every P5 team in the 12-team CFP is a major NIL player.. what will all teh programs struggling to attract NIL $$$ players think? What will their past and current DONORS think?

I think a good number will go the "why bother?" route.

Everyone could see it.. that the various "pay the players" movements including NIL were totally supported by the major players in the BIG MONEY programs and conferences.

I looked at it this way. Once upon a time.. teh big money programs shelled out scholarships like candy.. they could stack the bench with no scholarship limits. Then teh 85 schollies and 25-in-one-year limits were enacted and that weakened the power teams... brought about a little parity. So they put money into facilities to attract players (and, of course, the brown bags and hire their family and friends, etc). But to be able to LEGALLY pay the players? They LOVED that idea. And they got what they needed in NIL.

But I thought this was all about Luke Nathan being able to run a basketball camp???

I also think we are mixing issues. Pressure from coaches and ADs because the collectives are separate and apart from the school athletic department. RU happens to have more than 1 so we don’t have our own act together to single approach.

Also waiting for there to be a Title IX complaint about equal access to money. Which is why revenue sharing is the ticket.

RUAD should be donating a portion of its media revenues to the collective.
 
Would you rather your money go towards the approx $15m paid to HC Chris Ash?

It’s not like the AD is exactly wisely spending your money now.
You have always been able to direct where your donations went. This is similar now
 
I sure hope he looks as good as he has in the BTN+ games. Real floor-general type. Think of the Billets if you are old enough... maybe better.
The billet’s didn’t seem that long ago ….and then I see it’s been about 20 years !!! Yikes where did that go
 
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Can the NCAA mandate NIL contract are only payable after four years of play? That would fix the free agent issue.
 
Has nothing to do with NCAA, that’s the whole idea. Legally, players can be paid by private interests any time, place, purpose. Just like someone in the drama program or an unaffiliated citizen can be paid for work.

NCAA can only address scholarship & transfer rules.
 
This post couldn't be more spot on. As quoted above, I am tired of being told how to be a fan. That sums it up better than anything I have seen. It's honestly sickening. Rutgers will bring in $75+ million in TV revenues - per year - going forward. That's more than enough. Figure out a way to make it work on that. We are in one of the two most lucrative conferences in the country. One of the top 30 or so school's in that regard. Enough already. Beyond that, I am sick and tired of being told how as a fan how I need to do more. No thanks. How about the NCAA figures out how to grow a set and bring some rules to this anarchy, and the schools and conferences figure out a way to work with the incompetent NCAA to use some of these revenues to address the NIL problem. And maybe take away scholarships if this is where we are going. The whole things sucks. I am just really tired of dumping even more on the fans than they are already doing. What other successful sports entity operates that way? Try none. If this is really about dollars and cents, then schools should have no obligations to support non revenue sports. Both positions can't co-exist. NIL is sucking the life out of one of my greatest passions. It's sad, but I would rather let it all burn if this is what it now takes.
Oh it definitely happens in European Soccer leagues…. There’s absolutely no parity, the biggest clubs consistently buy the best players and most leagues who are made up of 25 or so clubs rotate the league championship between the top 3-4 clubs…

Unfortunately NIL is about to hit hard and who knows how things will look. As for top players leaving, it’s unfortunately already happening. A local in conference example is Chop Robinson, a 5* recruit for Maryland in 21’ who started every game as a freshman only to transfer to Pedd state this off-season… took them a year to pony up the money and away he went…
 
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Oh it definitely happens in European Soccer leagues…. There’s absolutely no parity, the biggest clubs consistently buy the best players and most leagues who are made up of 25 or so clubs rotate the league championship between the top 3-4 clubs…

I can't speak for European Soccer, but the key difference with College Athletics is the fans get directly blamed for financial shortcomings of the AD.

"Report: Rutgers doesn't have the funds to fire HC Flood/HC Ash. Contacting boosters to raise the funds."
Or the repeated "well we can't expect to compete with OSU/UM" when we receive the literal same media payout as them (soon).
Why not? "Well their fanbase donates much more money that our fanbase. We could never afford a $9m/year contract like MSU just gave out."

I've never seen "Report: Giants want to fire HC Judge but don't have the money. Contacting fans to raise buyout money."

Fans like to think they are "part of the team" by donating money. But then it makes them an easy scapegoat for the AD "well, we just don't have the money to operate like our peer schools."
 
Gavin is on NIL
Caleb from hoops on NIL

Caleb leads us to final 4, is it still **** NIL? Remove banner, strip us of wins, go back to 3/4K crowds at the Rac?

If Caleb, who is on an NIL deal and wasn’t coming back without said deal, leads us far in the tournament, nobody will give a shit about NIL
He's not leading us to the Final Four. Shhhh .... don't tell anybody.
 
You’re just gonna have to suck it up and make it happen. Do bake sales and stuff. How about we set up collection bins outside every Walmart & Shoprite like the Salvation Army does. Imagine all the money we could raise for NIL. I’d also support imposing some sort of fee on cable and cell phone bills. Make it small like 75 cents and direct it to NIL. Most dummies in NJ won’t even notice and those that do will likely just shrug it off as “it’s only 75 cents, no big deal”
 
I don’t think NIL creates competitive imbalance. The hierarchy was already fixed in place. Universities that invested in football heavily many decades before RU have more fans, bigger stadiums, additive exposure etc and that mountain of disadvantage existed before NIL.

NIL disparity is the effect, not the cause. It certainly doesn’t level the playing field, but is not the problem.

But hey, at least we can afford to pay our coach 4 million a year. That’s good, right ?
You do realize he's the second lowest paid coach in the B10, right? That only Locksley in Maryland makes less?
You go ahead and keep grinding that axe, though.
 
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I’m not paying for kids to make a few hundred grand to play college football. And still lose to half the conference.

If I’m going to watch pros, I’ll watch the best ones who make it to the NFL.

This is all so dumb.
What he said. If some sneaker company is willing to a pay a kid for NIL fine. I'm not.
 
You do realize he's the second lowest paid coach in the B10, right? That only Locksley in Maryland makes less?
You go ahead and keep grinding that axe, though.
Irrelevant. Why does it matter who makes more and who makes less ? Is he earning his keep by winning ? Besides, it’s the 8 yrs that will cripple the program, not the per annum.
 
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