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Is Hurley a good coach or just a comfortable name?

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So I have not followed Dan Hurley's career very closely and I would like the opinions of this board. I know he was a very good, not great, player at Seton Hall. I know that his brother was a great player at Duke and of course I know that his father is a high school legend in New Jersey.

Is he an exceptional coach or is he just a name that we know well? Is Pat Hobbs thinking of the family history or is he truly a coach that can recruit and win on a national stage?
 
I don't think he is either extreme.
Looking at his college head coaching spots, he definitely can build a team. RI took a step back this year, but their star player was out with an injury. Otherwise, Hurley has made strides in the W/L ratio every year he coached college. The excitement is in the potential that he can improve RU. He did a great job at RI - a cash strapped state school overshadowed by larger local and conference rivals. That sounds familiar. He did that job in an area where he had no connections to local HS or AAU coaches. Imagine what he could do here where he has basketball connections that date back to his childhood.
Take the name off of his pedigree and look. Wouldn't we all be happy to see RU get a coach who played at St Anthony's and Seton Hall, then had coaching stops at St Benedict's, RU and RI? Oh, and won at those places. To me that shows he can recruit AND coach and be successful at places that face similar challenges to RU.
 
What he did at Wagner in a short period was very impressive. But the Big 10 will be a much more difficult conference to accomplish that kind of rapid turnaround. The Ace in the hole is his father, who won't want to see Danny fail so you can bet he will help in any way he can.
 
I don't think he is either extreme.
Looking at his college head coaching spots, he definitely can build a team. RI took a step back this year, but their star player was out with an injury. Otherwise, Hurley has made strides in the W/L ratio every year he coached college. The excitement is in the potential that he can improve RU. He did a great job at RI - a cash strapped state school overshadowed by larger local and conference rivals. That sounds familiar. He did that job in an area where he had no connections to local HS or AAU coaches. Imagine what he could do here where he has basketball connections that date back to his childhood.
Take the name off of his pedigree and look. Wouldn't we all be happy to see RU get a coach who played at St Anthony's and Seton Hall, then had coaching stops at St Benedict's, RU and RI? Oh, and won at those places. To me that shows he can recruit AND coach and be successful at places that face similar challenges to RU.
I don't think building the St. Benedict's team should be considered an impressive accomplishment. It was all about the Hurley name in New Jersey, right. Correct me if I'm wrong here but the Hurley name enabled him to recruit and once that happened, he did fine. I'm just not convinced that he is such a great coach and I still think of him as a Seton Hall guy. Put it this way, if both jobs were offered to Dan, which one do you think he would take? Seton Hall or RU?

Thanks Puppy...i'll go to BB board...
 
I don't think building the St. Benedict's team should be considered an impressive accomplishment. It was all about the Hurley name in New Jersey, right. Correct me if I'm wrong here but the Hurley name enabled him to recruit and once that happened, he did fine. I'm just not convinced that he is such a great coach and I still think of him as a Seton Hall guy. Put it this way, if both jobs were offered to Dan, which one do you think he would take? Seton Hall or RU?

Thanks Puppy...i'll go to BB board...

No doubt that Hurley named helped him; as it would at RU. Still consider that he was going head to head for the same recruits as name programs such as St A's, St P's and Roselle Catholic, he did quite well. That indicates to me that he should be able to do the same here recruiting against BE, ACC and BIG schools.
As for the which would be his dream job routine. You may be right on the RU/SH hypothetical, but the SH job isn't open. I'd like to discuss what "Is" rather than what might be. Further, RU would be shit out of luck in every sport if that is the criteria for hiring a head coach. Very few schools are dream destinations for their hires, and we definitely one of those.
 
From what I can tell, he is great at rebuilding. He is really good at taking horrible basketball programs and making them into teams with winning records.

Not sure he will ever get Rutgers to the final four or anything.

This program needs a re-builder someone who can get us from the worse Power 5 program in history to a team with a winning record.
 
If his name was Harvey instead of Hurley he wouldn't be on too many people's lists. He has a losing record at RI and has never taken a team to the tournament.

For all of his supposed recruiting connections in NJ, he has a grand total of 0 NJ kids on his roster.

He would be an upgrade from where we were, but that is a low bar. His hiring is based on hype, projection and his family name. He isn't going to be cheap either. The financials on this are going to be very interesting.

At this level, it's not a wow hire. Think about the teams we compete with and then ask yourself, what other school would hire someone with his actual accomplishments? Maryland, OSH, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, no way. Maybe Penn. St. Maybe.
 
Don't really care anymore.

It's been a lifetime of suck. Anyone that gets RU into the sweet 16 is a miracle worker. But it's most likely impossible in the next 10 years.
 
So I have not followed Dan Hurley's career very closely and I would like the opinions of this board. I know he was a very good, not great, player at Seton Hall. I know that his brother was a great player at Duke and of course I know that his father is a high school legend in New Jersey.

Is he an exceptional coach or is he just a name that we know well? Is Pat Hobbs thinking of the family history or is he truly a coach that can recruit and win on a national stage?
Look at his body of work. His team this year was decimated with injuries yet still managed to have an above .500 record. That is coaching. The name doesn't hurt either
 
Look at his body of work. His team this year was decimated with injuries yet still managed to have an above .500 record. That is coaching. The name doesn't hurt either

His best player missed 6 games total, 2 of which were in their conference tourney. Who else was missing?

Eddie Jordan had it rougher. Let's not play the injury card, especially when it is unwarranted.
 
If his name was Harvey instead of Hurley he wouldn't be on too many people's lists. He has a losing record at RI and has never taken a team to the tournament.

For all of his supposed recruiting connections in NJ, he has a grand total of 0 NJ kids on his roster.

He would be an upgrade from where we were, but that is a low bar. His hiring is based on hype, projection and his family name. He isn't going to be cheap either. The financials on this are going to be very interesting.

At this level, it's not a wow hire. Think about the teams we compete with and then ask yourself, what other school would hire someone with his actual accomplishments? Maryland, OSH, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, no way. Maybe Penn. St. Maybe.

Harvey !?

 
So I have not followed Dan Hurley's career very closely and I would like the opinions of this board. I know he was a very good, not great, player at Seton Hall. I know that his brother was a great player at Duke and of course I know that his father is a high school legend in New Jersey.

Is he an exceptional coach or is he just a name that we know well? Is Pat Hobbs thinking of the family history or is he truly a coach that can recruit and win on a national stage?
A well known name in the jersey parochial high school ranks which cannot hurt with recruiting, coached a team with injuries to a respectable record in a decent college bball conference, which is more than EJ could do (not saying the A10 is the B1G) but saying he had to do some coaching and not rely on a single talent. IMO RU bball needs someone who will
Build the proper recruiting connections in the state and bridge the gap to getting the appropriate facilities built...this program won't take the next step until the facilities are up to conference standards which might be another whole recruiting cycle if RU is lucky, unless RU takes the Louisville approach and start pimping out local escorts to recruits.
 
When I was in the 7th and 8th grade my father sent me to Bob sr.'s st Anthony's basketball camps and Danny was is senior and then a freshman at Seton hall at the time and was my coach two summers in a row. So I'm routing for him just so I can say I was coached by the Rutgers basketball coach.
 
If his name was Harvey instead of Hurley he wouldn't be on too many people's lists. He has a losing record at RI and has never taken a team to the tournament.

For all of his supposed recruiting connections in NJ, he has a grand total of 0 NJ kids on his roster.

He would be an upgrade from where we were, but that is a low bar. His hiring is based on hype, projection and his family name. He isn't going to be cheap either. The financials on this are going to be very interesting.

At this level, it's not a wow hire. Think about the teams we compete with and then ask yourself, what other school would hire someone with his actual accomplishments? Maryland, OSH, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, no way. Maybe Penn. St. Maybe.

His record is 100-85 at RI and 38-22 at Wagner. He doesn't have any NJ kids THIS year. He has only been coaching 6 years. We haven't been the tournament for 25. Hurley may not be a wow hire for the rest of the BIG. Our present situation has us easily ten years away from being on equal footing with the teams you mention in terms of facilities and support. At OUR level, he would be a wow hire.
 
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His best player missed 6 games total, 2 of which were in their conference tourney. Who else was missing?

Eddie Jordan had it rougher. Let's not play the injury card, especially when it is unwarranted.

EC Matthews Game 1 vs American. For the entire season
 
is there any animosity between the Hurley's and other top NJ coaches? I heard they and Kevin Boyle didn't always get along.
 
His record is 100-85 at RI and 38-22 at Wagner. He doesn't have any NJ kids THIS year. He has only been coaching 6 years. We haven't been the tournament for 25. Hurley may not be a wow hire for the rest of the BIG. Our present situation has us easily ten years away from being on equal footing with the teams you mention in terms of facilities and support. At OUR level, he would be a wow hire.

10 years ? I think some people think it can be done in 3 years.
 
10 years ? I think some people think it can be done in 3 years.

Maybe what is on the drawing board can be done in three. A practice facility built onto of a parking garage and a renovated and slightly expanded RAC is a good start. That does not put us on par with the top of this conference.
 
10 years ? I think some people think it can be done in 3 years.
Schiano began at RU at the end of 2000. He turned things around by 2005. Turning things around in basketball is easier than in football; so why not three years? I want someone who is capable of turning it around in 3 years. I don't want someone who tells Hobbs he needs 7 or 8 years.
 
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What is he? A couch? He is part of NJ royalty in a sport that we have been pooping the bed for 100 years
Do you really think he is not a serious contender or a possible answer to ease our pain? We need a guy to fill the bill and finally get us to a point where we have a reason to watch the games in March.This isn't about Hurley or any one guy. It is about Hobbs and the change of a dysfunctional culture.
 
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UConn arena is 10000,Notre Dame arena is 9000 and Duke is 7500.Thus an expanded RAC with a practice facility puts Rutgers in a fine position as far as facilities go.
 
His record is 100-85 at RI and 38-22 at Wagner. He doesn't have any NJ kids THIS year. He has only been coaching 6 years. We haven't been the tournament for 25. Hurley may not be a wow hire for the rest of the BIG. Our present situation has us easily ten years away from being on equal footing with the teams you mention in terms of facilities and support. At OUR level, he would be a wow hire.
You read it wrong, his record at URI is 62-63 and his OVERALL is 100-85. I do like Hurley and think he would get it done,
 
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Danny Hurley is the basketball equivalent to Al Golden. Lots of folks seem to want him here because of his New Jersey roots and connections but his coaching record is not stellar, but just OK. Remember early in the football hiring cycle there were articles about mutual interest between Rutgers and Golden.
Maybe the basketball hire will be different.
 
Danny Hurley is the basketball equivalent to Al Golden. Lots of folks seem to want him here because of his New Jersey roots and connections but his coaching record is not stellar, but just OK. Remember early in the football hiring cycle there were articles about mutual interest between Rutgers and Golden.
Maybe the basketball hire will be different.

I agree with this. I have nothing against Danny and will support him if he's hired. But I don't get why people think he would be a great hire or what he's done to warrant breaking the bank to get him. He's done okay, not great.
 
Mike Rice had a depleted roster in a better conference at 15-17 with James Beatty and Mike Coburn as your starting backcourt....Hurley potentially arrives with 3 guards all at a level that could be better with Sanders, Nigel Johnson and Mike Williams.

Add the front court which isnt athletic but needs toughness. ..Hurley like Rice will insist his team will play tougher. ...and I like what's in place up front.

If this roster holds up, RU is .500 next year. ...it will be a quick turn around vs what we watched in last 3 years.
 
So I have not followed Dan Hurley's career very closely and I would like the opinions of this board. I know he was a very good, not great, player at Seton Hall. I know that his brother was a great player at Duke and of course I know that his father is a high school legend in New Jersey.

Is he an exceptional coach or is he just a name that we know well? Is Pat Hobbs thinking of the family history or is he truly a coach that can recruit and win on a national stage?

I am a Eddie Jordan supporter, so lets discuss what makes Danny Hurley different from Coach Jordan.

In recruiting, Eddie wasn't playing the games that the AAU coaches want played. That's why you saw us basically shut out locally. Eddie relied on his profile and NBA resume to bring in players, i.e. Corey Sanders and DeShawn Freeman. Hurley will show up at Rutgers as the most connected coach in N.J. His father has been a staple in high school for 30 or 40 years, and he coached high school himself prior to leaving for Wagner. Eddie also tapped his short AAU stint to get guys like Nigel and Junior Etou. Those resources are about to run out as there are no more kids left to be recruited who he coached. Danny is still majorly connected in the area, more so than Willard or Mullin which is important.

I am angry about the way coach Jordan got fired, and don't feel he got a fair shake, but he made multiple mistakes when he was hired. #1, he trusted Rutgers....which all of us know is the number one no-no. He didn't ask for the 6th year of the deal which would have all but guaranteed him the shot to coach an improved roster next year. Hurley as a non-Rutgers guy saw the situation and requested a 7 year deal. Once Eddie got some pieces in place and brought the team further away from the scandal, Hurley's agent contacted the school (along with a lot of other agents for different coaches) because the team was wounded. So he basically waited out what he knew was a disaster and then strategically moved in.

#2. Eddie made no demands for facilities. I can guarantee you that right now, Hurley is making Hobbs iron out an exact plan on how the facilities will be improved to help him sell to potential recruits, as well as give him an out in the event that Rutgers doesn't deliver on its promises. EJ made no demands, and again, trusted Rutgers to do the right things and preached patience. This bit him in the behind in the end.

In my opinion, anything less than Danny Hurley is a phenomenal failure as far as coaching hires. We need the great recruiting ties in the area. All of these other up-and-comers in my opinion are just a bulldozing of what Eddie had started to bring in, and we can go back to 3 years ago with nothing. Hurley brings us instant credibility with HS coaches and the AAU crowd in NJ. He's a must get, so the boosters who helped fire Eddie better pony up when the negotiations are made on salary because right now, its Hurley or bust. Might as well not show up next season if we land anyone else, it will have been a waste of $2 Million. As much as I'm burnt up over the Eddie ouster, Hurley does make sense for the long term, while Eddie at his age was never going to be here forever. At the end of the day, I think he deserved a year to coach his own players, but he will be credited in the future for building a great foundation if we get the right coach to lead this team and add talent.

Hurley is the only answer. If Hobbs fired Jordan without having this ironed out, then it calls into question his credibility as an AD. If Hurley gets hired, then it will look like Hobbs is a guy with a plan, as sleazy as that plan was, a good sleazy plan none-the-less.
 
UConn arena is 10000,Notre Dame arena is 9000 and Duke is 7500.Thus an expanded RAC with a practice facility puts Rutgers in a fine position as far as facilities go.

If all you look at is seating capacity then you're missing the point that our facilities don't stack up. The new training facility and RAC renovation are good starts. But that isn't THE solution to the lack of proper facilities for basketball or any other sport that uses the RAC.
Cameron Indoor is small and old. It has also been renovated twice since the RAC was built. Duke also has a 57,000sf purpose built training facility completed in 2004. Gampel Pavilion is newer than the RAC and also has a massive basketball training facility attached to it. UConn plays it's conference games in the 16,000 seat XLCenter. ND renovated the Joyce Center in 2006 when the upgrades to the facility dropped the seating capacity. ND spent $24m on that renovation. We're not even addressing other facilities such as dorms.
 
Mike Rice had a depleted roster in a better conference at 15-17 with James Beatty and Mike Coburn as your starting backcourt....Hurley potentially arrives with 3 guards all at a level that could be better with Sanders, Nigel Johnson and Mike Williams.

Add the front court which isnt athletic but needs toughness. ..Hurley like Rice will insist his team will play tougher. ...and I like what's in place up front.

If this roster holds up, RU is .500 next year. ...it will be a quick turn around vs what we watched in last 3 years.

Also Rutgers needs another PF. Hurley signed one who *could* follow him to RU.
 
Also Rutgers needs another PF. Hurley signed one who *could* follow him to RU.


This roster is not terrible for next season by any means if we avoid transfers. We have some size, we have 2 really skilled guards, and everyone will be a year older. Laurent showed to be a good offensive weapon at the 3 all year, he will be bigger with a year under his belt.

I think everyone will be surprised how much Nigel opens up the floor for the rest of the team. The kid can shoot the lights out and can create his own shot. Our backcourt will be nasty next year.
 
You read it wrong, his record at URI is 62-63 and his OVERALL is 100-85. I do like Hurley and think he would get it done,

Yep, my mistake. Considering our performance levels over the last twenty years having a coach 1 game under .500 after four years would be a cause for celebration.
 
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