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In a NJ.COM article explaining why they signed no one in the early signing period. He basically blamed Seton Hall’s lack of NIL and the reason they whiffed on every target. He also said they were in it with 5 or 6 guys but the s hook that was eventually picked had “more” to offer. We also whiffed on everyone except and thank god for that a kid who grew up in a similar place and circumstance than our head coach.
 
Seton Hall and Rutgers are going to have to navigate in this world. Excuses arent acceptable.

If you lost because of NIL why was your fishing pole in the wrong pond?
Not sure I understand this response at this stage in the NIL game. I think his willingness to address the issue publicly is refreshing. Its a problem and its not going to get addressed in some fashion by just being silent about it until it costs you your job. What pond is the right pond at this point to cast your line? If you don't have a wallet you are going struggle with many kids right now.
 
Most schools are like Rutgers and Seton Hall especially when it comes to high school recruiting. NIL is a convenient thing to blame when a school doesn't get a guy. Clearly schools like Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, etc will have a leg up in recruiting but that was also true before. From everything I can tell, schools like Iowa, Virginia Tech, Purdue -- successful high major teams -- do not have any sort of robust NIL recruiting machine in place.
 
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Seton Hall and Rutgers are going to have to navigate in this world. Excuses arent acceptable.

If you lost because of NIL why was your fishing pole in the wrong pond?
He wants to win so he is going after the best players. He is telling everyone that because of NIL Seton Hall got no one that he was recruiting. The coach can recruit the heck out of you. It if the other coach is offering you money now what do you do? He wants to win and to win you need the players.
 
Most schools are like Rutgers and Seton Hall especially when it comes to high school recruiting. NIL is a convenient thing to blame when a school doesn't get a guy. Clearly schools like Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, etc will have a leg up in recruiting but that was also true before. From everything I can tell, schools like Iowa, Virginia Tech, Purdue -- successful high major teams -- do not have any sort of robust NIL recruiting machine in place.
It’s not convenient it’s the truth. Most families can use the money being offered and it will be a major reason why kids choose one school over the other. The vast majority of kids being recruited to play football and basketball are not well to do. They are not 60 years old or older living in the past. NIL will be a godsend to some programs. Those fan bases like ours that are passionate about giving opinions on message boards only will not get most of the players they are recruiting.
 
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It’s not convenient it’s the truth. Most families can use the money being offered and it will be a major reason why kids choose one school over the other. The vast majority of kids being recruited to play football and basketball are not well to do. They are not 60 years old or older living in the past. NIL will be a godsend to some programs. Those fan bases like ours that are passionate about giving opinions on message boards only will not get most of the players they are recruiting.
My point is that not as many schools are offering money as everyone thinks. If it's a problem at Rutgers, and at Seton Hall... why wouldn't you also think it's a problem at Kansas State, and Utah, and West Virginia, and Providence, etc?
 
My point is that not as many schools are offering money as everyone thinks. If it's a problem at Rutgers, and at Seton Hall... why wouldn't you also think it's a problem at Kansas State, and Utah, and West Virginia, and Providence, etc?
Totally agree. I think we're going to see a ton of players in the portal this off-season with stories of broken NIL promises. Money doesn't appear out of thin air and the numbers rumored are ludicrous.
 
It’s not convenient it’s the truth. Most families can use the money being offered and it will be a major reason why kids choose one school over the other. The vast majority of kids being recruited to play football and basketball are not well to do. They are not 60 years old or older living in the past. NIL will be a godsend to some programs. Those fan bases like ours that are passionate about giving opinions on message boards only will not get most of the players they are recruiting.
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Totally agree. I think we're going to see a ton of players in the portal this off-season with stories of broken NIL promises. Money doesn't appear out of thin air and the numbers rumored are ludicrous.
Exactly and once you're outside the top 50 high school recruits it's a far better investment to put that money into the transfer portal for proven guys.
 
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My point is that not as many schools are offering money as everyone thinks. If it's a problem at Rutgers, and at Seton Hall... why wouldn't you also think it's a problem at Kansas State, and Utah, and West Virginia, and Providence, etc?
The vast majority of 4 and 5 star recruits are looking for significant NIL money. It's not a problem for the schools you mentioned because they have wealthy donors / boosters who are willing to pay for high level recruits. SHU just lost a 4 star recruit to Memphis who gave him a NIL package that exceeds the annual salaries of most middleclass wage earners.
 
Exactly and once you're outside the top 50 high school recruits it's a far better investment to put that money into the transfer portal for proven guys.
Agreed - or retaining the guys you have. I'd say even outside the top 20-30 HS recruits.
 
Seton Hall and Rutgers are going to have to navigate in this world. Excuses arent acceptable.

If you lost because of NIL why was your fishing pole in the wrong pond?
You could be in the right pond but then someone with real money swoops in late

Thee are a lot of programs like us. Average to sub average numbered fan base, devoid of millionaire donors
These programs could come up empty in a recruiting cycle if they aim high

Yet, In basketball there can be exceptions

Gavin Griffiths fell in love with all things RU, and I am sure that some programs made a run at him, including money, and he remained ours
 
You could be in the right pond but then someone with real money swoops in late

Thee are a lot of programs like us. Average to sub average numbered fan base, devoid of millionaire donors
These programs could come up empty in a recruiting cycle if they aim high

Yet, In basketball there can be exceptions

Gavin Griffiths fell in love with all things RU, and I am sure that some programs made a run at him, including money, and he remained ours
or as bad you find a gem and he has a great freshman year and then........
 
or as bad you find a gem and he has a great freshman year and then........
Yea, I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face.
The NCAA needs to fix the transfer rules and frame them around how many transfers a school can take in (in a given time frame). It makes sense to allow kids to move to different programs, so limiting student transfer is not win-able fight. But program eligibility based around how many transfers they take in makes sense.

If your program can't keep the kids in it (that it recruits) because:
A) Your environment sucks
B) You make broken promises
C) You recruit over them/don't get them on the field/court
The students should be free to transfer.
These are problems attributable to a program's leadership.
Let the kids move.

D) If you can't keep kids because they are being tampered with...

Then by capping how many new transfers a program can bring in you limit the ability for Miami, USC and their ilk to pillage the gems that were found and developed by the "have lesses".
This doesn't stop kids from being tampered with, but it reduces the frequency.
Kids are free to go, there are just less branches on the tree.

Doesn't eliminate it and still leaves the window open for a program to bring in a kid when too many seniors leave or legitimate mutual non-fits eventually happen.
But it would stop some of the craziness if the caps were an appropriate number.
 
Love this idea - lots of ways to work the details but the bottom lines are to incentivize programs to keep their athletes happy and put limits on those that don't.
 
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Seton Hall and Rutgers are going to have to navigate in this world. Excuses arent acceptable.

If you lost because of NIL why was your fishing pole in the wrong pond?

To me it looks like players are jumping into the other pond after getting interest from Pikiell. The days of finding a Geo or Myles and getting in early and fending off late offers is probably over due to NIL. I'm sure Pikiell knows that and maybe casts a wider net, hoping to develop a relationship like with Gavin or Dylan Harper, but which also leads to more public losses.
 
The vast majority of 4 and 5 star recruits are looking for significant NIL money. It's not a problem for the schools you mentioned because they have wealthy donors / boosters who are willing to pay for high level recruits. SHU just lost a 4 star recruit to Memphis who gave him a NIL package that exceeds the annual salaries of most middleclass wage earners.
The 3 stars too. Heard even those kids are asking for 100 k in BBall
 
The vast majority of 4 and 5 star recruits are looking for significant NIL money. It's not a problem for the schools you mentioned because they have wealthy donors / boosters who are willing to pay for high level recruits. SHU just lost a 4 star recruit to Memphis who gave him a NIL package that exceeds the annual salaries of most middleclass wage earners.
What? Of course it's a problem at Kansas State -- their guy got poached by Miami (Nijel Pack). I'm not saying the game isn't rigged, I'm saying that it's 25% (haves) and 75% (have nots) but if you read these message boards you'd think every single school except Rutgers has millions of NIL dollars to throw around at basketball recruits.
 
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The 3 stars too. Heard even those kids are asking for 100 k in BBall
I've seen rumors like this. If they're asking for it, I don't believe they're getting it.
For example: Uconn has a top recruiting class coming in next year, 5 players.
If anyone believes 3-star recruits are getting $100K/each does that mean you think Uconn is coming up with ~$1M for a single recruiting class? Plus money to retain the guys they want to keep.
I don't believe it.
 
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I've seen rumors like this. If they're asking for it, I don't believe they're getting it.
For example: Uconn has a top recruiting class coming in next year, 5 players.
If anyone believes 3-star recruits are getting $100K/each does that mean you think Uconn is coming up with ~$1M for a single recruiting class? Plus money to retain the guys they want to keep.
I don't believe it.
I heard that a one million dollar budget to recruit and retain existing players might be the norm.
 
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The IRS and Homeland security look the other way? I'm skeptical.
Lol did the IRS care when guys like Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, and Michael Irvin were getting boatloads of pure cash? And then would go on social media or the news and gloat about it?

They’re all US citizens but they would still need to be vetted on those payments.
 
Michael Irvin was drafted by the Cowboys in 1988
What social media was he using in college?
 
Many have been saying that they think this NIL stuff is going to self correct.

I don’t see it.

I see things getting worse and worse for the next several years and potentially destroying college sports as we know it.
 
Three of the players Rutgers was after and missed, Baye Fall, Papa Kante and Reuben Chinyehu are in the country on Student Visas and can't get NIL while in the US.
I wouldn't be so quick to blame NIL for every miss.
Are you sure that everyone of those schools adhere to the policy ? So as a student on Visa who doesn’t quaify to receive NIL funding those trusted institutions are on the up and up.
 
Are you sure that everyone of those schools adhere to the policy ? So as a student on Visa who doesn’t quaify to receive NIL funding those trusted institutions are on the up and up.
NIL would go through the compliance department at the school. Income would get reported to the IRS and Homeland Security would enforce the student visa violation

It amazes me people think briefcases full of cash change hands like college sports boosters and athletes are the most sophisticated money launderers in the world
 
NIL would go through the compliance department at the school. Income would get reported to the IRS and Homeland Security would enforce the student visa violation

It amazes me people think briefcases full of cash change hands like college sports boosters and athletes are the most sophisticated money launderers in the world
Are you naive or just think all the college sports world is squeaky clean? The game of buying athletes has always been there …it now is legal and condoned by our legislative branch of government.
 
Are you naive or just think all the college sports world is squeaky clean? The game of buying athletes has always been there …it now is legal and condoned by our legislative branch of government.
Penny Hardaway paid $11,500 in moving expenses for James Wiseman's family. For this Wiseman lost his NCAA eligibility.
Yet there are guys getting suitcases full of cash going unnoticed? I'm skeptical.
Walk me through how you'd go about paying a kid on a student visa $100K without the IRS or Homeland security noticing and how he would spend that money without them noticing.
 
I wouldn’t pay the kid a dime. If the player can get a bag full of cash free now great for him . I ‘m not paying someone without a guaranteed return on my investment. Those claiming by laws prevent a foreign player on a student visa can not sign an NIL deal means nothing . There are many ways and those have been documented over the years.
 
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