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It's official: Rutgers got a lousy deal from the Big Ten | Politi

Figures that someone would link a horsesheet article from that rag here.

Yeah, most of us aren't happy with the deal. But would we be happier in the AAC earning around $800K per year? Never being shown on national TV? Having no-name teams come into the stadium that no one gives a rat's patootie about except the diehard fans? For teams paying us to be their one off games to fill their schedule?
 
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1. "Let's be clear on this from the start: This is not a second guess. Back in November 2012, Jim Delany could have demanded anything from Rutgers officials and they would have agreed with a smile -- and understandably so. "

Politi isn't seconding guessing.

2.Big Ten rival Michigan revealed this week that, thanks to the league's new TV contract, it is expecting a payout of $51.1 million from the conference in 2017-18. That is the same chunk of cash that Ohio State, Indiana, Illinois and the rest will add to their coffers. ...against RU's $11mm

Politi is calling a spade a spade. The B1G used us for NYC and it keeping us poor on purpose. "Bury them and pour concrete over their grave," in my opinion. The mid western schools (besides OSU and Mich) struggle for talent. The last thing the B1G needs is RU keeping the Tri-State players home and dominating like USC.

The B1G pulled some real BS tatics: "We built this thing over 100yrs. Pay your dues. You don't get a full share out of the gates." WHAT? They are making BANK now since bringing us in.

But again. Not second guessing, we need a life line. If RU football can ever get the top Tri-state talent to stay home and become a power the HC's football contract must state, "You can't pull starters. Run it up on B1G opponents until its 100-0. It is their turn to pay their dues."
 
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We got the same deal as Nebraska and Maryland. We are not making less than we were in the Big East in are making more than the AAC schools that we left behind. They are making more per years because they both came from Power 5 conferences that paid more than the Big East then.

Uconn would trade places with us in less than a nanosecond.
 
Politi is right & obviously got his idea here. Not 1 person is suggesting that we should've stayed in the Big American Clusterf@#% so please stop the nonsense. No other school was delivering the increased carriage $, ad $ & exposure in the NYC TV DMA, because we're the only school in it (so forget UConn taking our place). That was our limited "leverage." We need to break out of this toxic thinking that we offer little or nothing & should continue to accept whatever scraps & t-bagging we get. We already delivered over $30M/yr to BTN in increased carriage deals & exponentially more in the increased FOX/ESPN deals.

MD is getting a $20M-$30M "travel subsidy" on top of its already 2x-2.5x higher payout due to being in the ACC, yet we didn't bother to even try for this because we were just happy to get in & eventually the revenue would be equitable. The disparate buy in amounts for us, Nebraska &
MD were arbitrary. Why do Nebraska & MD pay considerably less than we do to get in? Aren't we buying an equal share of the same thing? We're paying like $30M+ more per year than they are. It's absurd. As is not having a large increase based on the new TV deals & increased carriage fees we delivered.
 
The addition of Rutgers and Maryland and their TV markets added to the Big 10 pay out but may not be responsible for the full amount although I suspect its the majority. Of the remainder, NY/NJ TV market is not responsible for the full amount but probably the majority.

So a little back of the napkin calculation:

Each legacy school getting $20 mil more next year.
Of that $20 mil say 75% is the result of adding RU and Maryland. So each school get a $15 mil pay out from RU and Maryland's addition.
Of that $15 mil let's say RU is responsible for 60% of the increase or $9 mil.
So adding RU puts $9 mil in each teams pocket.

RU was getting $2 mill from AAC and is now getting $11 mil from the Big $10 a difference of $9 mil

So everybody makes $9 mil more next year as a result of adding RU to the Big Ten. Seems fair to me.
 
The addition of Rutgers and Maryland and their TV markets added to the Big 10 pay out but may not be responsible for the full amount although I suspect its the majority. Of the remainder, NY/NJ TV market is not responsible for the full amount but probably the majority.

So a little back of the napkin calculation:

Each legacy school getting $20 mil more next year.
Of that $20 mil say 75% is the result of adding RU and Maryland. So each school get a $15 mil pay out from RU and Maryland's addition.
Of that $15 mil let's say RU is responsible for 60% of the increase or $9 mil.
So adding RU puts $9 mil in each teams pocket.

RU was getting $2 mill from AAC and is now getting $11 mil from the Big $10 a difference of $9 mil

So everybody makes $9 mil more next year as a result of adding RU to the Big Ten. Seems fair to me.
This is entirely inaccurate. Please stop. We were never getting $2M/year from the AAC. That's what current schools get. The B1G maintained our paltry rev share & added some hat's & t-shirts for the kids to top it off.
 
Here's the thing... if it cost us ZERO to join, we'd get the same share as everyone else.

But what they did was calculate what they will PAY Rutgers to join. We have fixed pay until we become a full member.

This easily could have been written as a fixed cost to join that is taken out of the full share at x percent per year until we have paid the full price to join (plus interest).

While we had no choice and its a better deal than AAC or ACC or anyone else would have given us, we did get taken advantage of. And Delany is getting paid more than Rutgers.
 
This is entirely inaccurate. Please stop. We were never getting $2M/year from the AAC. That's what current schools get. The B1G maintained our paltry rev share & added some hat's & t-shirts for the kids to top it off.

So the difference between what we are currently getting from the B1G and what we would be getting from the AAC is $9 mil.
 
We are in the big ten for the next hundred years, we can wait 3 more years for the full payout. Plus Barchi is advancing some money. Long term, it's tremendous and we were treated the same as Nebraska a storied program.
 
Here's the thing... if it cost us ZERO to join, we'd get the same share as everyone else.

But what they did was calculate what they will PAY Rutgers to join. We have fixed pay until we become a full member.

This easily could have been written as a fixed cost to join that is taken out of the full share at x percent per year until we have paid the full price to join (plus interest).

While we had no choice and its a better deal than AAC or ACC or anyone else would have given us, we did get taken advantage of. And Delany is getting paid more than Rutgers.
Regarding your last sentence; in fairness to borrow from Babe Ruth, Jim D had a better year.
 
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MD is getting a $20M-$30M "travel subsidy" on top of its already 2x-2.5x higher payout due to being in the ACC, yet we didn't bother to even try for this because we were just happy to get in & eventually the revenue would be equitable.
Keep in mind Maryland was getting a helluva lot more from the ACC than we were from the AAC. And our payout was headed nowhere but down.
 
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Michigan fans are the absolute worst. They are ripping us apart on Politi's Twitter feed. Seriously, they should ram it up their a****.
 
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I don't have a problem with our buy in.

I have a problem with us joining, then the TV deal getting renewed and factoring in all the eyeballs we bring in and everyone's TV money jumps from 30-50. IMO our Increase should have bumped as well. We offered a value add, delivered on it and are not getting paid for it.

Meanwhile we need this money probably more than any other school in the conference but instead they are trying to make us a doormat. It's baloney.
 
Big picture the benefits FAR outweigh the money we can see going out. This was a no brainer move and the money has and will come back to us in spades. Barring the NCAA/conferences disbanding in 10 years this is not even a conversation.
 
I don't have a problem with our buy in.

I have a problem with us joining, then the TV deal getting renewed and factoring in all the eyeballs we bring in and everyone's TV money jumps from 30-50. IMO our Increase should have bumped as well. We offered a value add, delivered on it and are not getting paid for it.

Meanwhile we need this money probably more than any other school in the conference but instead they are trying to make us a doormat. It's baloney.
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Rutgers was the fat, bald, unemployed guy living in parents basement that got asked out by the hot and rich woman. But she told us it had to be on her terms.
This is Rutgers we are talking about. We were fat loser guy .
 
We took a bum deal to get out of a bum conference.

If we didn't take that deal, someone else would have.
 
This is entirely inaccurate. Please stop. We were never getting $2M/year from the AAC. That's what current schools get. The B1G maintained our paltry rev share & added some hat's & t-shirts for the kids to top it off.
OK leonard23, let's play a game of negotiation

Rutgers - we want more money now / or before we join!
Delany - No
Rutgers- Your move Lenord, what's your play?
 
Alot of fallacies here:

-we were making about $10M from the Big East/AAC when we left.

-part of the reason their TV contract went down the toilet was because we left. If we were still there then Louisville is still there, and their contract is totally different.

-Our deal is not the same as Nebraska or Maryland. Maryland is getting much more than us right now, but still will be paying money to the league in 2021 when we are done.

-The only thing that got me mad was not getting a bowl share. We were not allowed to keep any money from the bowl we won in 2014.
 
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The RIGHT thing for the other Big Ten members to do is to reward Rutgers at least *SOMETHING* for the additional revenues over and above expectations.

That's what you do with key partners and hey players. They were all concerned that adding Rutgers would dilute their shares.. and instead it has increased their shares beyond their wildest dreams.

They should volunteer to pay us more and Delany should organize that. A stronger Rutgers, financially, would only help us all. Even if it isn't more money right now.. how about moving up our full share year to 2019, the 150th Anniversary of College Football? The extra money each team is getting is something like $10M more than expected (WAG) and to move up our full share day 2 years would cost them maybe $2M each.. for those 2 years.. and they'd still be making $8M more than expected then and $10M more for the next 2 years.

C'mon Big Ten.. do the right thing. Invest in Rutgers and you'll reap the dividends AGAIN. A stronger Rutgers makes the Big Ten stronger.. more Jersey recruits will grow up Big Ten fans.. even if Rutgers pulls in more of them you'll still get a big share of an increasing pie. The ACC and SEC can go scratch themselves. And when Rutgers comes to your venues.. those tickets will be worth something more than they are now.

Do the right thing!
 
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The RIGHT thing for the other Big Ten members to do is to reward Rutgers at least *SOMETHING* for the additional revenues over and above expectations.

That's what you do with key partners and hey players. They were all concerned that adding Rutgers would dilute their shares.. and instead it has increased their shares beyond their wildest dreams.

They should volunteer to pay us more and Delany should organize that. A stronger Rutgers, financially, would only help us all. Even if it isn't more money right now.. how about moving up our full share year to 2019, the 150th Anniversary of College Football? The extra money each team is getting is something like $10M more than expected (WAG) and to move up our full share day 2 years would cost them maybe $2M each.. for those 2 years.. and they'd still be making $8M more than expected then and $10M more for the next 2 years.

C'mon Big Ten.. do the right thing. Invest in Rutgers and you'll reap the dividends AGAIN. A stronger Rutgers makes the Big Ten stronger.. more Jersey recruits will grow up Big Ten fans.. even if Rutgers pulls in more of them you'll still get a big share of an increasing pie. The ACC and SEC can go scratch themselves. And when Rutgers comes to your venues.. those tickets will be worth something more than they are now.

Do the right thing!
Why on earth would anybody volunteer to give away money like that? What's their motivation?
 
Rutgers was the fat, bald, unemployed guy living in parents basement that got asked out by the hot and rich woman. But she told us it had to be on her terms.
This is Rutgers we are talking about. We were fat loser guy .

100% spot on. Our athletic program is nothing to write home about. The BIG had already helped so many sports success rate
 
After seeing some of what was said here , I guess I was wrong in beleiving Rutgers was treated the same ( except Maryland) as any new member would be.
I thought the payout until full share is due was based on what revenue the school joining the B1G was receiving from the conference they left until eligble for a full share.
Nebraska started off with a higher beginning revenue sharing payment than Rutgers did ( 3 years later) because of the payment they were receiving from the Big 12 compared to the payment RU received from the AAC.
Maryland who came in with Rutgers would have received more than RU did ( without the extra B1G funding considered a loan and to be paid back once Maryland becomes eligible for a full share ) because the the revenue sharing payment the ACC gave out to all members the Turtles' final year in that conference.

That said: I suggest we succeed from the B1G and join the Vitamin Conference.
The B-12 probably would love to see the Longhorn Network get a presence in the NYC Metro area, though only Texas would benefit financially from it and that would give RU fans something new to complain about .
 
Here's a quick back of a napkin assessment. We're essentially buying into the conference's revenue stream and BTN with income that we would not have otherwise received if we had stayed in the AAC, Let's say the buy in is $150 million over six years (the difference between what a full member of the conference receives and what we receive). After six years, we will esentially own about 3% of the BTN or $60-75 million of a $2 billion network (half owned by Fox). We will earn about $6-7 million a year from the sale of our third tier rights to the BTN, or a return of more than 10% a year in perpetuity or until people stop watching college sports. We would never ever be able to sell out third tier rights on our own for that number.

The remaining $75-90 million of the buy in purchases our share of the revenue stream from the sale of broadcast rights,championship games and the CFPlayoffs. Let's say we earn $40 million a year when we become a full member. That's a hefty annual return that most investors can only dream about.

I'd suggest the buy in is a pretty good deal: using cash we wouldn't otherwise have to purchase an asset and generate a revenue stream that quickly outpaces the invested cash.
 
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