Jerry Kill retires
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Wow and there goes another one. This is one of the most unusual seasons in terms of all these movements happening during the season.
When it's for health reasons all I can do is wish him well.
Minnesota had their AD resign in scandal earlier this fall. They had planned to take their time with the search for a new AD, but that timeline may have just shortened. I think it's likely they give the job to Tracy Claeys - their DC who has been named interim, and someone who took over for Kill when he had previous health issues that kept him sidelined. So, I don't think MN is really joining the competition for a new coach
I was wondering about that. I remember reading that his staff has been with him a long time. I wondered if they may just elevate someone from within specifically with Kill's blessing/recommendation.
The only caveat to that for me is they're looking for a new AD. Will a new AD want to keep an interim coach from the old staff when he's got an opportunity to bring in his own guy?
Man, you people really just never let this crap go.
Similar to my thoughts, but the administration is going to place a premium on finding an AD candidate that brings some stability given the turmoil - a couple of others resigned in the sexual harassment scandal and they are facing Title IX complaints as well. They also had trouble finding enough donations to build a athlete's village. The football program is definitely the centerpiece, but there's a lot of collateral issues that would be complicated by an AD getting rid of a popular staff just to have "his guy".
That sounds possible.
Thanks for the info on the athlete's village. Facility fundraising is something we're always interested in here. Didn't know about the trouble fundraising though. I thought that was going well but I just took a quick look and they have raised a lot but still not even half the hefty price tag of 166M. They raised 76.5M and are likely to borrow the remaining 89.5M from athletic revenue bonds. Sounds like they took some flack because they wanted to raise 80% of the cost and borrow the last 20% but instead have to borrow more than 50%.
It's good for us to know as that's how I've said it's likely we end up building anything here. Combination of athletic revenue bonds and donations. Still though raising money on that kind of scale in the 10s of milllions would be unprecedented for us.
Wow. He really turn that program around.
So far the B1G will have 3 HC opening with maybe 2-3 more to follow.
So far the B1G will have 3 HC opening with maybe 2-3 more to follow.
It's a fair point that is taboo around here, but accurate with our current AD. Rutgers being Rutgers, we hired the AD equivalent of a 1AA coach for AD. She may be great, but outside of Rutgers, no P5 school would have given her such an opportunity.
All the best to Kill. He is a good coach.
Another peer with an opening. We have never seen a year with this many openings.
You give the interim guy a 3 year deal and tell all AD candidates they have freedom to fire him early if needed.
His presser was sad. Really feel for the guy and his staff. Lots of loyalty both ways in a profession where most are gypsies.
Well, since nobody else said it, I'll be that guy:
I hope they don't call Schiano. Our recruiting would be DOOOOOOOOMED
I hope they don't call Schiano. Our recruiting would be DOOOOOOOOMED
I think what we've never seen is a year with so many openings "in season". But actual number of openings in total isn't out of the norm yet. Right now it seems like things that would have happened later are just being pulled forward.
The last 2 years there were about 7 openings and this year as of now there are 8. But if you look beyond the last 2 years to 2009-2010 there were about 10-14 P5 openings in any given year. So it seems more like a reversion to the norm at this point. I put it a link in that "not the year to be looking for a coach thread" You can look farther back but I didn't.
So the last 2 years were better circumstances to hire a coach because of less competition but this year seems to be back to the norm.
Well this season hasn't even ended. Surely there are more coming. If you have the research prior to the last two years, I'd love to see it.
Like I said it's in that other thread. I put a link in it too. I only went back as far as 2009-2010 but you can go back farther and see.
Yea there are likely to be more in the in offseason but my point is are there really more in total or are the openings just being pulled forward to in season and would they have been open anyway at the end of the season.
It's like retailers or automakers sometimes giving great deals to boost the current quarter's earnings. Are they really selling more or are they really just pulling sales forward and taking it from future quarters? That's kind of the same thing here as of now.
Here's part of my post from the other thread with the accompanying link:
It has the changes for the 2012, 2013 as well. So last year, 2014 there were 7 P5 changes. 2013 there were also 7 by my count on the list. 2012 there were 13 changes. 2011 14 changes 2010 12 changes and 2009 10 changes.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coaching_changes_2014.html
This. Our AD hire reeks of a Mickey Mouse operation.
Hopefully the new top person at RU in June 2016 will bring forward B1G level hires.
Give or take 1, there were 15 new head coaches in the FBS this year. Being there are at least 7 interim coaches half way thru this year, I'd have to think the number will be greater in 2016 but probably less than 2013 when there were more than 25.
I wouldn't look at the FBS number just the P5 number as that's our competition. The last 2 years were lower (7 each year) and a better time to hire a coach but as of now this year doesn't seem out of the norm except for the fact that so many are happening in season. We have 8 P5 openings total right now. We had 10-14 P5 openings going back to 2009 and if you skip over the last 2 years. So just to get to that you have 2-6 more openings leeway.
I'm willing to let the results play out, but there is no question that she is very fortunate to have been chosen for such a big role from her previous role. Outside of Rutgers, which has a unique set of hiring criteria, no school would entrust such an important role to someone who has never done it before.
If Flood is let go this year, he might be able to hook up with another P5 team with so many openings.
This just goes to show you're not as lazy. I took the easier route lol.
Do you think Purdue will be moving on? Staying on the east coast off the top of my head I'd guess that Virginia will be open and maybe Va Tech. We know Maryland, So Carolina, and Miami. Any others?
It's always possible. Throw in Purdue/UVA/Cuse/ISU/KSU and that would still put you in that 10-14 range with 1 more to spare. I'm not saying it's a great year to hire a coach, the last 2 years were but it seems like a more normal year with the abnormality being that so many happened in season.
Really we'll only know for sure at the end of the year. Right now we don't know if it's just regular churn being pulled forward into the season or if it's actually extra churn.
So I did a quick look and took it even farther back on all the years available on the link I posted. So going from 2009 to 2001 here are the number of P5 openings.
11, 11, 12, 4, 13, 4, 11,8, 17
So the high water mark dating back to 2001 is 17 and the low was 4 a couple times. More years than not though there were a double digit number of openings in the P5.
11, 11, 12, 4, 13, 4, 11,8, 17
So the high water mark dating back to 2001 is 17 and the low was 4 a couple times. More years than not though there were a double digit number of openings in the P5.
If we don't move this year, we most likely will hire one of the retreads like Golden or Hazell next year. All possible good candidates will be gone after this year and any new coaches from the lower level will need 2-3 years to judge their results. A coordinator without any head coaching experience might be the other answer.
Your surrounding circumstances are your circumstances and looking at it they don't seem extenuating. Last couple years were actually better but this seems more like the norm outside of the in season nature of it.
Like I said in one of the other threads. If after a deliberation/analysis you feel the correct course is to take action and make a move, then you do so. You can't let the fear or failure or a particular set of circumstances stop you. Who's to say how many openings there are next year? Maybe more, maybe less, maybe the same, you don't know. Could we predict this many in season changes? The main thing is do your due diligence then figure out the course of action. Whether it's staying put or making a move, you can't let the fear of this or that control you.
Does Minn support the school? If they do then them because NJ doesn't support Rutgers.
