Jersey Players

[madchuck]

I was watching the Penn State, Ohio State game this weekend and I couldn't help but think what the State of the Program would be if any coach could ever keep NJ players home. Noah Brown, Blacknall, Gesecki, two of the Penn State linebackers, Sickles, etc. are all New Jersey players. Penn State isn't a great football team but they have the talent to hang with the big boys. A lot of their talent is ripped from our backyard. Hopefully Ash and co could get some of these guys to stay. Schiano was on that track before he left.

 

[dclionsfan]

Gonna be tough with the resources of psu michigan and Osu

 

[Lionguy32]

These days you should be more concerned with Michigan. They seem to have a very nice pipeline going with Paramus Catholic.

 

[CNJKnight]

After singleton PC won't have much left to pipeline to UM.

 

[newell138]

This has been the problem for some 40 years now.

 

[jerzeyguy]

We can do it without a 100k stadium.. You just need a big time coach. Big time coach and winning games..

 

[RutgersROB]

Fitzpatrick on Alabama as well

 

[RU at the shore]

....this is not ever going to happen...

Even Schiano , who did extraordinary work recruiting NJ, knew that to be successful he had to go elsewhere and made tremendous progress in New York, South Florida, Delmarva and Eastern Pa.

There will always be top jersey kids going to ND, Mich, PSU, etc.

We need to get some jersey kids but also get the guys that fall just short of the list at OSU, UM, PSU, etc.

 

[drewbagel423]

Fitzpatrick on Alabama as well

Wasn't he committed to us for a time? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

 

[urbanecane]

I think this is why most of us diehards keep coming back for more. While RU may never be Ohio State or Michigan, they have something that Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Michigan State will never have: a whole bunch of 4 and 5* players within 2 hours. Just have to get the ball rolling in the Big 10.

 

[koleszar]

After singleton PC won't have much left to pipeline to UM.

What are you saying, Jim won't be giving their commencement speech next year? Or that principle Vail's phone calls will suddenly begin to start going to voicemail?:D

 

[koleszar]

....this is not ever going to happen...

Even Schiano , who did extraordinary work recruiting NJ, knew that to be successful he had to go elsewhere and made tremendous progress in New York, South Florida, Delmarva and Eastern Pa.

There will always be top jersey kids going to ND, Mich, PSU, etc.

We need to get some jersey kids but also get the guys that fall just short of the list at OSU, UM, PSU, etc.

Sorry but you give Schiano/ Hafley, the B1G to sell recruits instead of a dying Big East. He's pulling in a bunch of the top 10 in state recruits. Sure he'd lose some but the majority would stick around. He just started to get it done in his last few years before he screwed us and bolted for the Glazer's.

Flood was a joke and destroyed relationships in all corners of NJ, it just wasn't his coaching. Now we have to rebuild those relationships and respectability back up with NJ recruits. The man did a lot of damage off the field as well.

 

[B0ski]

The Ohio Players were pretty damn good back in the day.

 

[RU-05]

We don't need them all, just a good %. Ash does seem to be on the right track. Just can't let the losses pile up too deep.

I do believe that in addition to the TV market, the B1G saw us as a team with on field potential due to the strength on NJ HS football.

 

[e5fdny]

I was watching the Penn State, Ohio State game this weekend and I couldn't help but think what the State of the Program would be if any coach could ever keep NJ players home. Noah Brown, Blacknall, Gesecki, two of the Penn State linebackers, Sickles, etc. are all New Jersey players. Penn State isn't a great football team but they have the talent to hang with the big boys. A lot of their talent is ripped from our backyard. Hopefully Ash and co could get some of these guys to stay. Schiano was on that track before he left.

Keith Jackson used to give the same exact speech every Saturday whenever somebody from NJ made a play.

 

[BoogieKnight]

....this is not ever going to happen...

Even Schiano , who did extraordinary work recruiting NJ, knew that to be successful he had to go elsewhere and made tremendous progress in New York, South Florida, Delmarva and Eastern Pa.

There will always be top jersey kids going to ND, Mich, PSU, etc.

We need to get some jersey kids but also get the guys that fall just short of the list at OSU, UM, PSU, etc.

Been saying for years, can't just do it with Jersey kids but also, NJ isn't the only state where top players leave. Even Ohio has high school players go to Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, etc. and Ohio State is a machine.

We need to build DEPTH in all position groups and NJ high school football doesn't have that depth at a Power 5 level...even if we keep every single kid home which no state does. We need to hit NYC, east AND western PA, MD, VA and Florida and get into Ohio and Illinois a little.

 

[Steveriknight]

There was a dream that was Rome...

 

[RU31trap]

During the 80's Miami would poach the very best athletes from NJ. Does anyone remember Brent Musburger (I think) say something along the lines "only if Rutgers could keep some of these athletes in NJ".

 

[ashokan]

RU hasn't always done well with its top recruits. Savage was a fiasco; Huggins never really bloomed; Hamilton is good but not great; Carroo career had sketchy streak through it. RU hasn't always brought the best out its best and I think more recruits and HS coaches think of that than gets mentioned. AD panned out and that was probably more due to size/ability. If it hadn't been for some recruits from NY (Rice, Leonard, Greene, McCourtys, Lee, Girault) RU probably doesn't have L'ville in 06. So you keep getting recruits from NY and FL and PA and MD and pull the NJ players as team gets better. Wisconsin and Nebby can't live with in-state recruiting. National recruiting can be done in B1G.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Shame on their parents for not instilling them with Jersey Pride.

 

[MrsScrew]

Been saying for years, can't just do it with Jersey kids but also, NJ isn't the only state where top players leave. Even Ohio has high school players go to Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, etc. and Ohio State is a machine.

We need to build DEPTH in all position groups and NJ high school football doesn't have that depth at a Power 5 level...even if we keep every single kid home which no state does. We need to hit NYC, east AND western PA, MD, VA and Florida and get into Ohio and Illinois a little.

Ash said, literally, the same exact thing last night at the TD Club meeting. He said at tOSU the goal was to keep 7/10 and he would try to maintain that goal here in NJ as well.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Ash said, literally, the same exact thing last night at the TD Club meeting. He said at tOSU the goal was to keep 7/10 and he would try to maintain that goal here in NJ as well.

To be clear, Ash referenced the goal of keeping seven of New Jersey's top 10 recruits each cycle? That's setting a high bar.

 

[MrsScrew]

To be clear, Ash referenced the goal of keeping seven of New Jersey's top 10 recruits each cycle? That's setting a high bar.

7/10 NJ commits. because he referenced that tOSU tries to get Ohio recruits but that some of them leave to go to Alabama or Michigan and that they ended up with 7/10.
IIRC he was talking commits and not recruits but I can't remember exactly.

@Tango Two you were at the meeting, right? do you remember this part?

 

[lyndj]

To be clear, Ash referenced the goal of keeping seven of New Jersey's top 10 recruits each cycle? That's setting a high bar.

Shouldn't that be the bar that Ash should be setting. You don't aim low and hope for high. I'm sure every coach aims to keep at least the top 5 in state recruits home. Why should Ash be any different, regardless of what their current record is? Is it a tall task? Sure. It's difficult for PSU to maintain year to year but the goal remains the same.

 

[Tango Two]

7/10 NJ commits. because he referenced that tOSU tries to get Ohio recruits but that some of them leave to go to Alabama or Michigan and that they ended up with 7/10.
IIRC he was talking commits and not recruits but I can't remember exactly.

@Tango Two you were at the meeting, right? do you remember this part?

Recruits as I recall

 

[gef21]

I have a player, a linemen, who is currently on a top 5 program that the flood era coaches were not interested in. He is a 6 5 340 pound linemen.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

I think we need to start playing games in florida every couple of years to recruit florida like we did under schiano.
I'm not opposed to having 2-2 series or paid games with UCF, USF, FIU, FSU, UF where we can play in Florida.

Same goes for Texas. If we can play a game in Texas and in Florida (maybe even in California) every couple of years that would help with recruiting nationally and with brand recognition (especially if we start winning).

We can't rely on regional recruiting anymore. Get the majority from the northeast but fill out the rest of the class from those from Florida, Texas and California etc. JMHO.

 

[CNJKnight]

I have a player, a linemen, who is currently on a top 5 program that the flood era coaches were not interested in. He is a 6 5 340 pound linemen.

And your point is? Listening......

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

7/10 NJ commits. because he referenced that tOSU tries to get Ohio recruits but that some of them leave to go to Alabama or Michigan and that they ended up with 7/10.
IIRC he was talking commits and not recruits but I can't remember exactly.

@Tango Two you were at the meeting, right? do you remember this part?

Ah, ok. You meant 7-10 recruits, whereas I was reading your use of the slash (7/10) as a reference to the top 10 in a given year. The former is obviously much more attainable.

 

[MrsScrew]

Ah, ok. You meant 7-10 recruits, whereas I was reading your use of the slash (7/10) as a reference to the top 10 in a given year. The former is obviously much more attainable.

no, I meant 7 of 10. he said they make offers to 10 and hope to keep 7 of them.

 

[soundcrib]

We SHOULD be getting 7 out of the top 10 in NJ if we want to be more than just competitive. Who cares about the Penn State guy's comments?

 

[RUnTeX]

no, I meant 7 of 10. he said they make offers to 10 and hope to keep 7 of them.

Just to try to clarify, is it Top 10 in NJ or just any 10 in NJ (which Ash wants/pursues)? If the latter, then hopefully all 10 would still perhaps be Top 20-25 in NJ. I think that's where the confusion lies between what you've described in the past few posts and the PSU guy's attempt at trying to clarify/understand what you meant.

I would have to agree that landing 7 of the top 10 in NJ every year is a high bar. Who knows, maybe down the road that can be attainable. That assumes Ash would actually want each and every one of the Top 10 when, in any given year, that may not be the case due to fit, need, interest, etc. It's probably Ash and the staff's own Top 10 they pursue based on recruiting need.

 

[dandy11]

Rutgers 3 first round NFL picks have come from N.J.All of their All Pro,Pro Bowl, and leaders in a category,have come from NJ,except for Ray Rice.

Leonte Caroo had an extraordinary career at Rutgers.Pro Football Focus said over the last 2 years,he was the best deep receiver in college football.He was a 3rd round pick and if he were healthy he could have gone higher.

NJ produces a remarkable number of NFL players.
2 years ago NJ had 73 players in the NFL.We were 7th,Louisiana was 6th with 75.PA-64,Virginia-62,MD-38,and NY-36.NY and MD combined have 1 more than NJ.

Rutgers is at their nadir,but they still have 18 players in the pros.Northwestern has only 6,Michigan-17,Md-13, Pitt-13,and Temple has 8.Ohio State leads the Big Ten with 40,and Penn State is second with 30.Michigan has signed more top players in 1 class than Rutgers has recruited in their history.It is amazing that at least for 1 year, Rutgers is ahead of Michigan.

When Rutgers was at their zenith,Shiano did relatively well in the state.Ash has to sign some of the top players in NJ.Greg Shiano transformed a program that was dismissed by NFL scouts,to a team that in 1 draft class produced 10 NFL players.Many of those players were from NJ.Greg recruited dozens of Florida players.How many were drafted?The answer is virtually none.

Ash has to dramatically improve Rutgers recruiting and needs to recruit some of the top NJ players to succeed.

 

[RU-05]

If Ash was referencing Urban, I'd assume it's 7 of 10.

Is that a high bar? yeah, again Urban, that guy certainly sets high bars. Not sure how often even he reaches that mark, but as noted, why set a low bar?

 

[gef21]

And your point is? Listening......

My point is that I do not think they did a great job of recruiting. I think they did a so so job of identifying talent. This was a kid, who wanted to go to Rutgers, and they showed him no interest. He now has a serious chance of winning a national championship. He was recruited by that school before they even saw his tape.

My point is that the last few years was a terrible recruiting cycle for Rutgers and that was a direct reason many of our NJ players were poached from the state. With time I believe that Ash will keep the players that we need to compete on a national level.

 

[CNJKnight]

My point is that I do not think they did a great job of recruiting. I think they did a so so job of identifying talent. This was a kid, who wanted to go to Rutgers, and they showed him no interest. He now has a serious chance of winning a national championship. He was recruited by that school before they even saw his tape.

My point is that the last few years was a terrible recruiting cycle for Rutgers and that was a direct reason many of our NJ players were poached from the state. With time I believe that Ash will keep the players that we need to compete on a national level.

Can't argue with that. This group of coaches are relentless in looking for the best talent for the team and we have no doubt they will bring in the top talent. Glad your kid has that opportunity to do that. Not many do. Good luck to him! Hopefully the coaches can find the next "him" and keep him home next time. Unless he wants to graduate early and transfer back :) Thanks for detailing.

 

[gef21]

Can't argue with that. This group of coaches are relentless in looking for the best talent for the team and we have no doubt they will bring in the top talent. Glad your kid has that opportunity to do that. Not many do. Good luck to him! Hopefully the coaches can find the next "him" and keep him home next time. Unless he wants to graduate early and transfer back :) Thanks for detailing.

I will always push my kids to Rutgers. Except for 1. I told 1 kid not to go to Rutgers and he is currently having a very solid season at a high level school.

 

[ruthetiger]

The Ohio Players were pretty damn good back in the day.

Lmao

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Is this one of those retro threads from the mid 70's?

 

[ru8081]

Rutgers 3 first round NFL picks have come from N.J.All of their All Pro,Pro Bowl, and leaders in a category,have come from NJ,except for Ray Rice.

Leonte Caroo had an extraordinary career at Rutgers.Pro Football Focus said over the last 2 years,he was the best deep receiver in college football.He was a 3rd round pick and if he were healthy he could have gone higher.

NJ produces a remarkable number of NFL players.
2 years ago NJ had 73 players in the NFL.We were 7th,Louisiana was 6th with 75.PA-64,Virginia-62,MD-38,and NY-36.NY and MD combined have 1 more than NJ.

Rutgers is at their nadir,but they still have 18 players in the pros.Northwestern has only 6,Michigan-17,Md-13, Pitt-13,and Temple has 8.Ohio State leads the Big Ten with 40,and Penn State is second with 30.Michigan has signed more top players in 1 class than Rutgers has recruited in their history.It is amazing that at least for 1 year, Rutgers is ahead of Michigan.

When Rutgers was at their zenith,Shiano did relatively well in the state.Ash has to sign some of the top players in NJ.Greg Shiano transformed a program that was dismissed by NFL scouts,to a team that in 1 draft class produced 10 NFL players.Many of those players were from NJ.Greg recruited dozens of Florida players.How many were drafted?The answer is virtually none.

Ash has to dramatically improve Rutgers recruiting and needs to recruit some of the top NJ players to succeed.

Being 7th is misleading. Florida has 3 times, at least, the number of players drafted.