He's working on being a screenwriter in California. There's a nice interview with him in "On The Banks" about Pike, the coaches, and players, and how they all work together. Worth a read.
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did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent mattersI don’t buy these kinds of feel-good analyses, even from insiders. Coaches all across America past and present have similar models and say the same things but what it comes down to is getting better players.
Does Rutgers have a better culture than Minnesota ? Does Purdue have the best culture and will their culture worsen when Edey leaves ?
There’s nothing interesting or insightful there.
Must suck to live in such a miserable glass half empty worldI don’t buy these kinds of homer feel-good analyses, even from insiders. Coaches all across America past and present have similar models and say the same things but what it comes down to is getting better players.
Does Rutgers have a better culture than Minnesota ? Does Purdue have the best culture and will their culture worsen when Edey leaves ?
How’s Schiano’s Chop culture working out ? Or remember F.A.M.I.L.Y. ?
There’s nothing interesting or insightful there. It’s just vapid internet blather/filler.
Geo, it so funny that you said this. I was thinking the exact same thing last night watching the game. Minnesota's defense was non existent last night. They had zero sense of commitment or pride on D. That all comes from coaching.did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent matters
I attribute that to stark talent deficit. Recently-departed #0 and #24 began the talent upgrade, maybe you remember them ha ha ha.did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent matters
Pike was dealing with a ‘stark talent deficit’ when he got here, but you saw an immediate upgrade in effort, especially with regard to defense and rebounding. He established a culture that serves us well today, and is still paying dividends. We have an identity now, and it’s one that fosters winning.I attribute that to stark talent deficit. Recently-departed #0 and #24 began the talent upgrade, maybe you remember them ha ha ha.
Did RU culture not make the trip to Iowa ? What happened to our culture when #4 and #22 didn’t play earlier this year ?
I’m not criticizing the coach, the players, or the culture. I’m saying what differentiates team success is talent and that story is sizzle, not steak.
It’s just wrong to suggest culture is a significant reason for increasing success. Someday our success will wane. Culture won’t be why.
What conference teams have poor culture ? Show your work.
Don't bother Geo, trust us, it's not worth even 30-seconds of your time he's a stubborn one lol!did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent matters
This. It was night and day when he got here. The fans noticed too and started coming back to the RAC. Did we still get overwhelmed on many nights, particularly in league? Sure, but you could see the complete change in effort. Going to games was fun again and not something that felt like an obligation because I paid for the tickets. I think Shelby just enjoys being a board contrarian and he knows he’s full of it many times.Pike was dealing with a ‘stark talent deficit’ when he got here, but you saw an immediate upgrade in effort, especially with regard to defense and rebounding. He established a culture that serves us well today, and is still paying dividends. We have an identity now, and it’s one that fosters winning.
I attribute that to stark talent deficit. Recently-departed #0 and #24 began the talent upgrade, maybe you remember them ha ha ha.
Did RU culture not make the trip to Iowa ? What happened to our culture when #4 and #22 didn’t play earlier this year ?
I’m not criticizing the coach, the players, or the culture. I’m saying what differentiates team success is talent and that story is sizzle, not steak.
It’s just wrong to suggest culture is a significant reason for increasing success. Someday our success will wane. Culture won’t be why.
What conference teams have poor culture ? Show your work.
Not even a random guy. A significantly below replacement level poster.Hmmm. Not sure whose take holds more weight with me. Geo Freakin' Baker or some random guy on the internet.
Everyone has these same things but actually implementing, and running a program by them are two different things.I don’t buy these kinds of homer feel-good analyses, even from insiders. Coaches all across America past and present have similar models and say the same things but what it comes down to is getting better players.
Does Rutgers have a better culture than Minnesota ? Does Purdue have the best culture and will their culture worsen when Edey leaves ?
How’s Schiano’s Chop culture working out ? Or remember F.A.M.I.L.Y. ?
There’s nothing interesting or insightful there. It’s just vapid internet blather/filler.
Increasing talent is showing up because we won. We won with underrated culture guys who bought in top to bottom. Now we can bring in elite players who fir the culture model. That is how long term success in any athletic program is created.I completely understand work ethic, expectations, etc., and I promise you #0 would agree RU doesn't have a culture advantage over other teams either in any season or since Pike took over. That's ridiculous. Makes no sense.
Does Pike instill a specific brand or identity ? Absolutely. A specific culture, yes. But that is not why the program has improved. The assertion in the story attributing it to culture is nonsense, which is my only point. Every team has a culture, and most are perfectly suited to winning basketball but only with superior talent.
RU's rise is due to increasing talent, period.
I didn't know you were measuring our contributions with analytics. I need to be more careful around you. Never know when you can get traded to another board or designated for assignment. 😄Not even a random guy. A significantly below replacement level poster.
I understand your logic, but i believe the opposite. No one has answered the ‘which teams’ cultures are poorest ?’ question because they’d first look at the standings to answer, which would disprove their view.Increasing talent is showing up because we won. We won with underrated culture guys who bought in top to bottom. Now we can bring in elite players who fir the culture model. That is how long term success in any athletic program is created.
This is flawed because the guy has been killed many times on this board for not recruiting better talent and relying too heavily on the development model. I have read numerous posts dismissing players early in their careers because they were supposedly under-the-radar recruits who would never cut it at this level. One particular favorite of mine was the thread suggesting Caleb would transfer down a level after his first year following his first Big 10 game. Another gem was the thread with folks being done with Mag earlier this season.I completely understand work ethic, expectations, etc., and I promise you #0 would agree RU doesn't have a culture advantage over other teams either in any season or since Pike took over. That's ridiculous. Makes no sense.
Does Pike instill a specific brand or identity ? Absolutely. A specific culture, yes. But that is not why the program has improved. The assertion in the story attributing it to culture is nonsense, which is my only point. Every team has a culture, and most are perfectly suited to winning basketball but only with superior talent.
RU's rise is due to increasing talent, period.
Are there stats on who leads the board in being ignored?Not even a random guy. A significantly below replacement level poster.
Not sure I understand your question but I was clear in my post - out of the starting five Mag and Caleb. People have questioned his recruiting all the way from Simpson to Geo to EO. That has been a constant source of bitching here and now you’re trying to argue that he is rolling in talent that walked in the door and he and the culture he established had nothing to do with it. You’re as wrong as two left shoes.Pete, which main players were cited here as over-recruited ?
Kentucky. One national championship in 15 years with about 8 5 stars on the roster every year.I understand your logic, but i believe the opposite. No one has answered the ‘which teams’ cultures are poorest ?’ question because they’d first look at the standings to answer, which would disprove their view.
Eh i tried to ignore but alright I’ll bite lol. Nebraska is the perfect example of a team with no culture. Last year their backcourt was arguably the most talented in the league. But when you keep having your entire roster transfer in and out, you don’t emphasize the little things it takes to win, you don’t emphasize staying out of trouble off the court, bad shit happens lol. I remember seeing their assistant coach laughing and joking after we snuck past them at their place last year. You would NEVER see a Rutgers coach do that after a loss.You're missing the point like everyone else. I keep asking: point out a team with a weak culture. Culture doesn't lead to winning.
How come culture isn't working for Schiano ? Lack of talent. What's Purdue's culture ? Tell me all about the '96 Yankees culture while you are at it. Was it better than the Mets culture ?
What happened to the Popovich Spurs culture without Duncan, Robinson or later, Kawhii Leonard ?
*1,000,000did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent matters
Geo - it's hard, but try to ignore him. He's an ill-informed troll, who has no understanding of the importance of culture in team sports and probably in the work world. It's no surprise that the companies that score best in profitability and other bottom line measures happen to be the ones with the best culture scores (see the link for an insight into the Towers-Watson culture surveys/results). Culture is critical to every cooperative endeavor.Eh i tried to ignore but alright I’ll bite lol. Nebraska is the perfect example of a team with no culture. Last year their backcourt was arguably the most talented in the league. But when you keep having your entire roster transfer in and out, you don’t emphasize the little things it takes to win, you don’t emphasize staying out of trouble off the court, bad shit happens lol. I remember seeing their assistant coach laughing and joking after we snuck past them at their place last year. You would NEVER see a Rutgers coach do that after a loss.
The reason freshmen usually struggle: they aren’t used to the culture. They have no idea what it takes to win a college basketball game regardless of talent. The ones who adjust to the culture end up playing. Or sometimes in Kentucky’s case, the freshmen never adjust which is when they end up not being as good as people expect them to be.
Rutgers 1st year of Pike vs the year before. Basically all the same guys. culture change led to improvement. The list can really go on
He just consistently chooses the weirdest hills to die onNot even a random guy. A significantly below replacement level poster.
Shelby, you’ve been eviscerated. Take a lap.Eh i tried to ignore but alright I’ll bite lol. Nebraska is the perfect example of a team with no culture. Last year their backcourt was arguably the most talented in the league. But when you keep having your entire roster transfer in and out, you don’t emphasize the little things it takes to win, you don’t emphasize staying out of trouble off the court, bad shit happens lol. I remember seeing their assistant coach laughing and joking after we snuck past them at their place last year. You would NEVER see a Rutgers coach do that after a loss.
The reason freshmen usually struggle: they aren’t used to the culture. They have no idea what it takes to win a college basketball game regardless of talent. The ones who adjust to the culture end up playing. Or sometimes in Kentucky’s case, the freshmen never adjust which is when they end up not being as good as people expect them to be.
Rutgers 1st year of Pike vs the year before. Basically all the same guys. culture change led to improvement. The list can really go on
Pike would have had Hill’s teams dancing. I have no doubt about that.Good culture = posts like the previous one
Bad culture = steaks of turmoil
did you not see the way Minnesota was playing defense yesterday? Would that have ever flown with Pike at any point in his Rutgers coaching career? You don’t think that same group of guys for Minnesota would’ve played with a different type of defensive intensity under pike? Culture 100 percent matters
maybe you are non-binary, but....It’s not binary. Sure talent helps a lot. So does culture. Two things can be happening at the same time. As others have mentioned, Duke and Kentucky aren’t exactly performing at the level you’d expect if talent was the only indicator of success.
Joke fail, but thanks for admitting I’m right by your deflection.maybe you are non-binary, but....