Jordan or Who ?
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Probably would have, but at the time Cox ( through no fault of his own) was too close to the Rice scandal to be a wise choice PR wise.
David was smart enough to stay under Eddie till the smoke cleared and he could move on.
But even then it wasn't a major program he went to and you would think a assistant that is being though of as a great choice for the RU HCing position could have latched on as an assistant at a bigger school then URI.
That's fine you can disagree with me but as said above all coaches have career aspirations and some are hungrier than others. Masiello strikes me as one of those hungrier types who would be willing to move up the food chain to a job like ours even if it isn't ideal circumstances. Rice didn't work out here but he struck me was a hungry guy willing to move up the food chain anywhere and Masiello seems similar in that respect to me.
There is also the JH connections with Louisville/Pitino as well. Again the full share of B10 money will be coming in during a new coach's tenure. He took USF and while they may have newer facilities I certainly don't consider that job a giant leap above ours and certainly not with our prospects down the line. If you believe what one poster with close ties with him says, he believes Masiello would take the job as well assuming he's still at Manhattan if and when a change is made here. If he's somewhere else well then that's a different story.
I don't get the JH/Louisville/Pitino connection being a known positive with Masiello. Is there any proof of that ? It's like saying that Joe Quinlan as Asst AD at RU has a positive connection to Greg Schiano.
Has Pitino ever spoken publicly about JH or are certain posters assuming a positive relationship between the two ?
Has Pitino ever spoken publicly about JH or are certain posters assuming a positive relationship between the two ?
In 3 years rutgers will have a practice facility and 3 million/yr to pay a coach. Someone will want this job. It is not a career breaker as long as you can coach well. Take a HS coach from the area. Do whatever you have to do. Don't take a coach that is over 50.
Get to .500 and your recruiting job becomes a lot easier. Right now off a ten win season our recruiting job is close to impossible. Malik Ellis and Freeman? They're probably not coming here.
If we can just get a coach who is very good at coaching and show him a pf and a 3mil/yr salary, we can win some games and get out of this hole.
Get to .500 and your recruiting job becomes a lot easier. Right now off a ten win season our recruiting job is close to impossible. Malik Ellis and Freeman? They're probably not coming here.
If we can just get a coach who is very good at coaching and show him a pf and a 3mil/yr salary, we can win some games and get out of this hole.
Nope it is just an assumption on my part but as in any industry, not just here, people who takeover at new jobs sometimes try to bring in others they have worked with in the past. I'm assuming there was a good working relationship between Jurich/JH/Pitino and those on his staff. I'd think there would have been interactions between Pitino/JH and JH and members of the staff.
I think a better analogy would be say KMac took over somewhere and Schiano was still out there or someone really good that was on his staff well then yea I'd think it would be a logical connection to make. Actually take the reverse look and see all the RU people Schiano took with him to TB, including KMac.
This post was edited on 3/31 5:18 PM by rutgersguy1
I don't get the JH/Louisville/Pitino connection being a known positive with Masiello. Is there any proof of that ? It's like saying that Joe Quinlan as Asst AD at RU has a positive connection to Greg Schiano.
She was the #2 person in the athletic department do you think they had no interaction with each other as if there was some wall up because she's not a direct head of the sport. Jurich has said she was involved in many important decisions he made while she was there. She was in charge of WBB and I'm sure had many interactions with the MBB staff through that as well. The point isn't influence the point is working relationship which they most assuredly had. The only assumption I make is that it was a good working relationship and if it was there's nothing illogical in thinking that she would try to bring someone in who she has had a relationship with in the past and that a person like Masiello wouldn't want to work with her as well.
Do you really think USF is a much more attractive option than RU? I don't. They may have a new arena but we have better prospects for the future with increased money and eventually facilities. USF is a dead end. We look like a dead end right now but in the future likely will have some potential for a hungry coach. If he took USF, I see no reason why he wouldn't be interested in RU assuming he's still at Manhattan and if we're looking for a coach.
our best bet is a guy who had success somewhere, went somewhere else and did a decent job but not good enough for a dellusional fanbase or got fired for some violation or whatever: Jamie Dixon, Bruce Pearl, Steve Lavin, that kind of coach
I was in favor of the Jordan hire. H e wanted the job, was a loyal sin a deserved a shot.
If next year does not go well, any chance we could get Tommy Amaker to take another shot at the B1G and another Jersey school?
He recruited well while in NJ, didn't pan out in UM, but has Harvard in tourney every year.
If next year does not go well, any chance we could get Tommy Amaker to take another shot at the B1G and another Jersey school?
He recruited well while in NJ, didn't pan out in UM, but has Harvard in tourney every year.
bac,
I know that you don't want to read this but JH was the Joe Quinlan of Louisville.
Tell me where this opinion doesn't wash, if you can.
I know that you don't want to read this but JH was the Joe Quinlan of Louisville.
Tell me where this opinion doesn't wash, if you can.
for starters don't compare a successful athletic program across the board like Louisville to Rutgers during the Quinlan era starting with Shea as head coach and GS for some terrible losing seasons. Keep it coming but these two athletic programs have or had nothing in common so don't start here
That's it ? Got anything else ?
both were Asst AD's and were responsible for the remainder of sports with the exception of FB and BB. RU probably fielded more sports than UL in those days.
Are you inferring that JH had something to do with UL's FB and BB successes while Quinlan was somehow responsible for RU's failures ? And what does Shea have to do with it since Mulcahy ran RU FB himself ?
they both had the same job responsibilities. Quinlan worked in the NY area market with greater media presence than what UL was exposed to. The only thing I'm aware of with JH at UL is that she discounted WBB tix to $ 10 each to get people to come to the games. You would probably know a lot more about her UL resume than me.
Amaker would be a strong candidate. He has much more of a track record than the low major coaches that have been talked about many times on this board. RU has gone the low major route many times, and it has failed. It makes no sense to do the same thing. EJ deserves a fair chance (at least 5 years) because he inherited a mess. But after that, RU should at least bring in a coach with A-10 experience.
Getting back to Amaker, the issue would be facility upgrades. I don't think a coach like him would touch this job without a guarantee for real upgrades (not just "planning"). Is RU ready to do that now or in the future? We'll see.
Last one from me on this subject. What part of Louisville's athletic success is directly attributable to JH ? We know what Petrino, Pitino and Jurich did, so what did JH contribute to UL's success ?
Conistently top 30-40 in directors cup and 2nd only to Notre Dame in the Big East. Learned under probably one of to few ADs out there...do not embarrass yourself further by knocking her qualifications
Hard to say what could be directly attributable to Hermann , but Jurich said this about her:
"I know the type of person she is.She worked for me twice. She
worked for me at Arizona prior to her getting the Tennessee job and then she
worked for me the past 15 and a half years so I have nothing but high praise for
Julie and the job she did for me ".
I think that could be interpreted that Julie did a great job at Louisville and was part their Athletic Department putting out successful programs. With most sucessful programs , the credit is given to the HC . Others ( including the #2 in Athletic Department) accomplishments are not reported and usually the AD gets all the credit for the successful programs his department oversees .
But you can be sure a sucessful AD will not hire someone who worked for him before, if she wasn't good at her job.
MADHAT1,
Wasn't it at Tenessee where she Mike Riced her players and was dismissed as Women's Volleyball coach because her players refused to play for her ? And yet you use this as an example of the great leadership skills she has ? Pls correct me if I got this wrong.
Wasn't it at Tenessee where she Mike Riced her players and was dismissed as Women's Volleyball coach because her players refused to play for her ? And yet you use this as an example of the great leadership skills she has ? Pls correct me if I got this wrong.
Ahhhhh no and nothing she alleged to have done was even close to Mike Rice worthy and would be more inline with coaching in those days. Let's not forget Pat Summitt was WBB coach at Tenn and was notorious for being tough on her players not to mention our very own CVS. The women's AD at Tenn at the time also disputed those claims against JH as did some other players, this was always a conflicting info story right from the start and frankly not a big deal even if it were true.
I can't remember but she either left on her own to go to USA volleyball or she was let go for her poor record and went to USA Volleyball but she wasn't dismissed because of any Mike Rice like behavior.
You are a joke
Julie Hermann is in her 15th year in athletic administration at UofL, currently serving as Executive Senior Associate Athletic Director.
Hermann's primary responsibilities are supervising 20 sports (women's basketball, men's and women's cross country, field hockey, men's and women's golf, lacrosse, rowing, men's and women's soccer, softball, men's and women's swimming and diving, men's and women's tennis, men's and women's track and field, and volleyball), Student Development, Sports Medicine, Strength and Conditioning, Marketing, Development and the Olga Peers Academic unit, as well as serving as senior woman administrator.
Hermann has served on many community boards, including Frazier Rehab Institute, Metro Parks, Women 4 Women, YMCA, the Louisville Sports Commission, the Kentucky Sports Commission, the Commission on the Status of Women and the Center for Women and Families. She has served on numerous conference committees, the AVCA Hall of Fame selection committee and is the former chair of the NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Committee. She currently serves as president of the National Association of Collegiate Women's Administrators.
Actively involved in the Louisville community, Hermann was named a 2008 Woman of Distinction by the Center for Women and Families, a 2004 Ladies of Leadership award winner from the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation, the 2006 Heart of the Community award presented by Women4Women, and in 2008 she received the Mary Kay Bonsteel Tachau Gender Equity Award from UofL.
Prior to joining the UofL staff, she spent one year as an assistant coach for USA Volleyball, helping the National Team to a silver medal finish at the World University Games in 1997. Before joining the National Team, Hermann served as the head women's volleyball coach at the University of Tennessee for six seasons. Under her watch, the Lady Vol volleyball squad improved more than 150 places in the ratings percentage index (RPI) and advanced to the NCAA Tournament for the first time in a decade.
Prior to her time at Tennessee, Hermann spent one season at Northern Arizona where she was hired by current UofL AD Tom Jurich. Hermann earned the top post at NAU following two seasons as an assistant at the University of Georgia, where she helped restore the Bulldogs program to national status. Georgia recorded a 70-16 mark in her two seasons and earned a spot in the Top 20.
Hermann opened her collegiate coaching career at Wyoming where she spent two years helping the Cowgirls to the NCAA Tournament and a final eight finish.
As a student-athlete, Hermann was an All-Big Eight volleyball player at the University of Nebraska from 1981-84 as the Huskers won four conference championships, four tournament championships, appeared in four consecutive NCAA Tournaments and earned a pair of top five finishes. She was honored as the FCA College Athlete of the Year and was an FCA national platform speaker.
Maybe this statement will put that incident in the light it should be in :
>Her boss for the last 16 years, Louisiville Athletic Director Tom
Jurich, told the Star-Ledger that he'd "never seen anything but
impeccable behavior" from her in all that time. "I knew things didn't
end well," in Knoxville, "but that happens to a lot of coaches at a lot
of places."<
At the time Hermann was the Tennesse volleyball coach , a lot of coaches were hard on their players , especially if
they thought their team needed to toughen up.
I look at Julie's time as the VB coach as a learning experience for her and though she didn't think much about it when she moved to the Administration side of Tennessee sports, Hermann was qualified enough that Jurich hired her from Tennessee.
A lot of good leaders make mistakes starting out and if what she did was so bad back in 1996, why was she made
the assistant coach for USA Volleyball in 1997(USA Volleyball was at the time and still is recognized as the National Governing Body for the sport in the United States.
Here's something else that shows there are two sides to every story:
Tamala Brightman, who played at
Tennessee from 1990-93, raved about Hermann to the AP and said players
affectionately called her ''Jules.''
''When I heard these allegations, I was shocked because this was not
the coach that I knew,'' said Brightman, who had 1,781 career kills and
continues to hold the school record in that category.
Brightman said she never saw Hermann act abusively toward any player.
She added that players had such a great relationship with Hermann that
they said she reminded them of Wonder Woman.
''She was a mother figure,'' said Brightman, who now works as a
personal trainer. ''She molded us, taught us about work ethic and how to
work hard and have fun. To this day, when I coach, I put that forth in
my players.''
Marc Gesualdo, a graduate assistant for Tennessee sports information
department from 1994-96, said he didn't see any instances of abuse while
handling media inquiries for the volleyball program. Gesualdo attended
virtually all of Tennessee's games during that stretch, but he wasn't at
all practices.
Gesualdo said he had heard the players had sent a letter expressing
their dissatisfaction with Hermann, but he hadn't been aware of the
letter's contents and didn't believe it caused Hermann's exit. He said
it was ''pretty common knowledge'' going into the 1996 season that
Tennessee had to show major progress for Hermann to keep her job.
Remember the way coaches treated the players back when Hermann was a coach, was a lot different than they are supposed to do now and on losing teams , sometimes the envelop pushed for one group is taken different by another group and that group complains.
Here's some more people defending Hermann :
>Hermann was an assistant coach at Georgia in 1987-88. Former Bulldogs
player and coach and current Emory head coach Jenny McDowell said
Sunday, "I worked side-by-side with her, and she is without question one
of the finest coaches I've ever seen and is beloved by athletes. She
treated them with incredible respect and dignity."
The praise for
Hermann is clearly high at Louisville, where she was an administrator
for 15 years. Second-year volleyball coach Ann Kordes called Hermann a
mentor on Sunday.
"I'm the president of the volleyball coaches
association, and several ADs hold her in high regard," Kordes said. "The
reports are completely contradictory to who she is, her personality and
management style. She has been nothing but encouraging and supportive
of male and female coaches starting a family. The people at Rutgers got
one of the best ADs in the country. Her management style is
collaborative and supportive. Everything that is coming out from these
accusations is completely opposite of who she is and has been for 15
years at Louisville. Whatever happened (to the Tennessee players) is
important to them. She was a phenomenal AD here and treated her staff at
Louisville well. We were all terribly sad when she left."
Teena
Murray, the director of sports and performance at Louisville, was hired
by Hermann and said she had been an unbelievable advocate for her and
the strength and conditioning program.
"I've spent a lot of time
with her," Murray said. "What is being said is alarming. Those are not
my experiences. The people I know here who have worked with her say
great things about her."<
(Information from Associated Press articles was used in this reply)
Hey Knightmoves...this video is for you. Fast forward to about 3:40. I doubt you will get to the end because it will probably nauseate someone of your ilk but this is a real cool video tribute to Julie at Louisville.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV3Jq28YnNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV3Jq28YnNE
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