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The money has always been there. The question is if the willingness to spend it was there. Maybe we're seeing signs that the willingness is there.

One path forward is to spend the money it takes to start winning in the Big Ten regularly. IMO, this has the best (and only) chance to get some form of ROI on the investment. I think Delany will have advocated for this approach when they consulted him. It's not a sure thing, but it has the best potential.

Another path forward is to keep spending lower-tier money (vs. our conference mates) which is most likely to produce lower-tier results w/almost no chance of any reasonable ROI on the investment. I view this as throwing money away. In our market, with so many other entertainment options, if you're not winning, you're dead.

I am of the opinion that RU cannot survive as a Big Ten program by taking the second path. It will cost lots of money without producing enough wins to pay for itself. Even if we luck into findind a lower cost coach that produces, that coach will be lured away with bigger money.

So yeah, I have a feeling that the RU admin understands all this and was biding it's time while waiting for more Big Ten money to roll in. This past season was a step too far in the wrong direction, so they may be doing now what they intended to do all along.

At least I hope that's the case. But I'll only believe it when I see it. Rumors are just rumors.
I suspect that the willingness to spend it has been contingent on Trenton's willingness not to give us grief about it. It would seem that the new hire if nothing else is a sign of a change in that going forward. I mean I doubt Barchi was all into reducing the subsidy just for shits and giggles.
 
The money has always been there. The question is if the willingness to spend it was there. Maybe we're seeing signs that the willingness is there.

One path forward is to spend the money it takes to start winning in the Big Ten regularly. IMO, this has the best (and only) chance to get some form of ROI on the investment. I think Delany will have advocated for this approach when they consulted him. It's not a sure thing, but it has the best potential.

Another path forward is to keep spending lower-tier money (vs. our conference mates) which is most likely to produce lower-tier results w/almost no chance of any reasonable ROI on the investment. I view this as throwing money away. In our market, with so many other entertainment options, if you're not winning, you're dead.

I am of the opinion that RU cannot survive as a Big Ten program by taking the second path. It will cost lots of money without producing enough wins to pay for itself. Even if we luck into findind a lower cost coach that produces, that coach will be lured away with bigger money.

So yeah, I have a feeling that the RU admin understands all this and was biding it's time while waiting for more Big Ten money to roll in. This past season was a step too far in the wrong direction, so they may be doing now what they intended to do all along.

At least I hope that's the case. But I'll only believe it when I see it. Rumors are just rumors.
Yes but rumors are fun. :)
 
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Richt would be a dream scenario. We could probably open up the vault to pay Richt $4MM+, however the problem will be budget for staff. I doubt we can go much beyond $6MM total and I doubt Richt would settle for a $2mm budget for staff. I am sure someone will offer his asking price plus a much higher assistant pool than we can. Definitely worth inquiring though.
 
Richt would be a dream scenario. We could probably open up the vault to pay Richt $4MM+, however the problem will be budget for staff. I doubt we can go much beyond $6MM total and I doubt Richt would settle for a $2mm budget for staff. I am sure someone will offer his asking price plus a much higher assistant pool than we can. Definitely worth inquiring though.
I actually think Richt could be had for 3M maybe 3.5M. Coaches with big salaries who get fired don't usually come back and make the same as they were before they got fired. There's a discount there.
 
If you are an Eagles fan and live in the Philly market, you are now a little leery of Chip Kelly being the next RUFBHC after all that has happened since the end of last season. I know he is a college coaching genius and all, but I'm not so high on him right now. The opposite of the Midas touch.
 
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Yeah Chip Kelly wouldn't talk to USC but he's willing to listen to Rutgers... Why do you guys do this to yourselves? The OP said this:

Not going to get into all that. I just wanted to share what I heard. And it seems like RU is willing to play ball with the big boys. not saying he's interested in RU or he's coming here. I'm just saying that RU reached out to him.

Cmon man.
 
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If you are an Eagles fan and live in the Philly market, you are now a little leery of Chip Kelly being the next RUFBHC after all that has happened since the end of last season. I know he is a college coaching genius and all, but I'm not so high on him right now. The opposite of the Midas touch.
Give him a mobile QB and he'll be good as new.
 
don't go crazy another name I heard was Chip Kelly. Just passing along.
Chip Kelley (and his relationship with Nike) should SERIOUSLY consider Rutgers as a toe-hold to New York City and all that this could do for them. Yeah, I know, Nike doesn't need the help.. but their sponsorship of Oregon has yielded positive results to their bottom line (with all the new jersies being sold each year).. why not an east coach branch? And I am a uniform purist who loves the 2005-2007 unis.. but for that coach and relationship I would learn to love any neon red streetwalker outfits our guys would WIN in.
 
I suspect that the willingness to spend it has been contingent on Trenton's willingness not to give us grief about it. It would seem that the new hire if nothing else is a sign of a change in that going forward. I mean I doubt Barchi was all into reducing the subsidy just for shits and giggles.
Agreed. There would have to be support from above or none of this happens. Still might not happen. But it's exciting to consider at least.
 
If we are stepping up our game, I'd like to find a high profile coach that would come here.

Spending helps, but you still need to convince the person to come. No easy task.
 
My intention was to let everyone know that RU is doing everything in their power to land a big name coach.

I don't think we needed a post with no source and flip flopping to be informed as such. I actually think the general consensus was we knew this already? No need for this.
 
I actually think Richt could be had for 3M maybe 3.5M. Coaches with big salaries who get fired don't usually come back and make the same as they were before they got fired. There's a discount there.
Usually coaches get fired for under-performance. Richt has outperformed on every realistic measure other than championships. I am guessing letting Richt go will be a decision UGA will regret for a long time coming. Plus it is a sellers market. You have a lot of big budget athletic programs looking for coaches and Richt is easily the surest bet of any of the available options. There will be a bidding war for his services without a doubt.
 
People need to relax a little on this. Yes, these guys have been contacted. It is just part of the due diligence that is appropriate from an AD/Hiring Committee at this stage of the game. There's no disincentive to kicking the tires. Of course you send out feelers to Mark Richt, Dan Mullen, and yes even Chip Kelly. It does NOT mean the interest is reciprocated. Of course, everybody is willing to make a move for the right price, but realistically the price we'd have to pay any of these guys to come to RU would be absurdly high. There are, quite simply, other programs out there that offer easier paths to success than RU does, so we'd have to pay significantly more than those schools will, and I just don't see it happening. I mean hey, if we could pay Chip Kelly $15M a year I'm sure he'd love to coach here. But realistically USC sent out feelers and couldn't bring him in, so there's really no reason to think RU can.

I think Richt will be out of our range too, as there are a few other "better" openings out there right now that would love to have him and I can't see us having the $$$ to sway him away.

All that said, I'm happy we're at least reaching out. No real harm in making the inquiry at this phase.
 
RUsojo,
Most people on this board are here for the rumors/inside info. If not, just wait for the press release from Rutgers.
 
Armor: He bit off more than he could chew. Thought he was a QB-whisperer of sorts when Nick Foles threw enough TDs to land his jersey in Canton. Lesson learned.
 
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I don't think we needed a post with no source and flip flopping to be informed as such. I actually think the general consensus was we knew this already? No need for this.

Trust me I have reliable sources. And I'm not flip flopping. I wanted folks to know that RU was serious about going after BIG names. but whatever else I get I wont pass along. That's the problem with the boards.
 
People need to relax a little on this. Yes, these guys have been contacted. It is just part of the due diligence that is appropriate from an AD/Hiring Committee at this stage of the game. There's no disincentive to kicking the tires. Of course you send out feelers to Mark Richt, Dan Mullen, and yes even Chip Kelly. It does NOT mean the interest is reciprocated. Of course, everybody is willing to make a move for the right price, but realistically the price we'd have to pay any of these guys to come to RU would be absurdly high. There are, quite simply, other programs out there that offer easier paths to success than RU does, so we'd have to pay significantly more than those schools will, and I just don't see it happening. I mean hey, if we could pay Chip Kelly $15M a year I'm sure he'd love to coach here. But realistically USC sent out feelers and couldn't bring him in, so there's really no reason to think RU can.

I think Richt will be out of our range too, as there are a few other "better" openings out there right now that would love to have him and I can't see us having the $$$ to sway him away.

All that said, I'm happy we're at least reaching out. No real harm in making the inquiry at this phase.

First post and you rain on our parade?
 
The money has always been there. The question is if the willingness to spend it was there. Maybe we're seeing signs that the willingness is there.

One path forward is to spend the money it takes to start winning in the Big Ten regularly. IMO, this has the best (and only) chance to get some form of ROI on the investment. I think Delany will have advocated for this approach when they consulted him. It's not a sure thing, but it has the best potential.

Another path forward is to keep spending lower-tier money (vs. our conference mates) which is most likely to produce lower-tier results w/almost no chance of any reasonable ROI on the investment. I view this as throwing money away. In our market, with so many other entertainment options, if you're not winning, you're dead.

I am of the opinion that RU cannot survive as a Big Ten program by taking the second path. It will cost lots of money without producing enough wins to pay for itself. Even if we luck into findind a lower cost coach that produces, that coach will be lured away with bigger money.

So yeah, I have a feeling that the RU admin understands all this and was biding it's time while waiting for more Big Ten money to roll in. This past season was a step too far in the wrong direction, so they may be doing now what they intended to do all along.

At least I hope that's the case. But I'll only believe it when I see it. Rumors are just rumors.
The Big Ten money, once we are fully vested in the conference, will make such a difference. Indiana invested in a football stadium expansion and new facilities a few years ago despite the fact that they rarely/never sell out. We remain way behind in facilities, but the money is on its way and will dramatically change things. We can either wither away between now and then, or invest in the programs to be competitive sooner.
 
Yeah Chip Kelly wouldn't talk to USC but he's willing to listen to Rutgers... Why do you guys do this to yourselves? The OP said this:



Cmon man.
Maybe he doesn't want to move. He originally from the Northeast.
 
Trust me I have reliable sources. And I'm not flip flopping. I wanted folks to know that RU was serious about going after BIG names. but whatever else I get I wont pass along. That's the problem with the boards.
Don't let the haters dictate what you do. Just ignore them (or put them on ignore). Or taunt them mercilessly (my personal favorite approach).

You've stated what you heard and issued the caveat that you're not claiming it will go anywhere. Which is perfectly okay. Screw everybody else.
 
Trust me I have reliable sources. And I'm not flip flopping. I wanted folks to know that RU was serious about going after BIG names. but whatever else I get I wont pass along. That's the problem with the boards.
If you're going to let one stupid prick ruin this board for you... you're not the OP I thought you were.
 
I don't think we needed a post with no source and flip flopping to be informed as such. I actually think the general consensus was we knew this already? No need for this.
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Yeah Chip Kelly wouldn't talk to USC but he's willing to listen to Rutgers... Why do you guys do this to yourselves? The OP said this:



Cmon man.
I don't believe he would come to RU either, but coincidentally I heard Pat Forde talking about Kelly on the Dan Patrick show earlier this week, and he commented that he believed Kelly had grown tired of some of the things involved in big time time college football, like dealing with the boosters. Forde said that Kelly would probably be happiest (not that he would do it for financial reasons) coaching at one of the service academies, because then he would just be a football coach.
Maybe someone at RU heard the same discussion and thought they would take a shot.
 
Trust me I have reliable sources. And I'm not flip flopping. I wanted folks to know that RU was serious about going after BIG names. but whatever else I get I wont pass along. That's the problem with the boards.

No. I don't know how YOU don't see it, but, posters like you are the exact problem with the boards. Now people actually think Chip Kelly would come to Rutgers over USC. You are bat shit crazy. AND, "reaching out" to a guy who 100% of the time won't even make a second phone call does not show Rutgers is quote unquote serious. It's a pageant show or compete waste of time.
 
The Big Ten money, once we are fully vested in the conference, will make such a difference. Indiana invested in a football stadium expansion and new facilities a few years ago despite the fact that they rarely/never sell out. We remain way behind in facilities, but the money is on its way and will dramatically change things. We can either wither away between now and then, or invest in the programs to be competitive sooner.
Exactly. It's an investment and it will take some time to pay off. But with a Chip Kelly type hire, recruiting will improve literally overnight. The sooner we start investing properly, the sooner we could see an ROI in terms of constant sell-outs, mechandising, and donations.

It would mean higher ticket prices, higher parking prices, etc. But that's the price of winning too.
 
No. I don't know how YOU don't see it, but, posters like you are the exact problem with the boards. Now people actually think Chip Kelly would come to Rutgers over USC. You are bat shit crazy. AND, "reaching out" to a guy who 100% of the time won't even make a second phone call does not show Rutgers is quote unquote serious. It's a pageant show or compete waste of time.

Calm down. Just sit the next few plays out. You don't have to read this thread if you don't wish to. Personally, I want to. So kindly, take a seat.
 
First post and you rain on our parade?

I've posted before (as evidenced by my 2011 join date) but somehow prior posts were lost? :confused:

Anyway don't get me wrong. It's a good thing that we're contacting the absolute biggest of fish, but anyone getting their hopes up that we'll land one is setting themself up for disappointment when the announcement comes. That won't be good for the fan base or the new coach, IMO.

So yes, it's encouraging to know that the process is progressing the way it should at this stage, but I still think the best realistic option is Greg, and if he turns it down (or gets the Miami job) we're probably looking at Cristobal or Babers, or someone on that tier.
 
No. I don't know how YOU don't see it, but, posters like you are the exact problem with the boards. Now people actually think Chip Kelly would come to Rutgers over USC. You are bat shit crazy. AND, "reaching out" to a guy who 100% of the time won't even make a second phone call does not show Rutgers is quote unquote serious. It's a pageant show or compete waste of time.
Right. Because people reading the rumors aren't free to read what posters like him actually write. Which is that we contacted these people. Not that they're coming here.

You're mad at the wrong people. Rumors aren't a problem unless people treat them as something other than rumors.
 
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