The worst part was that he thought he was top 20.
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His dad thought he was Michael Jordan.
Jarrett Jack and BJ Elder are the only two I remember. Both were all-ACC players. Jack was in the NBA for 12 or 13 years. First round pick.
I am not comparing Jaden Jones to Ace Bailey. I am analyzing how Pikiell (and any coaches in his position) has dealt with higher prized recruits in the past giving them more minutes than they have earned.
It took a miracle digging out of that early season hole. Had Jaden Jones had 2 stars he would not have seen the court.
Do you know whose minutes Jaden Jones was taking? The B1G DPOY.
McConnell played 21 minutes against Lafayette and 22 minutes against DePaul.
I don't know why you are mentioning this when EVERYONE else does the same thing. Recruits at this level have options to choose where they want to play their 1 year and it's not like we can have a coach like Bobby Knight, tossing a chair across the court, demanding Steve Alford or Calbert Chaeney boxes out Glen Rice.....I'd cringe to hear what happened in practice with Coach Knight, before cell phones and immediate video access. The dictatorship days of coaching are pretty much over.
We did the same thing with RHJ (gave him a ton of rope), who started his career something along the lines of 3 for 26 from 3 as a freshman. I'm almost certain he took about 8 or do 3s, in a loss at SHU in December of his freshman year.....the only difference was that was a full rebuild and wins were hopefully going to eventually happen then, vs now, where every possession, seems like life or death oh the game threads, LMAO.
I don't know what your advocating or insulating that there's some sort of primadonna stuff with Dylan Harper or Ace Bailey, that's the farthest thing from reality.
As long as we are going down memory lane Caleb Maconnel had zero points on 0-5 shooting in his 22 minutes against Lafayette. We scored 51 points in the loss. I don’t think Jaden and his 9 minutes were the reason for the loss.
“Dream job” scenario? Come here for a year or two then make the jump he has earned (prior to taking over for Pikes down the road)?
Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey are playing college basketball because they have to. They are being forced.
It isn't primadonna it is about their professional careers. If pike plays them 15-20 MPG because they don't meet the program's standard for defense and effort it becomes a direct knock on their draft stock.
We are on the map because of defense and effort. Whenever we have been in a slump the solution or fix has always been focusing on D and often times reducing the role of certain players in the rotation.
Can Pike really take a 5 star guy and play them 15 MPG? Potentially take millions out of a 18 year old kids pocket?
Watch Dylan Harper play in a HS game....it defintely doesn't meet the defensive standards we have here. It defintely would fit Oregon or Kansas State.
It isn't primadonna it is about their professional careers. If pike plays them 15-20 MPG because they don't meet the program's standard for defense and effort it becomes a direct knock on their draft stock.
We are on the map because of defense and effort. Whenever we have been in a slump the solution or fix has always been focusing on D and often times reducing the role of certain players in the rotation.
Can Pike really take a 5 star guy and play them 15 MPG? Potentially take millions out of a 18 year old kids pocket?
Watch Dylan Harper play in a HS game....it defintely doesn't meet the defensive standards we have here. It defintely would fit Oregon or Kansas State.
I'll bet if Caleb played 31 minutes and Jaden 0 we win.
How do those schools defend the high screen. Do they immediately bench a player for slipping under? Ask Jacob Young the difference in defensive standards between Oregon and RU.
Exactly - that was 6 years ago. And at the time Ron was not even a high profile recruit.
Of course. Pretty simple actually.
Commit to Rutgers = team player, ready to do the dirty work, committed to playing defense
Not commit to Rutgers = afraid of having to play defense, only cares about their own stats
I respect your grind. Even when faced with a steadily deepening hole.
You give a FR minutes early not because they're earned them but because you want to see what they can do and develop into. Minutes in games helps with development in several ways. What a highly recruited FR does in November isn't what they're going to be doing in March.
This all day.
I’ve said this 100x. If our 24 class shapes up as we hope, that team will be a b!tch to deal with when February of 25 rolls around. Even if we do list a game or two from Nov-Jan due to youth and inexperience.
I see what your doing but it’s not fair. Caleb didn’t come into college as an elite defender either. He was barely servicable as a frosh.
Landing Dylan would be great for so many reasons. Local grade school kids who play basketball in north state know who Dylan is. We’re talking about the number 2 recruit in the country, born and raised in Franklin Lakes, including high school where he attended Don Bosco which is located in neighboring town Ramsey. Ron followed the same path. they are legacy off spring of an NBA star. If Dylan also chooses to stay home and go to Rutgers over basically every other school in the country it’s a huge deal for us.
Absolutely and most of the time it’s fine. In the case of Jaden Jones it was not because we also had Hyatt on the floor at the 3. The 2 of them made for the worst combination of perimeter defenders in Pike’s tenure T Rutgers. It didn’t help that Caleb has the Yips, don’t get me wrong. But that doesn’t change the fact that Jaden Jones was not playable unless we wanted to continue to lose.
This -- we need to get a player drafted, which hasn't happened in over a decade. It's a big recruiting "win" if you get players drafted, especially if they go in the 1st round.
Imagine if we get both Ace and Dylan drafted in the first round of the 2025 draft. That will create some serious recruiting JUICE, and opposing teams won't be able to say "you won't get drafted if you go to Rutgers" anymore.
#1 I don't really know who he is so i don't have an opinion
#2 This doesnt change the fact that we already have a guy who is the right hand man. What happens if/when he comes?
No. I am pretty sure I am right here. When we can point to the inflection point of our season being exactly when Hyatt and Joes minutes were reduced I feel VERY confident with my assessment.
That's where the difference between past recruits like Jones and current recruits like Griffiths/Bailey is essential.
It would be suboptimal to think those recruits bare that much resemblance to any past recruits.
All I am saying it is high risk and high reward. I would think it is highly doubtful we would make the NCAA tournament with a Fab 5. The next year we have a rebuild. It is great for trophies on the recruiting wall, but will it get banners to hang in the RAC.
Effort, length, determination and a shot blocking 5 has won in the Pikell era.
Now the recipe seems to be changing. Now the game is changing too so i honestly dont know where that leaves us. These players have morphed from amateurs to professionals even quicker than I was predicting.
Effort, length, determination and a shot blocking 5 has won in the Pikell era.
Now the recipe seems to be changing. Now the game is changing too so i honestly dont know where that leaves us. These players have morphed from amateurs to professionals even quicker than I was predicting.
I don't have doubt that offensively these players are a huge jump in what we have. It is VERY rare for a freshman to be able to defend. That is where I am concerned. Simpson has all the tools and the willingness to defend, but he ended up not being an effective defensive player for us
Ton of truth here. In the past 2 years here there has been one constant in how we break slumps.
You are the same guy complaining every year that our players are exhausted at the end of the season and now you are complaining that Caleb didn’t play 30+ minutes against Lafayette, even though he didn’t deserve it by his play. At least be consistent.
Mag or Jalen Miller could have taken his minutes too.
I am not complaining. Just telling it like it is.
The difference between Simpson and a Bailey or Harper is that prior to arriving at Rutgers, Simpson had very little exposure against high level competition except for a couple of beat downs from DJ Wagner, and the staff didn’t really now what they had until they got him on campus, and then he needed game experience against better competition to understand what he could and couldn’t do at this level. Guys like Ace and Dylan have consistently been going up against the best players in their class in AAU, Tournaments and All Stat games. Our coaches know exactly what they have in these guys (fingers crossed with Harper), and have a good sense of how they will perform against high level competition. As Duke and Kentucky would, you want these kids to get plenty of game experience early and let them play through their mistakes so by the time the Tournament rolls around they are playing at the highest possible level.
Kids are drafted based on performance, potential and physical attributes not minutes per game in college.
In a way what you are really seem to be saying is that you dont trust Pike to adjust his coaching to fit the talent changes nor to teach an offensively talented kid how to motivate / defend effectively. Or are you saying that a 16 year old is a fully baked basketball player on defense and you seeing hIm play one game is enough to come up with that definitive conclusion? Or perhaps you are saying that you think Dylan is a prima donna and will not make the effort to play defense? Perhaps your NBA hate is getting the best of you into thinking that all one and done players don't put out effort to compete on both ends of the floor...... note that I recall you were also pessimistic about Cam's ability to play/defend at this level.
Defensive and Offensive standards change for a team based on roster construction. A good college level coach will make adjustments and both teach and game plan to bring out the best in the talent on hand.
You missed the biggest difference. Bailey and Harper are enormously more talented.
Simpson will hopefully be a good player for us.
Bailey and Harper will probably be good NBA players.
True, but I kinda thought that went without saying . . .
Got it - I thought you were trying to say the talent was there, but they couldn't know for sure until he got to campus.
Inflection point? That team lost the play in game. It’s not like they went on to make the Elite 8. Throwing 5 good defenders out there and expecting Sweet 16’s has proven difficult for us so far. Einstein would likely suggest bringing in All Americans as a reasonable change in strategy.
