If you were at the game, you could feel the breeze at the top of section 103 as Longa and Lewis missed tackle after tackle. Wharton and Hunt swung at pinatas throughout the second half. The offensive line became ossified, the play calling was paranoiac, and the D scheme was juvenile. The booing became a self-fulfilling prophesy, and no, Laviano was not playing linebacker when those runs sliced to the house with not a hand on them.
Laviano not a linebacker
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Agree! Lewis was his usual slow non productive self. Hampton missed some tackles by taking bad angles, however he was banged up and may not have been 100%.
Laviano played very very well. The low class people that booed him after throwing for 344 yds and 4 tds are just clueless and myopic.
Laviano played very very well. The low class people that booed him after throwing for 344 yds and 4 tds are just clueless and myopic.
I started yelling at fans around me when they were booing Laviano. The kid played his heart out yesterday and had a good game.
We complain on this board about kids not coming here but as a fan base we seem to disrespect kids who are here.
In all my years of coaching (college and high school) I have never seen a player booed like that. I know people are going to say that the booing was for Flood but either way we looked like a jv squad fan base with that.
We complain on this board about kids not coming here but as a fan base we seem to disrespect kids who are here.
In all my years of coaching (college and high school) I have never seen a player booed like that. I know people are going to say that the booing was for Flood but either way we looked like a jv squad fan base with that.
Did not seem that way yesterday. Had numerous a-hole rationales and sentiments defending their booing. Classless.
I booed & don't regret it, but I was booing the fact that they took Rettig out after 1 play. That was a perfect opportunity to give Rettig a series. Laviano was hurt enough prior to that, that he had to come out. Why not allow him time to recuperate & give Rettig an opportunity as well? It's almost as if Flood is afraid he might do something positive.
FLOOD CAUSED IT ALL.
Stop blaming the fans for vocalizing the idea that we expect and deserve better from a head coach. I don't boo anything but bad calls and dirty play... but I can certainly understand why others might. All Flood had to do to avoid the appearance of the booing be directed at Laviano was to give Rettig a fair shot at QB.. a fair shot that he EARNED by his preseason camp play, his not being suspended for the 1st game and his play in the 1st game. Rettig has earned better than he has gotten and the fans know it.
Yeah, it was Flood's fault that you booed a kid returning to the field from an injury.
But you see . . . what I meant was . . . even Laviano himself misunderstood because . . . it was a complicated boo with many layers . . . it was a bad situation not created by me so I was forced to boo the kid . . . er, eh . . . not boo the kid just have it look that way when it wasn't you see . . . So I'm glad I booed. I'm booing Flood right now as I type this for forcing me to look like I was booing the kid . . . I was forced, and it was Flood's fault . . . . again . . . Boo Flood Boo.
How do you know Rettig earned better than that? I have wondered that all year. I have seen him, and the other QBs, in practice, in the film room, and with the team but what makes so many people here an expert on what this kid earned?
I am not saying he did not deserve a shot, I am not saying Laviano should maybe have seen the bench a few times. But there seems to be a lot of people on here that can tell me a lot about a kid from a coaching perspective and I would love to hear a true break down of why he is better.
Once again, it wasn't the greatest idea to boo Laviano, but I still don't have a problem with the booing given that Laviano was hurt and Rettig deserved a chance to play one drive. Give the kid a chance to throw a long pass to Caroo for once in his career for goodness sake! What's Kyle Flood afraid of? Perhaps yelling Rettig instead of booing would have been more appropriate. RU fans pretty much did the same thing during the game against Donovan McNabb as a freshman and his Syracuse team with the chant "Higgins". And no, Ray Lucas did not give the one finger salute to the crowd.
It's not Floods fault that anyone booed. But the program in a state where that situation could be interpreted as booing Laviano because of Flood. Let's all be honest -- we're all nervous that everything that was built the past 10-15 years is being wiped away. We have lived through bad QB play before and this has not happened. That should tell you how dire the fans view this situation right now.
He has a stronger arm so safeties are forced to play back which can create more space for running backs. Wide receivers can run more deeper routs because they are more confident that they can get them the ball. Even the long pass to Caroo early in the game yesterday, I saw Carroo slowing down to catch the ball. People have been saying this all year but most acknowledge that we do not know for sure that Rettig is better. However, the kid deserves a shot.
I can't believe that people booed in that situation
Oh wait, we're talking about our fanbase?
Sorry, I totally believe it.
Completely moronic and classless indeed
Oh wait, we're talking about our fanbase?
Sorry, I totally believe it.
Completely moronic and classless indeed
Here is my fast break down of both QBs.
Laviano: Great foot work on the boot, mediocre foot work in the pocket. Many time does not get deep enough in his drop which allows interior defensive linemen to force him to not step into his throws or has him feeling pressure faster. Needs to push off of his front foot to get a bigger step on his first step.
Throwing mechanics are good but does not always get full weight on front foot which can result in under thrown deep balls (this partially has to do with his drop).
Does not sell the screen very well (but again has to do with his drop).
Athletic ability is high (which is why he runs the boot well). Has escapability and does a good job of keeping the football by his ear in order to make a throw.
Pulls his hands out from under center far too fast. This is a major flaw.
His reads are all over the place. Sometimes makes great instant reads other times is late to the party.
Rettig: Good foot work in pocket and on boot. Gets good depth. This gives him time to read the field. Has a little bit of happy hop feet when reading the field.
Throwing mechanics are good, gets good drive on the ball, but has not developed a real touch yet. Tries to throw as hard as he can every time he touches the ball. Has escapability and does a good job of being athletic.
The major flaw I have seen with Rettig is that he is very slow on the read EXCEPT on seeing a deep route. When he sees a player even he lets it fly.
In my opinion if we are going to say the kids deserves a chance than there are a lot of kids who should have been pulled for others to have chances.
The argument to me is that when Laviano had some bad moments he needed to see the bench not that Rettig deserved a chance. Laviano beat Rettig out in the summer.
Laviano: Great foot work on the boot, mediocre foot work in the pocket. Many time does not get deep enough in his drop which allows interior defensive linemen to force him to not step into his throws or has him feeling pressure faster. Needs to push off of his front foot to get a bigger step on his first step.
Throwing mechanics are good but does not always get full weight on front foot which can result in under thrown deep balls (this partially has to do with his drop).
Does not sell the screen very well (but again has to do with his drop).
Athletic ability is high (which is why he runs the boot well). Has escapability and does a good job of keeping the football by his ear in order to make a throw.
Pulls his hands out from under center far too fast. This is a major flaw.
His reads are all over the place. Sometimes makes great instant reads other times is late to the party.
Rettig: Good foot work in pocket and on boot. Gets good depth. This gives him time to read the field. Has a little bit of happy hop feet when reading the field.
Throwing mechanics are good, gets good drive on the ball, but has not developed a real touch yet. Tries to throw as hard as he can every time he touches the ball. Has escapability and does a good job of being athletic.
The major flaw I have seen with Rettig is that he is very slow on the read EXCEPT on seeing a deep route. When he sees a player even he lets it fly.
In my opinion if we are going to say the kids deserves a chance than there are a lot of kids who should have been pulled for others to have chances.
The argument to me is that when Laviano had some bad moments he needed to see the bench not that Rettig deserved a chance. Laviano beat Rettig out in the summer.
How can anybody possibly give an evaluation of Rettig's ability as a player when he has barely played this season with the first team offense?
Anybody that booed when Laviano came back in is a jackass. If you honestly thought the kid wouldn't take it personally, you're also a moron.
Anybody that booed when Laviano came back in is a jackass. If you honestly thought the kid wouldn't take it personally, you're also a moron.
Let's get one thing straight. A reasoned factual analysis has no place in this discussion. A bunch of old men with beer bellies have every right to boo a QB who was having a great day on the field after getting his bell rung because they are angry at something and want to boo something.
Thank you for the detailed analysis. Are you interested in being the QB coach for Rutgers?
That was my point. People saw LSU and and 4 stars and think that means he is better.
I saw him practice a lot. I saw all 3 of them practice a lot.
I walked away from college football to have more of a life. My wife actually told me to start applying for college coaching jobs again. She either wants me out of the house or wants me do something I love. Not sure yet. haha
I don't know if he's better. I do know that if my starting QB is doing nothing but 3 and outs in the first half AND I'M TRYING TO WIN THE GAME a change at QB to start the 2nd half is a possibility. That possibility becomes much stronger with the 2nd game of no offense in the first half. And stronger yet with the 3rd game.
Laviano has had numerous games where he could have benefited from some time on the bench. Maybe the other guy wouldn't have done any better. Maybe Laviano would have noticed what the defense was doing and could have made an adjustment when he returned to the field. And maybe the other guy would have done better.
It was definitely worth a shot. Anybody that says otherwise should explain why other coaches do it - even with star QBs. Flood's history as head coach is to NEVER change the QB. That may be reasonable in theory, but it causes RU to lose games that could be winnable imo.
Does not apply to yesterday at all. Laviano was having a great game.
Do you feel the same about other positions or just the QB position? Can you give me an example when the 3 and outs were his fault or where he was making glaring mistakes to cause the 3 and out? I have my opinions on when I would have pulled him but they are probably very different than normal posters.
