Wow- every time the guy is mentioned, people go crazy. So, let's just get some things out of the way.
1) Not everyone who doesn't want him back is a hater or does not appreciate what he did here for us.
2) He did NOT screw Rutgers when he took the Tampa job and later came back to take the staff.
Those are the two top items.
To be more granular:
*Right man, Right time, right place. I am not sure anyone else could have done what he did. Did not understand there was even a two letter word (no) in the dictionary and just outworked and got things done any way he could. If you were in his way, he convinced you, went around you, over you or just moved you. We would not be where we are without him.
*Decent recruiter but got better as his name got bigger. But he was also the architect behind his own brand that helped him recruit in later years.
*Early on, he found "football players" They did not have to be 4 star or higher or the perfect size or shape. And he had a way to develop those guys. They either became the best they could for him or they became the best they could to spite him. But it worked.
*Huge heart- See Eric...he also did a lot of small things you never hear of as well.
*Turned down Miami and Michigan. But how can you turn down the NFL. Anyone that thinks he should have is crazy.
*When he could not get an NFL staff, what did you expect him to do? Hire HS coaches. No, only thing he could do is come back and grab the guys he knew. This did not screw Rutgers as most schools have to deal with a complete new staff when a HC leaves. President/BOG screwed Rutgers by not allocating even bread crumbs to hire a staff.
*Got us to bowls, every year was exciting and fun and he created an identity and NFL players.
Let's name a bldg after the man or a statue. He DOES deserve it.
Now- All of that DOES NOT mean we have to think he should come back. It does not mean we hate him. Why can't anyone have a conversation and not just be called a hater if we agree with everything above and yet do not think he is anything above just an average HC and may not even be average?
Why can't we say we want more?
Some of us would now take him, as for me, I would because I believe he would be immediately better then what we have right now and could get the ship righted quickly. But, I only see him as an immediate cure to stop us from sinking. I do not see him long term and don't want him long term.
I would love real discussion about him that does not turn into "hater" which derails just about every single thread that ever even tries to discuss his pluses and minuses.
You see my thoughts very clearly above. Would love to hear others being honest but not attacking posters for their opinions or put words in their mouths.
1) Not everyone who doesn't want him back is a hater or does not appreciate what he did here for us.
2) He did NOT screw Rutgers when he took the Tampa job and later came back to take the staff.
Those are the two top items.
To be more granular:
*Right man, Right time, right place. I am not sure anyone else could have done what he did. Did not understand there was even a two letter word (no) in the dictionary and just outworked and got things done any way he could. If you were in his way, he convinced you, went around you, over you or just moved you. We would not be where we are without him.
*Decent recruiter but got better as his name got bigger. But he was also the architect behind his own brand that helped him recruit in later years.
*Early on, he found "football players" They did not have to be 4 star or higher or the perfect size or shape. And he had a way to develop those guys. They either became the best they could for him or they became the best they could to spite him. But it worked.
*Huge heart- See Eric...he also did a lot of small things you never hear of as well.
*Turned down Miami and Michigan. But how can you turn down the NFL. Anyone that thinks he should have is crazy.
*When he could not get an NFL staff, what did you expect him to do? Hire HS coaches. No, only thing he could do is come back and grab the guys he knew. This did not screw Rutgers as most schools have to deal with a complete new staff when a HC leaves. President/BOG screwed Rutgers by not allocating even bread crumbs to hire a staff.
*Got us to bowls, every year was exciting and fun and he created an identity and NFL players.
Let's name a bldg after the man or a statue. He DOES deserve it.
Now- All of that DOES NOT mean we have to think he should come back. It does not mean we hate him. Why can't anyone have a conversation and not just be called a hater if we agree with everything above and yet do not think he is anything above just an average HC and may not even be average?
Why can't we say we want more?
Some of us would now take him, as for me, I would because I believe he would be immediately better then what we have right now and could get the ship righted quickly. But, I only see him as an immediate cure to stop us from sinking. I do not see him long term and don't want him long term.
I would love real discussion about him that does not turn into "hater" which derails just about every single thread that ever even tries to discuss his pluses and minuses.
You see my thoughts very clearly above. Would love to hear others being honest but not attacking posters for their opinions or put words in their mouths.