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Be thankful for Pikiell, the Geo/Ron/Caleb era and NCAA tournament appearance. What Pikiell along with strong support from Pat Hobbs has done with this program in 6 years is nothing short of a miracle. It is important to remember where we came from and where we are. Enjoy where we are.






The negative statistics are endless. We get it, Rutgers is bad at basketball, but what does that even mean anymore? Or importantly, what doesn’t it mean? Has Rutgers officially sucked all useful meaning and discourse from college basketball? You could argue that it has. If so, the Scarlet Knights have officially reached a postmodernist state of college basketball. That’s how absurd the program has become. We’re in Sartre and Camus territory now, and there’s absolutely no exit from this season.

Rutgers is in rarified air simply because of the magnitude of its statistical ineptitude. Rutgers is 280th in KenPom’s rankings. No Big Ten team has ever finished lower than 218th in KenPom (Penn State 2002). Rutgers could break that by 62 places. I didn’t calculate mean and standard deviation of Big Ten efficiency results over the last 15 years, but I’d imagine being 62 places below the previous minimum is at least three or four standard deviations away from the mean. This 2016 Rutgers team shouldn’t exist as it does now. This shouldn’t happen. The reaction to Rutgers basketball should not be, “how bad is the team?”. It should be “how is this even possible?!?!”.

The negative statistics are endless. We get it, Rutgers is bad at basketball, but what does that even mean anymore? Or importantly, what doesn’t it mean? Has Rutgers officially sucked all useful meaning and discourse from college basketball? You could argue that it has. If so, the Scarlet Knights have officially reached a postmodernist state of college basketball. That’s how absurd the program has become. We’re in Sartre and Camus territory now, and there’s absolutely no exit from this season.

Rutgers is in rarified air simply because of the magnitude of its statistical ineptitude. Rutgers is 280th in KenPom’s rankings. No Big Ten team has ever finished lower than 218th in KenPom (Penn State 2002). Rutgers could break that by 62 places. I didn’t calculate mean and standard deviation of Big Ten efficiency results over the last 15 years, but I’d imagine being 62 places below the previous minimum is at least three or four standard deviations away from the mean. This 2016 Rutgers team shouldn’t exist as it does now. This shouldn’t happen. The reaction to Rutgers basketball should not be, “how bad is the team?”. It should be “how is this even possible?!?!”.This Rutgers team could go winless in conference play despite a comparatively weak year in the Big Ten. If you consider the weaker American Athletic Conference to be a major conference (I still don’t, even with SMU, Cinci and Connecticut), South Florida is currently three spots below Rutgers in KenPom, but with Rutgers facing Iowa, Michigan and Michigan State on the road, South Florida could leapfrog the Scarlet Knights by next week.

In true postmodern form, Rutgers defies reason. This is a basketball team that takes reason and blocks it off the backboard and into the stands. Rutgers is so bad in Big Ten play that it can only be judged relativistically. Are they worse than SIU Edwardsville? What would happen if they played in the SWAC? These questions are ridiculous, and they reduce the classic college sports arguments to a comical farce. Perhaps Rutgers exists to trivialize our endless search of contextualization. Sometimes a team is just bad at basketball, and there’s no reason to find a statistic or compare it to some baseline. Sometimes, there’s just no point anymore.


You want to know what makes Rutgers even more absurd? Every game Rutgers plays, the student body is paying millions of dollars to keep the athletics program afloat. According to a recent NJ.com article, Rutgers spent $166.6 million subsidizing its athletics program between 2010-2014. $47.2 million came from student fees. Rutgers is spending $77 million on athletics this season, and only expects to make about half of that back. Rutgers will not become a full member of the Big Ten until 2021, which means all the revenue from Big Ten Network and ESPN is still down the pipeline. Rutgers could be somewhere in the range of $300 million in debt to its athletics program before the Big Ten money starts flowing. Yes, many college athletics programs are in debt, but it takes something special to be that in debt.
So not only is Rutgers basketball bad, but it’s bad and also costing every student who goes to the school for an education, ostensibly. It would probably be much better for the university as a whole if Rutgers just forfeited the remainder of its games to save on expenses. Rutgers athletics is a complete mess. It just fired Julie Hermann, a wildly unsuccessful AD, this fall after multiple arrests and drug allegations in the football program. Rutgers’ last basketball coach got fired for abusing his own players. And now the team might be the worst in Big Ten history.
I have good friends who go to Rutgers, and I legitimately feel bad that they have to fork over part of their tuitions in order to fund this basketball team. When you get right down to it, it’s possible that there is someone in the world who could not afford to go to college because of the funding required for this atrocious basketball team and corrupt athletics program. Think of how many scholarships the school could have given for $47.2 million. The world could be a better place. There could be hundreds of productive members of society who could have received a fully paid education.
Instead, we get to watch the 2015-16 Rutgers Scarlet Knights play basketball.
At this point, the badness of the team is just a cruel joke. Rutgers is Don Quixote tilting at a windmill. Rutgers is Oedipa Mass trying to find a postage stamp. Rutgers is in a wretched postmodern state, and its recovery is in doubt. The team is now so bad that you just have to stare and say, what’s the point? Like Camus’ famous example in The Myth of Sisyphus, Rutgers must keep pushing the rock up the mountain (court) by playing basketball. It cannot escape the absurdity of its existence.



Many postmodernists use black humor and absurdly dark situations to illustrate that there is no truth in the society’s social constructs. Right now there are enough opportunities for black humor in Rutgers basketball to make Thomas Pynchon proud. Maybe if Deshawn Freeman didn’t go down, Rutgers wouldn’t be in this mess. Maybe if the team had held on to beat Indiana at home or played a little better against Purdue, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But Rutgers’ what-ifs are as pointless as Rutgers’ season. There is nothing left but dark comedy, as Rutgers continues to turn the court into the Theatre of the Absurd.
 



Rutgers is bad at basketball. The Scarlet Knights are 0-15 in Big Ten play, and just 6-22 overall. Tuesday night they played 1-13 Minnesota in a battle to be kings of the Big Ten's cellar. Minnesota picked Rutgers up, locked them in a safe, carried the safe out of the cellar and hurled it down an elevator shaft to hell in an 83-61 Golden Gophers victory. Minnesota is now the clear second-worst team in the Big Ten, and they are capable of embarrassing Rutgers.

It is not breaking news for Rutgers to be bad at basketball. They haven't reached the NCAA Tournament since 1991, and this will be the 10th anniversary of their last NIT bid. But even for the people who know Rutgers basketball best, this team is alarmingly awful. Here is what Steve Politi of NJ.com wrote after a 107-57 loss to Purdue in a story entitled "Rutgers basketball is hopeless under Eddie Jordan."

[Rutgers] hasn't had much more than a prayer in a long time. I have covered sports in this state for 17 years now, and I honestly can't remember a more hopeless situation than the current state of this Rutgers basketball program.
Here is what Dave White of SB Nation's Rutgers site On The Banks wrote in a post called "The sublime torture of being a Rutgers basketball fan."

Yes, I know that Rutgers basketball is a bad team. Adjective not strong enough? Awful. Horrible. Terrible. Atrocious.
I am not breaking news by telling everybody Rutgers is bad. However, I would like to take a moment to discuss just how bad Rutgers basketball is. They genuinely may be the worst team ever to play in a major conference.

Right now, the Scarlet Knights are ranked 302nd in Ken Pomeroy's ratings, which are generally the best at predicting college basketball games. That puts them directly behind Longwood and Charleston Southern, two teams currently locked in a battle for ninth place in the Big South conference.

Let's take a peek at the worst major conference team every year since Pomeroy started tracking in 2002.

YearTeam (rating)
2016Rutgers (301)
2015Rutgers (215)
2014TCU (234)
2013TCU (264)
2012Utah (297)
2011Wake Forest (271)
2010LSU (199)
2009DePaul (213)
2008Oregon State (264)
2007Colorado (210)
2006USF (177)
2005Baylor (233)
2004Penn State (218)
2003Penn State (212)
2002Washington State (217)


Of the 1,067 seasons by teams in major conferences since 2002, only 35, or 3.28 percent, have clocked in below 200 in the Pomeroy ratings. Only seven, or .65 percent, dipped below 250. Nobody has ever broken the 300 barrier. Only Utah in 2012 came close. That Utah team was in their first year in the Pac-12 after losing their best players from a sub-.500 Mountain West team.

Rutgers is worse. They've finally cracked the 300 barrier. Quite frankly, it's impressive.


Major conference teams have gone winless in the past, like TCU in 2014, DePaul in 2009 and Oregon State in 2008. There's even another major conference team on the verge of going winless right now -- Boston College is at 0-15 right now as well. But Pomeroy's ratings finds all these teams have been markedly better than Rutgers for a few reasons.

So how bad is Rutgers? Let's dive into it!

Rutgers loses a lot, by a lot​

That DePaul team lost six of their games by single digits. TCU lost five. OK, they still lost most of their games by double-digits, but hey, they came close sometimes, right?

Let's see how much Rutgers has been losing by:

Margin of defeatLosses
1-92
10-195
20-295
30-392
40-plus1


So the Scarlet Knights are more likely to lose by 30 (or more!) than they are to keep it within single-digits, and more than half of their losses are by 20 or more. (By the way, the one loss in the 40-plus category was by 50 points.)

They have literally no good wins​

When TCU went 0-18, they beat Tulsa, who made the NCAA Tournament, twice in non-conference play. That DePaul team beat Cincinnati in the Big East tournament. Here's who Rutgers has beaten:

-- Rutgers-Newark, a Division-III team

-- Howard, which is below .500 in the nation's worst conference

-- Central Arkansas, which lost to Howard

-- Central Connecticut, which is ranked dead last at 351 in Pomeroy's ratings

-- UMass-Lowell, which still isn't eligible to make the NCAA Tournament as it transitions up from Division II

-- Fairleigh Dickinson, the crown jewel of Rutgers' résumé. They sit at 288 in Pomeroy's rankings, the fifth-best team in college basketball's 30th-best conference.

The NCAA Tournament considers top-50 wins and top-100 wins as they inspect teams' résumés. Rutgers doesn't have any top-275 wins. They're 0-22 against teams better than that.

Boston College has FIVE wins better than Rutgers' best win. Rutgers only has six wins!

That's genuinely hard to do! Chicago State ranks last in Division I with just one win against a Division I opponent. But at least that win came against Western Illinois, which is all the way up at 255 in the Pomeroy ratings.

Rutgers isn't even competitive against the Big Ten's worst teams​

Oregon State and TCU both went 0-18 against conferences with zero teams ranked below 100 on KenPom. Sure, they were awful, and that's why they lost every game, but things might've been different if they didn't play in very strong conferences.

The Big Ten is pretty good this year -- Michigan State seems like a real national title contender, Iowa and Maryland have Final Four hopes and we're probably looking at seven Big Ten teams in the NCAA Tournament. And some more teams will probably be in the NIT.


But after that there are some squads you can describe as "not good." We already talked about Minnesota, but it's not just them. Penn State won comfortably at Rutgers. Nebraska is a top-100 team, but just barely, and they've trucked Rutgers by 34 and 24 points. Illinois is the only team that's really struggled with Rutgers -- they went to triple OT! -- but still, a pair of wins.

How does this happen?​

In Rutgers' defense, they've had a run of bad luck.

Deshawn Freeman, a JUCO transfer who was the team's leading scorer in November, has been out since Thanksgiving with a knee injury and has since been suspended from the team while still injured. Freshman Corey Sanders, who filled Freeman's shoes and became the team's leading scorer, is currently suspended. The team lost its two tallest players to foot injuries: Shaquille Doorson hasn't played all year, and Ibrahima Diallo suffered a season-ending fracture just 10 games in. So the team's two best scorers have been out for long stretches of time, and two key frontcourt players have season-ending injuries. Not a lot of teams have the depth to recover from that!

But Rutgers was already going to struggle.​

They went 2-16 last year and lost Kadeem Jack, Myles Mack and Junior Etou, the three top players on the team in terms of minutes.

The team has a lot of issues. They're awful at defense and worse at offense. They don't pass the ball well. They're terrible at rebounding on both ends of the floor. Even with dismal big men depth, they seem intent on forcing the ball inside. Starting center Greg Lewis shoots 36.5 percent from the field. 36.5 percent! The center!

But perhaps the biggest problem is that in a game more and more dependent on long-distance shooting, Eddie Jordan either doesn't think three-point shooting is important or hasn't been able to find any players capable of shooting three-pointers. Last year the team shot 29.5 percent from deep, 334th in college basketball. This year, the team is up to 31.5 percent -- still awful -- and they've attempted threes on just 26.6 percent of their shots, 336th in college basketball. The player with the most attempts this year is Mike Williams, who shoots 29.2 percent. That's very bad!

It doesn't seem likely to get better any soon.​

Of the three recruits Jordan has brought in for next year's team, none of them has received a single offer from another major conference school, according to 247 Sports. (Senegalese forward Issa Thiam is listed as having drawn interest from St. John's and Seton Hall, 3-star wing Maishe Dailey is listed as having a slew of mid-major offers, but only interest from Wisconsin, and 2-star guard Jahlil Tripp had offers from MAAC schools, UNC-Wilmington, and that's it.)

* * *

There's a possibility this is a temporary problem. Jordan seems like a rather bad coach. He's struggled with basketball, he's struggled with disciplinary issues, he's struggled with recruiting and his postgame quotes range from simply uninspiring to legitimately head-scratching. (The Politi story quoted above features Jordan saying the team's defense was fine after allowing 107 points.) It seems likely another coach could improve things.

And besides, this seems to be a recurring problem for schools called up into bigger leagues in their early years, especially from non-major conferences. We've already discussed Utah's horrific first year in the Pac-12 after getting the call-up from the Mountain West, and just a few years later they're a consistent contender under Larry Krystkowiak. TCU also bumped up from the Mountain West to the basketball-heavy Big 12. While the Horned Frogs are still the Big 12's worst team, they're a bit more competitive now.

There's also a chance this is just how Rutgers is.​

It's not really fair to consider Rutgers as a tiny school hoisted from obscurity. Before its single season in the American conference, the Scarlet Knights spent 18 years in the original Big East, which was indisputably a major conference. And there, the Scarlet Knights struggled in hoops.

The addition of Rutgers to the Big Ten was almost certainly not about sports, as the team's proximity to NYC gave TV-concerned commissioner Jim Delany an entry way to the screens of America's biggest media market. I'm sure there's been financial payoff to Rutgers' addition, but from a non-monetary perspective, it seems hollow. I don't really encounter the Big Ten as a part of my daily life in NYC, and there hasn't been any notable uptick now that this is hypothetically a Big Ten town. I certainly don't get any sense that average sports fans in this city care at all about Rutgers sports.

Those who worried the Scarlet Knights would be non-competitive on the Big Ten's fields have been completely right. In football, they've gone 4-12, with a comical scandal that contributed to Kyle Flood's firing. (To be fair, there does seem to be reason to be excited about new coach Chris Ash.) Ohio State blog Land-Grant Holy Land tabulates that across all sports, Rutgers is 76-199 since joining the Big Ten -- that's a 27.6 percent winning percentage.

Rutgers has been outmatched in virtually every Big Ten sport, and even compared with those teams, the Rutgers basketball team is outmatched.

Firing Jordan would be a start. But there's also a possibility Rutgers is just going to lose a ton of Big Ten basketball games forever. I would know -- after all, I've been watching Northwestern for almost a decade.
 
Exactly. People need to calm down. Geo Baker walked into this train wreck as an unrecruited frosh and became an 11 ppg starting frosh that season. Someone is going to come in and score at the guard position.

Let’s hope we land a transfer to replace RHJ and we’ll be back in business. Maybe not NCAA level, but not a complete 0-15 embarrassment in a rebuild year.
 
Football is still basically a laughingstock but the truly remarkable thing is that almost ALL our sports have gotten really good/competitive in conference. Hobbs deserves credit. (Along with the coaches obviously)
Your statement about RU football is so wrong and so uniformed, it's asinine.
 
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Wow memories are short especially bad ones. Thanks for reminding us where we came from only 6 years ago. I would bet if the same authors took another shot at it, the facts would say that few if any teams have made as much progress in power 5 conferences as RU. We do owe Pike, Geo, Ron , Caleb, Pat H. and all the players over the last 4-5 years a great amount of gratitude for their efforts and success. I have faith it will continue. Part of their legacy is Pike doesn’t have to beg recruits to take a chance on RU.
On the football front, I think we are on the right path, it just takes more time.
And thanks to all the other sports athletes at R U. You are doing your part to make us all proud. We more than belong !!!
 
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That’s truly eye opening. If the board’s Pike detractors actually let all that sink in, and allow themselves to digest the magnitude of a hole we were in upon his arrival, you would expect a reasonable person to give Pike the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he’s doing. Maybe, just maybe, the detractors would lighten up on their horrible takes regarding Pikes ability to build this program moving forward. A massive undertaking beyond epic proportions, and here we stand now, a more than respectable college program with a good opportunity to continue to improve even more. If you read all that material presented, none of which wasn't a fact, and objectively look at where we are at now, but still regurgitate your garbage hot takes, including, “he’s a great guy,”…but…“he can’t recruit,” “he has a low ceiling,” “he doesn’t run an offense,” “we shouldn’t be happy making the tourney,” etc., then its obvious you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing will make you happy short of turning into some blue blood, but reality check, odds of that happening are nonexistent. We don’t play dirty, and recruit high character athletes who fit Pike’s system. That’s not a bad thing. It’s not an obstacle that will prevent us from achieving even more success. I hope, and believe, we can turn into a Wisconsin type program. If that model happens, and can be sustained throughout Pike’s tenure, then the vast majority of the fan base will be exuberant. There will always be the trolls, those with unrealistic expectations and unreasonable demands, who feel the need to complain about everything despite being proven wrong. It’s at that point I ask, why pretend to be a RU basketball fan? Just give it up and move on.
 
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----Of the three recruits Jordan has brought in for next year's team, none of them has received a single offer from another major conference school, according to 247 Sports. (Senegalese forward Issa Thiam is listed as having drawn interest from St. John's and Seton Hall, 3-star wing Maishe Dailey is listed as having a slew of mid-major offers, but only interest from Wisconsin, and 2-star guard Jahlil Tripp had offers from MAAC schools, UNC-Wilmington, and that's it.) ----

Geez... I don't even recognize the names Maishe Dailey and Jahlil Tripp. Remember Thiam, and had hopes for him. but... that didn't work out.
 
You have to step back. I think covid and general chaos in society sort of blurred what was accomplished the past 3 years. Consider this was only the first year its been normal with respect to season and ncaa tournament
 
Great posts. Most of us remember how bad we used to be but not a bad thing to be reminded. Puts things in perspective with how far we've come. People get spoiled quickly but with graduations it could be a few years before we get back to the tourney.
 
I always prefer going back to remind myself of how bad we were with these prophetic words of wisdom from our former coach.



Unprompted in the postgame press conference, Rutgers coach Eddie Jordan said it’s up to the players to solve the rebounding woes.

"I told them I’m not going through rebounding drills guys,” Jordan said. “That’s not in my package as a coach. Rebounding is about heart and nose for the ball and wanting to go get it. That’s just not me as a coach.”

The players were pleading with him to coach them and he was saying he's not doing it, and that's what Rutgers stuck with and wasted millions of dollars and 3 years with. If I was the AD, I would have fired him the moment that quote crossed my desk. The assistant coaches, Van Macon, Bhatia or Vetrone had to be better than Jordan.

We were outrebounded by 221 in 32 games
We were outscored by 405 pts in 32 games

Wins
D3 Rutgers-Newark 72-59
12-20 Howard 82-70
7-21 C.Arkansas 87-84
4-25 CCSU 75-59
18-15 FDU 72-64
Lost to FGCU(21-14) 96-65, play in 16
11-18 UMass-Lowell 89-66
8-23 Minnesota 75-52
 



Rutgers is bad at basketball. The Scarlet Knights are 0-15 in Big Ten play, and just 6-22 overall. Tuesday night they played 1-13 Minnesota in a battle to be kings of the Big Ten's cellar. Minnesota picked Rutgers up, locked them in a safe, carried the safe out of the cellar and hurled it down an elevator shaft to hell in an 83-61 Golden Gophers victory. Minnesota is now the clear second-worst team in the Big Ten, and they are capable of embarrassing Rutgers.

It is not breaking news for Rutgers to be bad at basketball. They haven't reached the NCAA Tournament since 1991, and this will be the 10th anniversary of their last NIT bid. But even for the people who know Rutgers basketball best, this team is alarmingly awful. Here is what Steve Politi of NJ.com wrote after a 107-57 loss to Purdue in a story entitled "Rutgers basketball is hopeless under Eddie Jordan."


Here is what Dave White of SB Nation's Rutgers site On The Banks wrote in a post called "The sublime torture of being a Rutgers basketball fan."


I am not breaking news by telling everybody Rutgers is bad. However, I would like to take a moment to discuss just how bad Rutgers basketball is. They genuinely may be the worst team ever to play in a major conference.

Right now, the Scarlet Knights are ranked 302nd in Ken Pomeroy's ratings, which are generally the best at predicting college basketball games. That puts them directly behind Longwood and Charleston Southern, two teams currently locked in a battle for ninth place in the Big South conference.

Let's take a peek at the worst major conference team every year since Pomeroy started tracking in 2002.

YearTeam (rating)
2016Rutgers (301)
2015Rutgers (215)
2014TCU (234)
2013TCU (264)
2012Utah (297)
2011Wake Forest (271)
2010LSU (199)
2009DePaul (213)
2008Oregon State (264)
2007Colorado (210)
2006USF (177)
2005Baylor (233)
2004Penn State (218)
2003Penn State (212)
2002Washington State (217)


Of the 1,067 seasons by teams in major conferences since 2002, only 35, or 3.28 percent, have clocked in below 200 in the Pomeroy ratings. Only seven, or .65 percent, dipped below 250. Nobody has ever broken the 300 barrier. Only Utah in 2012 came close. That Utah team was in their first year in the Pac-12 after losing their best players from a sub-.500 Mountain West team.

Rutgers is worse. They've finally cracked the 300 barrier. Quite frankly, it's impressive.


Major conference teams have gone winless in the past, like TCU in 2014, DePaul in 2009 and Oregon State in 2008. There's even another major conference team on the verge of going winless right now -- Boston College is at 0-15 right now as well. But Pomeroy's ratings finds all these teams have been markedly better than Rutgers for a few reasons.

So how bad is Rutgers? Let's dive into it!

Rutgers loses a lot, by a lot​

That DePaul team lost six of their games by single digits. TCU lost five. OK, they still lost most of their games by double-digits, but hey, they came close sometimes, right?

Let's see how much Rutgers has been losing by:

Margin of defeatLosses
1-92
10-195
20-295
30-392
40-plus1


So the Scarlet Knights are more likely to lose by 30 (or more!) than they are to keep it within single-digits, and more than half of their losses are by 20 or more. (By the way, the one loss in the 40-plus category was by 50 points.)

They have literally no good wins​

When TCU went 0-18, they beat Tulsa, who made the NCAA Tournament, twice in non-conference play. That DePaul team beat Cincinnati in the Big East tournament. Here's who Rutgers has beaten:

-- Rutgers-Newark, a Division-III team

-- Howard, which is below .500 in the nation's worst conference

-- Central Arkansas, which lost to Howard

-- Central Connecticut, which is ranked dead last at 351 in Pomeroy's ratings

-- UMass-Lowell, which still isn't eligible to make the NCAA Tournament as it transitions up from Division II

-- Fairleigh Dickinson, the crown jewel of Rutgers' résumé. They sit at 288 in Pomeroy's rankings, the fifth-best team in college basketball's 30th-best conference.

The NCAA Tournament considers top-50 wins and top-100 wins as they inspect teams' résumés. Rutgers doesn't have any top-275 wins. They're 0-22 against teams better than that.

Boston College has FIVE wins better than Rutgers' best win. Rutgers only has six wins!

That's genuinely hard to do! Chicago State ranks last in Division I with just one win against a Division I opponent. But at least that win came against Western Illinois, which is all the way up at 255 in the Pomeroy ratings.

Rutgers isn't even competitive against the Big Ten's worst teams​

Oregon State and TCU both went 0-18 against conferences with zero teams ranked below 100 on KenPom. Sure, they were awful, and that's why they lost every game, but things might've been different if they didn't play in very strong conferences.

The Big Ten is pretty good this year -- Michigan State seems like a real national title contender, Iowa and Maryland have Final Four hopes and we're probably looking at seven Big Ten teams in the NCAA Tournament. And some more teams will probably be in the NIT.


But after that there are some squads you can describe as "not good." We already talked about Minnesota, but it's not just them. Penn State won comfortably at Rutgers. Nebraska is a top-100 team, but just barely, and they've trucked Rutgers by 34 and 24 points. Illinois is the only team that's really struggled with Rutgers -- they went to triple OT! -- but still, a pair of wins.

How does this happen?​

In Rutgers' defense, they've had a run of bad luck.

Deshawn Freeman, a JUCO transfer who was the team's leading scorer in November, has been out since Thanksgiving with a knee injury and has since been suspended from the team while still injured. Freshman Corey Sanders, who filled Freeman's shoes and became the team's leading scorer, is currently suspended. The team lost its two tallest players to foot injuries: Shaquille Doorson hasn't played all year, and Ibrahima Diallo suffered a season-ending fracture just 10 games in. So the team's two best scorers have been out for long stretches of time, and two key frontcourt players have season-ending injuries. Not a lot of teams have the depth to recover from that!

But Rutgers was already going to struggle.​

They went 2-16 last year and lost Kadeem Jack, Myles Mack and Junior Etou, the three top players on the team in terms of minutes.

The team has a lot of issues. They're awful at defense and worse at offense. They don't pass the ball well. They're terrible at rebounding on both ends of the floor. Even with dismal big men depth, they seem intent on forcing the ball inside. Starting center Greg Lewis shoots 36.5 percent from the field. 36.5 percent! The center!

But perhaps the biggest problem is that in a game more and more dependent on long-distance shooting, Eddie Jordan either doesn't think three-point shooting is important or hasn't been able to find any players capable of shooting three-pointers. Last year the team shot 29.5 percent from deep, 334th in college basketball. This year, the team is up to 31.5 percent -- still awful -- and they've attempted threes on just 26.6 percent of their shots, 336th in college basketball. The player with the most attempts this year is Mike Williams, who shoots 29.2 percent. That's very bad!

It doesn't seem likely to get better any soon.​

Of the three recruits Jordan has brought in for next year's team, none of them has received a single offer from another major conference school, according to 247 Sports. (Senegalese forward Issa Thiam is listed as having drawn interest from St. John's and Seton Hall, 3-star wing Maishe Dailey is listed as having a slew of mid-major offers, but only interest from Wisconsin, and 2-star guard Jahlil Tripp had offers from MAAC schools, UNC-Wilmington, and that's it.)

* * *

There's a possibility this is a temporary problem. Jordan seems like a rather bad coach. He's struggled with basketball, he's struggled with disciplinary issues, he's struggled with recruiting and his postgame quotes range from simply uninspiring to legitimately head-scratching. (The Politi story quoted above features Jordan saying the team's defense was fine after allowing 107 points.) It seems likely another coach could improve things.

And besides, this seems to be a recurring problem for schools called up into bigger leagues in their early years, especially from non-major conferences. We've already discussed Utah's horrific first year in the Pac-12 after getting the call-up from the Mountain West, and just a few years later they're a consistent contender under Larry Krystkowiak. TCU also bumped up from the Mountain West to the basketball-heavy Big 12. While the Horned Frogs are still the Big 12's worst team, they're a bit more competitive now.

There's also a chance this is just how Rutgers is.​

It's not really fair to consider Rutgers as a tiny school hoisted from obscurity. Before its single season in the American conference, the Scarlet Knights spent 18 years in the original Big East, which was indisputably a major conference. And there, the Scarlet Knights struggled in hoops.

The addition of Rutgers to the Big Ten was almost certainly not about sports, as the team's proximity to NYC gave TV-concerned commissioner Jim Delany an entry way to the screens of America's biggest media market. I'm sure there's been financial payoff to Rutgers' addition, but from a non-monetary perspective, it seems hollow. I don't really encounter the Big Ten as a part of my daily life in NYC, and there hasn't been any notable uptick now that this is hypothetically a Big Ten town. I certainly don't get any sense that average sports fans in this city care at all about Rutgers sports.

Those who worried the Scarlet Knights would be non-competitive on the Big Ten's fields have been completely right. In football, they've gone 4-12, with a comical scandal that contributed to Kyle Flood's firing. (To be fair, there does seem to be reason to be excited about new coach Chris Ash.) Ohio State blog Land-Grant Holy Land tabulates that across all sports, Rutgers is 76-199 since joining the Big Ten -- that's a 27.6 percent winning percentage.

Rutgers has been outmatched in virtually every Big Ten sport, and even compared with those teams, the Rutgers basketball team is outmatched.

Firing Jordan would be a start. But there's also a possibility Rutgers is just going to lose a ton of Big Ten basketball games forever. I would know -- after all, I've been watching Northwestern for almost a decade.

I'm not sure what your trying to say.
Are you actually suggesting that a double overtime loss in the best first four game ever is actually better than just sucking as a program where such heartbreak 💔 is impossible because expectations are zero?

Does that really make any sense?? I wanted us to win.
 
I'm not sure what your doing to say. Are you actually suggesting that a double overtime loss in the best first four game ever is actually better than just sucking as a program where such heartbreak 💔 is impossible because expectations are zero? Does that really make any sense??
I think What BAC is saying is that wouldn’t you want to suffer a heartbreaking loss in the NCAA Vs rutgers coming so close to winning their first game in BIG10 and losing and getting heartbroken. Trust me losing in NCAA is much better because now we know that we can get to the NCAA.
 
I'm not sure what your trying to say.
Are you actually suggesting that a double overtime loss in the best first four game ever is actually better than just sucking as a program where such heartbreak 💔 is impossible because expectations are zero?

Does that really make any sense?? I wanted us to win.
It is nonsense at this point
 
This is why the people bashing Pike are acting like a bunch of monkeys. Just crapping in their hands and eating it with word vomit posts acting like we are Duke basketball.

We can easily go back to winning 13-14 games a year. They think because we have a new practice facility we are now on par with everyone. Completely clueless people.
 
I think What BAC is saying is that wouldn’t you want to suffer a heartbreaking loss in the NCAA Vs rutgers coming so close to winning their first game in BIG10 and losing and getting heartbroken. Trust me losing in NCAA is much better because now we know that we can get to the NCAA.
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