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Losing hope

Bro why are you shocked? I mean really. We all know the reason Rutgers is in the conference to begin with is the TV rights to NYC. The Big 10 offered them a bailout at a time we were in the dying old Big East and we’re headed straight for the AAC conference exactly like Cincinnati would up.

it was OUR administration who accepted such a raw deal. No one forced us to join the conference, heck not even Maryland got shafted like us but the Big 10 played us to get NYC, and we gleefully signed knowing exactly what we were getting ourselves into. Rutgers has NO ONE but Rutgers to blame for what transpired…

Beyond that do you really think the SEC wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to add USC/UCLA? you have to know your price of admission. There’s no way those schools would have accepted the kind of offer Rutgers did
 
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Because USC and UCLA bring more to the table. Our payout is going to $70M + with them.
I understand the business aspect. My response was to a poster stating the reality w/o mentioning money. The reality is RU was not supposed to be able to compete. That’s how the B1G wanted it.
 
Yeah I know. In life, you get what you negotiate and it's all about leverage. That does not mean that there is some kind of conspiracy against Rutgers (or for that matter, Maryland and Nebraska) as you imply.

If ND wants to join the B1G they will no doubt get immediate full share too.
 
Yeah I know. In life, you get what you negotiate and it's all about leverage. That does not mean that there is some kind of conspiracy against Rutgers (or for that matter, Maryland and Nebraska) as you imply.

If ND wants to join the B1G they will no doubt get immediate full share too.
No conspiracy. Just facts. B1G doesn’t really want us to compete. We are here to fill the schedule and TV market.

ETA: we’ll see how we compete in 2027.
 
Nothing looks good…nothing.
The D will be fine and continue to grow as a unit. When you can’t run the ball at all and your young QB makes almost expected errors you can not sustain tempo and challenge for an entire game. This very likely is a Michigan team who will be in the final 4 at the end. Encouraged by the fight our team displayed in the first half and somewhat disheartened that we shot ourselves in the foot with a penalty on the completion for a possible first down in 3rd quarter to Shameen Jones. I still will stick with my prediction of 5 years before we are mid pack B1G team. I also believe with good coaching Gavin Wimsatt and Rutgers under Schiano will succeed. Tough road ahead and realistically we are a team which can look good for stretches and still obviously lacking more talent and depth. Thanks boys for an exciting half of very competitive defensive play and great intensity in special team play. Hope all stayed healthy . That is most important.
 
Gleeson sucked the life out of the offense.

It will take time and a massive talent infusion to recover. Contrary to what many on here believe, we were never deep or good at running back; sure, we had a number of different players to rotate in and out but none of them would have started elsewhere in the conference. Brown showed real potential until his injury.

The OL continues to be a train wreck with little improvement in sight.

Wide receivers and tight ends- another sad story.

For now, Wimsatt is it and he's problematic. The evaluations of him coming out of the Elite 11 camp were spot on. Good athleticism, decent arm and poor accuracy. The coaching staff (especially Gleeson) did little to make him better. He was ostensibly recruited to be a RPO QB but so far that's a fantasy. There are so many better freshman QBs out there. Age is not a factor.

The portal awaits. It will be RU's lifeline.
 
Bro why are you shocked? I mean really. We all know the reason Rutgers is in the conference to begin with is the TV rights to NYC. The Big 10 offered them a bailout at a time we were in the dying old Big East and we’re headed straight for the AAC conference exactly like Cincinnati would up.

it was OUR administration who accepted such a raw deal. No one forced us to join the conference, heck not even Maryland got shafted like us but the Big 10 played us to get NYC, and we gleefully signed knowing exactly what we were getting ourselves into. Rutgers has NO ONE but Rutgers to blame for what transpired…

Beyond that do you really think the SEC wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to add USC/UCLA? you have to know your price of admission. There’s no way those schools would have accepted the kind of offer Rutgers did
I clearly know less than you about this, but I thought Maryland got basically the same treatment as Rutgers. The only difference is that Maryland came from a legitimate league and there were more expenses involved in getting out of that league. But maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know if this will happen, but it is going to suck if Rutgers/Maryland/Nebraska ever plays a game/match against USC/UCLA where the latter is receiving a full share but the former isn't.

But that's just the way the cookie crumbles...
 
I think the defense plays hard. Just can't expect them to be on the field the whole game.
Wimsatt getting needed reps
D looked good when not gased
Playcalling was better

Lots of positives

Depth an issue
 
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I understand the business aspect. My response was to a poster stating the reality w/o mentioning money. The reality is RU was not supposed to be able to compete. That’s how the B1G wanted it.
Then I would say why the hell are we here if we aren’t gonna compete ?? CAshing a paycheck to just go waste and dig ourselves further info the abyss?
this school needs to take a long and hard look at what it wants to be . You can still have fun tailgates in a lesser level of competition , because that’s all many of our fans seem to care about
 
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The loss to Minnesota is more disturbing. Michigan is very hard to beat at this point. Minnesota, on the other hand, is not nearly as good and the team wasn't even in the game.
You can find both hope and despair with several games

Iowa…. They got one offensive td, and even that was aided by a probably bogus interference call

Nebraska…… game for the taking, right there and could not quite get it done

Michigan…. Leading at the half versus a top 5 team. You have to credit the offense and defense a bit, just to be in that position
 
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You can find both hope and despair with several games

Iowa…. They got one offensive td, and even that was aided by a probably bogus interference call

Nebraska…… game for the taking, right there and could not quite get it done

Michigan…. Leading at the half versus a top 5 team. You have to credit the offense and defense a bit, just to be in that position
The first half yesterday was actually more hopeful than most of the season to date, which has been dismal with few highlights. But then Michigan is the one great program we give a hard time to repeatedly, just like Iowa gives Penn State fits. Maybe it doesn't foreshadow anything. But I expected 56 to 0 so leading at halftime was a pleasant surprise amd took a team effort.
 
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Then I would say why the hell are we here if we aren’t gonna compete ?? CAshing a paycheck to just go waste and dig ourselves further info the abyss?
this school needs to take a long and hard look at what it wants to be . You can still have fun tailgates in a lesser level of competition , because that’s all many of our fans seem to care about
Schools want to be in the B1G. 2027 in only 5 years away 😀. Plus, B1G will do away with East/West divisions.
 
The loss to Minnesota is more disturbing. Michigan is very hard to beat at this point. Minnesota, on the other hand, is not nearly as good and the team wasn't even in the game.
I thought D hung in there pretty well vs Minny. Offense didn't play complementary football though.

Offense contributed a bit in the first half last night, but like the interception in the 4th qtr vs Minny, the 2 int's early in the 3rd qtr pulled the rug out from under the game.

Need Wimsatt, and the offense, to turn that corner.
 
I thought D hung in there pretty well vs Minny. Offense didn't play complementary football though.

Offense contributed a bit in the first half last night, but like the interception in the 4th qtr vs Minny, the 2 int's early in the 3rd qtr pulled the rug out from under the game.

Need Wimsatt, and the offense, to turn that corner.
We got our ass kicked . End of story
 
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The loss to Minnesota is more disturbing. Michigan is very hard to beat at this point.

Completely agree with this. We played a damn good half against Michigan, but the wheels came off the bus in the 3rd quarter. There's a reason Michigan is ranked in the Top 5, and they demonstrated that. But the total stifling of our offense by Minnesota? Man oh man.
 
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Completely agree with this. We played a damn good half against Michigan, but the wheels came off the bus in the 3rd quarter. There's a reason Michigan is ranked in the Top 5, and they demonstrated that. But the total stifling of our offense by Minnesota? Man oh man.
There is also a reason why games are 4 quarters . Even schiano said at the halftime interview the good first half means nothing.

He knows. As fans we need to expect and want more
 
Bro why are you shocked? I mean really. We all know the reason Rutgers is in the conference to begin with is the TV rights to NYC. The Big 10 offered them a bailout at a time we were in the dying old Big East and we’re headed straight for the AAC conference exactly like Cincinnati would up.

it was OUR administration who accepted such a raw deal. No one forced us to join the conference, heck not even Maryland got shafted like us but the Big 10 played us to get NYC, and we gleefully signed knowing exactly what we were getting ourselves into. Rutgers has NO ONE but Rutgers to blame for what transpired…

Beyond that do you really think the SEC wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to add USC/UCLA? you have to know your price of admission. There’s no way those schools would have accepted the kind of offer Rutgers did
Would you rather be in AAC???
 
Stop with the hyperbole. The program is a more experienced/competent QB away from being half decent. You saw it in the first half. D would have played much better in the 2nd half if we hadn't had 3 picks and given up short fields, and if the O sustained some drives. Need some other players too obviously, but the first half should've told you something. This wasn't an Ash-led down 21 its. in the 1st Q type of loss. The 3rd Q was pretty horrific though.
Why are we still talking about Ash 3 years later. It GS team and it doesn’t matter if we are a hair away from being half decent. What matter is the wins and loses, we can’t build a program on “if” and “almost”. It will be build in wins because at the end of the day that all that matters
 
Completely agree with this. We played a damn good half against Michigan, but the wheels came off the bus in the 3rd quarter. There's a reason Michigan is ranked in the Top 5, and they demonstrated that. But the total stifling of our offense by Minnesota? Man oh man.
I'm actually pleased with yesterday despite the final score. They hung with Michigan for an entire half. It's not easy for many teams to do that. Minnesota on the other hand--not even a single FG to keep from being shut out? Not even in garbage time?
 
I'm actually pleased with yesterday despite the final score. They hung with Michigan for an entire half. It's not easy for many teams to do that. Minnesota on the other hand--not even a single FG to keep from being shut out? Not even in garbage time?

Yep, I was very pleased with the first half. That's what I hope to see more of next year, although sustained through a whole game. I wonder how we would have fared if we had a healthy Sam Brown.
 
You forgot the fact that the B1G doesn’t want us to be good by handcuffing us with less money.
How are they handcuffing us with less money? We get the same share but are paying back a loan they were generous to give us.
 
How are they handcuffing us with less money? We get the same share but are paying back a loan they were generous to give us.
Because we got less money. That’s why we had to take the loan. I already linked an article.
 
Here's the reality folks:

You're in the B1G conference now; a damn tough league with the likes of some great football teams and only going to get tougher when USC and UCLA join. In a really good year, you might hope to be the 10th best team. Give Schiano a truth serum, and he'd likely tell you the same thing.

Schiano is as good as Rutgers can hope for and he's a very good HC. However, his return this time around doesn't place him in the same inferior conference he was before.

Not trying to be harsh, just stating reality.
The Big East of the aughts was every bit as good as any other power conference. CFN looked at conference records in OOC games and bowl games head to head against other P6 teams for the five years ending in either 06 or 07. The SEC had the best record, with the Big East a close second.
 
Bro why are you shocked? I mean really. We all know the reason Rutgers is in the conference to begin with is the TV rights to NYC. The Big 10 offered them a bailout at a time we were in the dying old Big East and we’re headed straight for the AAC conference exactly like Cincinnati would up.

it was OUR administration who accepted such a raw deal. No one forced us to join the conference, heck not even Maryland got shafted like us but the Big 10 played us to get NYC, and we gleefully signed knowing exactly what we were getting ourselves into. Rutgers has NO ONE but Rutgers to blame for what transpired…

Beyond that do you really think the SEC wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to add USC/UCLA? you have to know your price of admission. There’s no way those schools would have accepted the kind of offer Rutgers did
Raw deal? This was a fantastic deal. With nothing to offer but tv market, our choice was playing in the American with a 9 million payout per year and following UConn in to obscurity or playing in the best conference in the country which will eventually lead to $70 million per year. Raw deal? No we won the jackpot.
 
Because USC and UCLA bring more to the table. Our payout is going to $70M + with them.
Not true sir. Look at how much conference revenue jumped in the years after RU and UMD joined. In fiscal 2013, schools received between $23mm and $26mm/yr except of course Nebraska, which was "buying in" at the time. By 2017, it was in the neighborhood of $50mm. Adding the NY and DC metro areas was every bit as big as adding LA.
 
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