FWIW, the Rutgers administration has long thought that there are non-sports advantages to being associated with the Big Ten, which consists of schools that are academically comparable and (in most cases) are also large public universities. There is also a research consortium that is helpful to Rutgers faculty. I can understand if the non-football (and non-sports) advantages are outweighed in your mind by football considerations (yes, it's a problem that we have been shut out so often), but I just want to be sure you're aware of them.
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Ehh no one cares about non sports advantages . The BIG Ten is an athletic conference . The other associations are window dressing and nonsense
Some people care, some people don't. It's fine with me if you don't. I just wanted to be sure the poster knew about them for what it's worth. BTW, the University of Chicago thinks it's worthwhile to be part of the academic alliance even though it gave up football long ago and is Division III in other sports. https://btaa.org/about/historySo at least somebody thinks it's more than "window dressing and nonsense."
Yes and if you asked 100 people on the street if university of chicago is in the BIG, 99 or 100 of them will tell you no.
So what? The fact that only few people know about a good thing doesn't mean it's not a good thing.
As of June 2016, The University of Chicago is no longer part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance.
True . Kinda like if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to here it , it still makes a sound.
That's incorrect. See this link about the 2022-2023 alliance. https://btaa.org/resources-for/admi...nce-2022-undergraduate-admissions-information
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Also, aside from the academic prestige and the vast academic opportunity provided for students and faculty via the alliance -- tons of research dollars that Rutgers probably would not have had access to before are now available. Maybe most people don't care, but the academic alliance is rather significant (I am agreeing with you, obviously, sorry for sounding like I'm not...)
Any person with a brain knows that the schools in the Big are very well respected academically and being a part of that group has generated many more applications as well as better students to RU. That's the real benefit of being part of the BIg.
Ugh . This is what these academics say to make them feel better about things. Jim Delany’s decision to get us invited , not some psychology professors
Sorry you are wrong.
The Big Ten Academic Alliance is an academic consortium of the 14 institutions that are members of the Big Ten Conference.[3][4][5] The University of Chicago, a former Big Ten Conference member, was a member of the CIC from 1958 to June 29, 2016.[6][7]
So you really believe that admissions , applications and academic ratings are unimportant to a university ?? And their sole purpose is to win at sports??
Yes they’re important .
The better the football team , the better the applications .
When BIG officials came here to visit after extending the invite , did they tour our academic buildings ? The story I heard they seemed more concerned about our lack of RV parking . I doubt they saw the inside of Beck or Scott halls
Hypothetical:
If instead of hiring Schiano with a crippling 8 year contract we hired a top FCS head coach for 2M or less, for 5 years, would we be in worse shape or even less competitive in the conference ? Would we have fewer wins?
Sure, hindsight is 20/20 and plenty of logical hires don’t pan out but this bust was obvious at the time and the 8 year deal was absurd.
If instead of hiring Schiano with a crippling 8 year contract we hired a top FCS head coach for 2M or less, for 5 years, would we be in worse shape or even less competitive in the conference ? Would we have fewer wins?
Sure, hindsight is 20/20 and plenty of logical hires don’t pan out but this bust was obvious at the time and the 8 year deal was absurd.
You are wrong about that ,big time. The people that made the final decision were the school presidents not Delany and they would have NEVER even considered us without our academic standing. I know this as fact.
Kind of a self-absorbed view. Just because you don't care about the academic/research benefits of Big Ten Academic Alliance, (fna the CIC), doesn't mean it's "ugh" or meaningless.
It's actually pretty important to high-achieving students of the affiliated institutions. And many people, including me, think education is actually far more important than college or pro sports. I do think college sports can be great tools for attracting good students, however. And also think sports, along with exposure to the arts, are very important elements of a broad education for kids prior to college age.
Not saying you have to care about academics or research. But there's no reason to dismiss those things so broadly.
I've asked this on the Alliance's contact form. I'll let you know the answer. At any rate, the Alliance is , as other posters have said, valuable to us whether or not the U of C is a member.
Well, we are a good academic school . I do feel you’re probably right. If we were a lousy academic school it would have been harder for Delany to convince the presidents to take us.
We played the number 3 rated team in the country, of course we lost. Why did you have that crazy dream?
If we finally get a QB as good as Teel or Nova we will win 1-2 more games and maybe upset the teams that have beaten us consistently. They were decent QB that were better aware of the game.
I don’t watch the games anymore but don’t need to continue to kick the team and depress other fans.
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Maybe schiano can find some offensive lineman in this alliance
One thing has nothing to do with the other. If only the entire world revolved around your dissatisfaction with the FB program's progress.
We could have Saban and Meyer as co-head coaches w/Schiano as DC. 😀
Oh, and we could clone Schiano so he could be both on the field and in the booth at the same time.
It's not just about Football and if you look at it from just a Football wins vs. loss perspective then you are not looking at it from the whole picture.
But if we stayed in the American would we have had a winning team? Given the administrations constant screw ups it's not an assumption I would make.
But from a football standpoint we gained the abiltiy of playing in the top conference in the country. If Sat night we played UCF the number 2 team in the American how many people would be in the stands? UCF played Memphis on Sat. attendance was : Attendance: 28,048
For the RU Michigan game : Attendance: 51,117
The B1G has been a godsend to RU Football, without it we would be UCONN, losing with no hope of being relevant.
Doesn’t matter, how is the bigger budget working out ? The question is the same.
But I’ll make it easier for you. Everything the same except half Schiano’s salary and 5 years instead of 8.
You can’t say that 66-it’s only one of the measures. ND is a top undergrad school, but mostly a nothing-burger grad school, no medical school, etc. and Delany would have taken Oklahoma if Texas came too. Nebraska WAS AAU until it wasn’t and nobody cares. The presidents too. Their #1 concern is the bottom line
Rutgers added athletics value, and a lot of it. I think the academics helped, but it would not have been a dealbreaker almost no matter what. The academics was gravy.
Holy strawman, Batman!
How about the same package except 25 donors agree to 7 figure contributions to the TKF and he could offer recruits 6 figure NIL deals from the day they stepped on campus?
I disagree entirely from a football standpoint. Rutgers was building a nice program prior to joining the Big. The team was consistently bowling, playing competitive games, and the local fanbase was interested. We wanted to go ‘Big Time’ and when you start playing Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, etc annually you need the horses to do that.
Tulane and UCF are both currently ranked in the top 25. I do not for a minute believe we wouldn’t be competing at the top of that conference perennially had that been the move.
now again, other sports successes have undeniably justified joining the conference, I’m not advocating us to leave the Big. All I am saying is from a strictly football standpoint, no I do not believe joining the Big 10 helped our program. Heck if anything since joining the Big we’ve seen a rapid descendant into irrelevance
In our one year in the American conference we were 3-5 in the conference, getting blown out by UCF, Houston and Cinn, We were getting, if I remember correctly, $9 million per year. Our next year we were in the B1G and went 3-5 in the conference while beating Michigan in a great game at night in a full stadium. The issue was not being in the B1G in which we slid into irrelevance, but hiring Hermann, Flood and Ash. If the morons in the administrations hired a real coach and a real ad, after Schiano left we would not be having this conversation.
Yessir…money matters more to the university than winning football, same as everywhere else. The idea is to try to get both.
RU’s mistake wasn’t joining the big10, it was caving to the clueless fan base and rich donors and hiring a known and obvious failure no one else wanted. We aren’t ND, Nebraska or the Yankees. We can’t eat long term contracts and for that reason alone the University made a catastrophic mistake. We already know the next rebuild can’t start for another 6 years.
Analogy: borrowing 200K to buy a Ferrari and wrecking it. It’s just a worthless pile of bent steel and broken glass in a junkyard that you’re stuck paying for.
That’s what Rutgers has on its hands.
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The problem was not hiring Flood; the problem was that he should have been a stopgap for one year (because Schiano left at the worst time regarding recruiting) with the intention to hire a big name coach when the season ended.
And the problem was not hiring Ash; the problem was that he should have been jettisoned when it became obvious he was a terrible coach and didn't fit at the school (the dude literally said nobody cared about the school's 150th anniversary of football).
Hermann was always a problem; she was hired because she had the desired genitals (and for no other reason).
No previous hires have anything to do with hiring Schiano.
On a related note, does anyone know where the Kansas and Connecticut (probable) bowl watch parties will be ?
BTW … even ignoring the extra years, Schiano’s annual pay is almost excactly what both those other HCs make combined.
How’s that for perspective.
On a related note, does anyone know where the Kansas and Connecticut (probable) bowl watch parties will be ?
BTW … even ignoring the extra years, Schiano’s annual pay is almost excactly what both those other HCs make combined.
How’s that for perspective.
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