Lots of Keys from Carino--Including a November Tournament maybe??
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I’m all for a better schedule but it seems like it would be a lot to go from 4 real games to 6.
We could go from @ Miami, SHU, Wake, Temple (neutral) - 4 real games
To
Miami (neutral), UConn or Marquette, SJU (neutral), KState (neutral), @ Wake, @ SHU
The trick is to park at 4/5 losable games but make them all against top tier teams in place of Temple and at home vs non-contenders.
Here's what we know:
LIU
@ Hall
@ WF
Gavitt Games vs Big East
MSG vs St Johns or Gonzaga or Providence
Leaves 6 games left to schedule
CCSU
2 games in Bahamas
Probably 3 more low majors
If they play in the Bahamas, I will be there. That would be a cool trip (well, I live in Miami in fairness so I could swim there if need be haha). In terms of the schedule, I’m not opposed to anything Pike has done. Listen, we play in America’s 1/2 hardest league (esp now with USC & UCLA coming in). You play 11-12 OOC - 7-8 cupcakes, a local rival (UConn, BC, cuse, Hall, Gtown etc) a tourney if u can get one, and pick a mid pack team from a big conference and do a home n home (ie Wake, Clemson, OK State, etc). That’s all you need. Guys, we had a 40 NET haha. The metrics liked us if we had not lost to Minny or OSU and we would have been in and had a 20 win season. So I don’t get the ire to a certain extent on the OOC if you just get 4-5 matchups like above (oh and uh, you need to win the games haha).
I don’t see us playing 6 games against power 6 teams and only 6 RAC home games…and only 16 RAC home games .
I think it will be
7 RAC cupcakes
At wake forest
At seton hall
And
either
Gavitt games at home
MSG neutral site game
OR
Bahahams tourney
For 17-18 home games
I think it will be
7 RAC cupcakes
At wake forest
At seton hall
And
either
Gavitt games at home
MSG neutral site game
OR
Bahahams tourney
For 17-18 home games
I don’t think he has a say on the Gavitt games. We didn’t play last year so we’re probably in this year.
I understand your thinking but would rather play a team that does not use MSG as a home court
It would become a St. John’s home game and would they give a return to RU?
No, because that is not the thinking here
Party pooper! 😃 I get what you're saying.
Soley as a fan of exciting basketball environments, I think we'd draw ok at MSG and it would be a ton of fun.
This is hilarious coming from you. There has never been a more out of touch Rutgers fan than you.
I agree and hate the idea of playing a neutral game against SJU on their “home court”. But it’s a little better now that Pitino is there in that I expect SJU to field a pretty good team. I want no part of playing a Q3 game against anyone at MSG. I think it will now be at least Q2 and SJU will have a good chance to be an NCAA team.
Unless it’s in a pre season tourney - I don’t really want to play anyone decent but not NCAA worthy except SHU because that’s a standing local rivalry game. Wish we didn’t have to go to Wake.
The issue is we have 2 road games already at Wake/SHU..this wasnt shrewd on Pikes part as Wake should have been on the road last year. Unless the unlikely happens our home non conference schedule will remain dreadful and are non conference slate will have a bunch of very tough road and neutral challenges.
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No idea what that ignored poster said that you responded to but I’m certain you’re speaking the truth. I’m in favor of everybody ignoring him and he could only talk to himself!
Basically this would be where we play an away game with no return game
That’s what it turns out to be I am guessing
Yes we could bring a crowd, but would we be hampered by getting crappy seats like we do at away football games?
The question is, is this a routine home game for St Johns
I would like to play St Johns eventually, but not like a St. John’s home game
And potentially a tough home game too in the Gavitt games…. They can’t give us DePaul again, right? Doesn’t leave that many bad teams to assign us.
Two tough road games and then add St. John’s as their home game
I would rather play an out west decent team at the garden if we are to play it at all
I'm talking about back in the 70's, but RU/St Johns games at the Garden were huge. And RU dominated the attendance as well.
Agreed - we should cut this game if we go to the Bahamas. Don’t need it. Better off scheduling more Rider types at home and maybe get lucky with one turning out to be like SFA was in 2019-20.
Why do people think an away game at MSG is a bad thing? We played a home game there this year. Tons of Rutgers fans will be there. It'll be the homiest of away games and still get credit for an away game
Love the MSG game for anyone except St Johns
Unless they return the game at the RAC the following year
This is a St. John’s home game
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I’d just rather play in the tournament in Bahamas. We’re playing at Wake and at SHU - those games are non-negotiable. So that would already be 4 major conference teams away from home. That’s probably enough games away from the RAC, but we sure don’t want a neutral game at MSG vs the one team that plays their home games there to be our 5th game away from home.
Plus we could easily be assigned Xavier or UConn or Marquette in the Gavitt games. That’s a lot of tough games.
Anyone but SJU and it's a neutral game not an away game. If pitino puts together a squad it's an away Q1 game that is very winnable
Bahamas over everything for me
Yeah exactly - Bahamas over everything. And at some point, especially with a new roster coming together, the volume of difficult pre-season games becomes too high. We’ve scheduled too soft - but there’s such a thing (hello Oklahoma) of scheduling too aggressive too. 15 losses on selection day basically puts you out of the mix, which means 4 OOC losses then requires 11-9 conference mark for consideration.
It’s volume of real games rather than the caliber of the real opponent that’s a concern - particularly for RU where our historical record vs eventual NCAA teams has been no different than our record against “real” teams that did not end up contending. This tends to be the case moreso with defense minding teams - we can shut anyone down but being able to score enough has more to do with our guys hitting a few big shots (often in iso) on a given day than it does anything else. We’ve also been susceptible to losing to mediocre teams for the exact same reason - the randomness of guys on the opposing team hitting those kinds of shots despite contested defense.
What does this mean? If we could hand pick our schedule (yes unrealistic obviously), I’d push for 4 real games - Gonzaga, Duke, Kansas and Kentucky. Despite what Kempom and Vegas would say - our chance of splitting them 2-2 wouldn’t be all that different from our chance of doing so vs say - SHU, Wake, SJU and DePaul.
I’d also rather not play Central CT and company because again - through the years, there hasn’t been much correlation between how we’ve done against NET 350 vs 250ish teams at the RAC (heck we lost to Lafayette right - and Rider wasn’t more difficult for us than Sacred Heart this year - go figure). slightly better competition offers better prep.
I would tend to agree…
Thing is you have to win the games you are supposed to win. Beat Minnesota, SHU, and Temple and no one is concerned with our OOC schedule
They would have to give special privileges on F1 Visa for athletes. Is this fair?
my mind is half and half... There's so much more that would have to be discussed in order for this to be passed.
If we allow any employments on F1 Visa, it could possibly open flood gate.
How do you justify athletes getting special privileges' compared to guys who come over to study?
tough tough situation...
as much as I would love international players like Cliff to get NIL like others, there's so much more to this...
Even if we agree that getting upset about social media posts means that one is "mentally weak" (which I think is a big overgeneralization, by the way, but there is probably a mental strength type trait that could help it not happen) why would you think that being "not mentally weak" is simple? If it were that simple, everyone would do it.
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I think its simpler than most want to believe. Just drop the victim mentality honestly. Unfortunately society these days values a victim culture and whoever is high on the victimized/oppressed hierarchy seems to be celebrated these days. In other words, stop celebrating and encouraging victimhood
Hypothetically, what happens if we lose those games and have a weak OOC schedule to overcome those losses in the eyes of rhe selection committee?
Good piece. I'm good with everything in it.
Reinforces my love of coach Pike. Good human being.
I see the criticisms of Carino on here quite a bit and I just don't see the basis. He may not be all sunshine and rainbows, but he's certainly not anti-RU.
If MSG was a home game for us, how could it not be for SJU when its their actual home arena?
Could depend how they sell tickets... Will it be part of SJU season ticket package? Will a third party split up the tickets 50/50?
I hear you though, I feel like it's pretty hard to argue a game on your usual home court isn't a home game.
We're both in the NYC area, whereas MSU isn't.
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