Lt. Colonel Vindman Testimony today

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  1. fg7321

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    Set to appear before House Committee Impeachment inquiry. The Lt. Col is a decorated war hero and is already being attacked by Fox

    He was on the call with the Ukrainian President and Twitler.

    Plans to tell the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry that he"did not think it was proper" for the president to insist that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky open investigations into his political opponents. He said he reported his concerns to the lead counsel at the NSC.

    I wonder if he has any tapes?
     
  2. NorthernKnight

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    Awesome.

    let me know when he gets beyond “I disagree with and don’t like Trump”.

    lol
     
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    He actually understood the danger. If Ukraine plays politics, the Democrats may turn on Ukraine and they lose bipartisan support. Dangerous for Ukraine and the US.

    And of course he had interactions with Sondland, who apparently conveniently didn’t recall a lot of conversations when deposed. So much so Sondland had to come back to correct the record.

    Is this another Trump hire? Continues to exceed hiring loyal employees.
     
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    You don’t understand what’s going on. These folks aren’t testifying and coming forward, because of disdain for Trump. It’s because they care for the country, democracy, and fair elections.. all things that Trump disdains.

    Look at these folks records. These are not partisan deepstaters.
     
  5. RUNYC13

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    He must be credible, Fox News is already trashing him.
     
  6. bac2therac

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    We all have the transcript of the phone call. We dont need another ny times op ed testimony where Schiff only leaks the parts he wants

    Yes all these people disagree with Trump...so
     
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    You people don’t get it. We are here to enable our glorious President’s narcissistic behavior. A key tenet of narcissist ideology is that the narcissist is always the victim whenever anyone fails to glorify them.

    This traitorous decorated war hero is now the enemy. Full stop.
     
  8. bac2therac

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    The President sets policy direction...the bureaucracy doesnt. This whole excercise the past 2 month is taking Trumps handling of relations with Ukraine and trotting bureaucrats out like a cnn panel.
     
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  9. bac2therac

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    Thats exactly what they are...no they arent evil deep staters...trump is the outsider doing something different. They dont like that because its disrupting norms. They may have a point but Trump is President. He has every right. There was no mention of withholding funds in that phone call no matter how many decorated bureaucrats you trot out
     
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    I agree. I guess we need a new mantra because “no quid pro quo” is soooo two weeks ago.
     
  11. bac2therac

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    Can you point to me where in phone call was withholding money discussed..thanks
     
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    Yeah right.
    Another hero steeped in the ways of the past.

    But but but it has to be done this way...
     
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    We have never seen the actual transcript. We have seen a summary.
     
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    Who brought up Michael Flynn? Oh, forgot, it's okay to trash a reputation as long as it fits YOUR desired narrative.

    Full stop.
     
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    no. We’ve seen the transcript. That’s all there is.
     
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    Haha. Sure.

    So I guess we should hear from the people who were on the call.
     
  17. bac2therac

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    Tds
     
  18. Scarlet1984

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    Nope.
     
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    If that’s all you got...I win the argument
     
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  20. NorthernKnight

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    Why not.

    It’s really powerful stuff to hear some cherry picked people say they don’t agree with Trump’s strategy.

    Better make that one an impeachment charge: LT. Colonel who specializes in Ukraine doesn’t agree with his strategy.
     
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    And there we have it.

    The typical lib progressive response.
     
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    Vindy = Jewish refugee born in Ukraine who was in featured Ken Burns doc about Statue of Immigration - erm - Liberty.

    "Colonel Vindman’s testimony is sprinkled with references to duty, honor and patriotism — but also his life as an immigrant and a refugee....


    “I sit here, as a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army, an immigrant,” he plans to tell investigators, adding, “I have a deep appreciation for American values and ideals and the power of freedom. I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend our country, irrespective of party or politics.”

    Ms. Kitman, the photographer, said that is what she would expect from both the Vindman twins.

    “When you talk about what good immigrants do,” she said, “look at what these immigrants are doing for this country.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/us/politics/who-is-alexander-vindman.html


    [​IMG]
     
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    it doesn't matter

    He can have a video recording of Trump saying negative things, using the "N" word, and saying other quid pro quos but the GOP house and senate members will not vote against him in a Presidential year. The line may be if Trump starts to pardon people who can turn on him.

    They will find some other procedural reason why his testimony should not count.

    The only way the GOP turns on Trump is if the constituents in their districts / states want him gone and will vote out these members if they don't act.
     
  24. bac2therac

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    I bet you do..tds will do that to you
     
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    Never mind all this noise with the career diplomats trashing the president and schiffs leaks. The President and his counsel are going to get to cross examine all these witnesses at some point and then we will get to the truth.
    I want to hear from the whistleblower! The whistleblower got 90% of his complaint wrong in regards to the call. We need to hear from this person if they exist. We need to hear from this person.
     
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    The POTUS does not have the right to ask foreign governments to interfere in US election and that is what he is doing that is different.

    That is illegal and is bribery which is a High Crime. You can try and twist any way you want but that is exactly what happened.
     
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    Excuse me where is that in the transcript
     
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    So we should spend 3 years looking into Russian interference with Trump, but when POTUS wants to look into wrongdoing in 2016, that is abuse of power?

    It's a mind numbing intellect you have.
     
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    Not to mention the state department most certainly was interfering in the our elections in 2016
     
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    Even you aren’t this stupid. Presidents who “set policy direction” so as to to leverage the power of the presidency for personal gain are abusing that power. And if working with a foreign agent to interfere with an election, as Trump was doing, are breaking a law Trump signed while in office.

    You elected an unethical criminal. Every day another witness to Trump’s utter unfitness testifies under oath. When will Trump testify live under oath? Even Clinton was willing to testify live under oath. What is Trump afraid of, if he did nothing wrong?
     
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    Corruption and Ukrainian interference in 2016 election are fair game to be investigated and you fools still cant come up with any talk of withholding money in transcript
     
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    What was it Nixon said? Oh yeah. “I am not a criminal.” [roll]
     
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    Repeating the insane lie that the whistleblower report was 90% wrong over and over does not make it true. We all know it’s accurate - It’s been almost entirely proven to match up with the truth. Even Senate Republicans don’t go down that road anymore. Only trump does..

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...stleblower-is-very-inaccurate/?outputType=amp
     
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    Nobody is buying that bullshit. Even you don’t buy it.

    There is no active US investigation of the Bidens. There was no legitimate reason for the president to bring it up. There was no legitimate reason for the president’s personal attorney to be involved in any of this.

    Your boy fought the law and the law won.
     
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    Ukranian interference in 2016 election was real and also looking into Crowdstrike is also within bounds, thanks
     
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    we have the transcript, whistleblower was always irrelevant, Trump blew up the narrative when he released it.
     
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    That’s not true.

    You’re just being dopey hysterical now.


    You have NOTHING. To try to build an argument that the GOP lawmakers or his supporters would tolerate Trump saying the N word repeatedly or actually breaking a material law because it’s an election year is ludicrous and demonstrated just how much you’ve lost your bearings and capability for objective reasoning.

    Everything you’re arguing wreaks of desperation.
     
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    It’s unbelievable that anyone could think the whistle blower has any relevance, except to the extent it will be demonstrated that he/she were pawns used in the Schiff/Brennan Ukrainian plot.

    Which is even more amateurish, lame and shallow than the Russian Collussion plot.
     
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    He can look all he wants he cant withhold 250 million in military aid ransom for that assistance.....that is called foreign interference in our election process aka bribery
     

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