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ya think..morons

Walensky: CDC Did Not ‘Reliably Meet Expectations’ on COVID-19​

true statement and that's why she's changing how CDC is handling health threats from the way it handled Covid 19 when it first appeared in the USA.
Responding to the threat , when infections started showing up, was far too slow and now that type of mistake is being addressed.
Glad to see the head of the CDC admit mistakes were made and set out to correct them

President-elect Joe Biden appointed Rochelle Walensky CHC's director and it looks like she's changing that agency into one that can be trusted to do what the public needs when health threats pop up.
 
Hmm . None of this officially effects the basketball season yet . And if it does and it really bothers you that much , you can just opt to not go and put up with absurd policies.
This place is the same people complaining and crying wolf
 
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My son moves in for his first year of college in 3 days in Pennsylvania. We had to submit a religious exemption for him so he could bypass the covid shot. Why should they care if he is vaccinated or not?

Interesting. Which religion? Did you also exempt for other vaccination requirements such as Polio/MMR/Meningitis or are you setting the stage with him that being deceiving is the way to get what you want in life? I would also ask why send him to a school that requires proof of COVID vaccinations if you are so strongly against it.

ps.....the reason they care is due to risk management. FYI to all the posters making thisbabout wokeness or stupidity..... large institutions and organizations generally are risk adverse since they have big targets on their backs.
 
This school and President are woke jokes

How embarrassing to me as an alum..a 4th year of students masking coming up

Masks dont work anyhow but thats not even the point why on earth is this school being an outlier. I have some thoughts but won't podt them here

Vax requirements at RAC..another woke joke..no masking for now but get ready for them in the winter

I challenge you to prove that you are actually an alum.
 
You still believe that bullshit?

Tell you what. Next time you or a loved one has to go in for surgery, be sure to inform the surgeon and nurses not to mask or gown up since you feel its all bullshit. In fact feel free to also inform them not to wash and glove up and let them know they can just show up in dirty gym clothes and dig in because you feel trying to inhibit the transmission of "germs" is bullshit.
 
Interesting. Which religion? Did you also exempt for other vaccination requirements such as Polio/MMR/Meningitis or are you setting the stage with him that being deceiving is the way to get what you want in life? I would also ask why send him to a school that requires proof of COVID vaccinations if you are so strongly against it.

ps.....the reason they care is due to risk management. FYI to all the posters making thisbabout wokeness or stupidity..... large institutions and organizations generally are risk adverse since they have big targets on their backs.
We do not get the flu shot in my family which has a short protection period, like the Covid shots. Myvwife and i are vaccinated my children are not I go by data and science and the opinions of friends and family in the medical and scientific communities when it comes to medical decisions. What do you use? CNN? MSNBC. Government propaganda?

There is a lot of gray area in Covid guidance and science. Btw, screw yourself with judging me about a religious exemption. My son goes to church every week and the church he goes to is fine with him taking a religious exemption.

And we were told the vaccine requirement was being waived for the fall semester which it wasn't. We arent risking the possible adverse affects of the emergency use authorized shot on a healthy 18 and 15 year old.
 
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You guys make it seem like making decisions over the past 3 years in real time is easy. Very easy to Monday morning QB. Very easy to not be operating under pressure of hospitals that were completely full.

All in all I think we are getting through this pretty good. CDC, Faucci, Biden, and even Trump (minus what he asked Birx to look in to during a press conference) together did pretty good given the circumstances.

As for RU, we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. I would be pretty confident the people making the decisions at RU would have zero restrictions if they could. There is nothing to gain by having restrictive policies.
 
Tell you what. Next time you or a loved one has to go in for surgery, be sure to inform the surgeon and nurses not to mask or gown up since you feel its all bullshit. In fact feel free to also inform them not to wash and glove up and let them know they can just show up in dirty gym clothes and dig in because you feel trying to inhibit the transmission of "germs" is bullshit.
Now you're really gonna confuse him.
edit....apparently not just him.
 
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Interesting. Which religion? Did you also exempt for other vaccination requirements such as Polio/MMR/Meningitis or are you setting the stage with him that being deceiving is the way to get what you want in life? I would also ask why send him to a school that requires proof of COVID vaccinations if you are so strongly against it.

ps.....the reason they care is due to risk management. FYI to all the posters making thisbabout wokeness or stupidity..... large institutions and organizations generally are risk adverse since they have big targets on their backs.
So, so true.
 
We do not get the flu shot in my family which has a short protection period, like the Covid shots. Myvwife and i are vaccinated my children are not I go by data and science and the opinions of friends and family in the medical and scientific communities when it comes to medical decisions. What do you use? CNN? MSNBC. Government propaganda?

There is a lot of gray area in Covid guidance and science. Btw, screw yourself with judging me about a religious exemption. My son goes to church every week and the church he goes to is fine with him taking a religious exemption.

And we were told the vaccine requirement was being waived for the fall semester which it wasn't. We arent risking the possible adverse affects of the emergency use authorized shot on a healthy 18 and 15 year old.
Again, 96% of physicians are vaccinated and the CDC and AAP (not CNN/MSNBC/government propaganda) recommend vaccinating your kids. These 2 “doctors” you found are the (very small minority) exception, not the rule. Are they possibly the ones letting personal biases get in the way of their decision making?

Comment about religious exemption and the church supporting it is also interesting. Seemingly, vaccinations are not against your religion (which is the purpose of the exemption) given that members of your family are vaccinated. Don’t know everything about every religion but also don’t know of any that are in favor of lying.

If any of those assumptions are wrong I apologize but kind of weak not to just own these things if they’re excuses (which seems to be the case based on your comments). Official medical guidance is to vaccinate your kids. Unofficial religious guidance is not to lie. Simple.
 
Tell you what. Next time you or a loved one has to go in for surgery, be sure to inform the surgeon and nurses not to mask or gown up since you feel its all bullshit. In fact feel free to also inform them not to wash and glove up and let them know they can just show up in dirty gym clothes and dig in because you feel trying to inhibit the transmission of "germs" is bullshit.
What?
 
We do not get the flu shot in my family which has a short protection period, like the Covid shots. Myvwife and i are vaccinated my children are not I go by data and science and the opinions of friends and family in the medical and scientific communities when it comes to medical decisions. What do you use? CNN? MSNBC. Government propaganda?

There is a lot of gray area in Covid guidance and science. Btw, screw yourself with judging me about a religious exemption. My son goes to church every week and the church he goes to is fine with him taking a religious exemption.

And we were told the vaccine requirement was being waived for the fall semester which it wasn't. We arent risking the possible adverse affects of the emergency use authorized shot on a healthy 18 and 15 year old.
you stated your son received a religious exception, so that should settle that part of no vax argument.
My own opinion about whether religious exceptions are deserved doesn't count
But if age is a factor and sounds like your son is 18, the fear of adverse effects at his age , in my unasked for opinion, should be the the same as for you and your wife.
But if you feel an 18 year old's body hasn't evolved enough to handle the shot, then you have a point that I won't claim is right or wrong.
But I do wonder why you and wife didn't refuse ( for a lack of better word) to get the shot on religious grounds.
 
We do not get the flu shot in my family which has a short protection period, like the Covid shots. Myvwife and i are vaccinated my children are not I go by data and science and the opinions of friends and family in the medical and scientific communities when it comes to medical decisions. What do you use? CNN? MSNBC. Government propaganda?

There is a lot of gray area in Covid guidance and science. Btw, screw yourself with judging me about a religious exemption. My son goes to church every week and the church he goes to is fine with him taking a religious exemption.

And we were told the vaccine requirement was being waived for the fall semester which it wasn't. We arent risking the possible adverse affects of the emergency use authorized shot on a healthy 18 and 15 year old.
You sound defensive about your choices. Why be part of a club or institution when you don't like the rules of that institution? Ps... I really don't give a shit if you take the vax, mask up or whatever.....its your life and your choices. However all the complaing about the RU masking and COVID student policies on this board from people who dont even have a stake in it and as if we didn't just come out of one of the worst pandemics in history is pretty funny.

PS.....I work with Virologists and PhDs and have worked directly on a COVID treatment as well as an RNA vaccine. One of my best friends growing up who also went to RU is a a PhD immunologist. The mRNA vaccine has been in development starting with SARS treatment for about 15 years now. The injections are now beyond hundreds of millions. Your choice to do your own research beyond comments from your physicians and friends etc. My brother in law is a surgeon and he would be low on the list of someone who understands virology or epidemiology.

Look at it this way....if someone is dealing with cancer, would you suggest they trust their treatment to the primary care physician or should they do reasearch on treatments and go to a specialist with experience in that field of oncology?
 
Again, 96% of physicians are vaccinated and the CDC and AAP (not CNN/MSNBC/government propaganda) recommend vaccinating your kids. These 2 “doctors” you found are the (very small minority) exception, not the rule. Are they possibly the ones letting personal biases get in the way of their decision making?

Comment about religious exemption and the church supporting it is also interesting. Seemingly, vaccinations are not against your religion (which is the purpose of the exemption) given that members of your family are vaccinated. Don’t know everything about every religion but also don’t know of any that are in favor of lying.

If any of those assumptions are wrong I apologize but kind of weak not to just own these things if they’re excuses (which seems to be the case based on your comments). Official medical guidance is to vaccinate your kids. Unofficial religious guidance is not to lie. Simple.
New CDC guidance says to treat vaccinated and unvaccinated the same. Hmmmmmmmm. Why is that?

Doctors I found? Lol. Its multiple friends and family members who work in the medical field, sciences and pharmaceutical industries. People who know a hell of a lot more about viruses than you or I do.

Read and learn. Cdc website info. Btw, the overwhelming majority of kids who have died from Covid are immunocompromised or very sickly.

1201 kids have died from Covid since the outbreak.

 

Try to follow the discussion. Adventure indicated that masking to help prevent the spread of germs/virus from the wearer to others is bullshit. I pointed out in a snarky way that there is a reason surgeons wear masks.
 
New CDC guidance says to treat vaccinated and unvaccinated the same. Hmmmmmmmm. Why is that?

Doctors I found? Lol. Its multiple friends and family members who work in the medical field, sciences and pharmaceutical industries. People who know a hell of a lot more about viruses than you or I do.

Read and learn. Cdc website info. Btw, the overwhelming majority of kids who have died from Covid are immunocompromised or very sickly.

1201 kids have died from Covid since the outbreak.

I’m not talking about what you or I know about vaccines, I’m talking about the vast majority of medical professionals (96%) and their respective professional associations. I can guarantee you they know more than either of us or, in aggregate, your small sample size of friends and family (who are statistically more likely to share your beliefs).

Those professionals and their professional associations (including the CDC, who you’re now selectively citing?) overwhelmingly support vaccination. Thanks for reiterating my point on that.

It also seems you’ve shifted to passive aggressively citing anti-vax talking points instead of saying your true beliefs once again. You’ve refused to answer the people questioning the religious exemption that applies to your son but not the rest of your family.

If you don’t believe in vaccine science, say it. If you used the religious exemption as an excuse, just say it. That’s bothering me more than the actual content of your posts at this point because it’s super weak.
 
Tell you what. Next time you or a loved one has to go in for surgery, be sure to inform the surgeon and nurses not to mask or gown up since you feel its all bullshit. In fact feel free to also inform them not to wash and glove up and let them know they can just show up in dirty gym clothes and dig in because you feel trying to inhibit the transmission of "germs" is bullshit.
Neat ... I didn't realize you were unaware of the difference between an open wound (and spit droplets escaping a properly worn N95 mask) versus the nasal passage (and droplets escaping a glorified sock tied around your face that 99% of the public spends all day touching and moving ... and that gets worn for weeks without ever being cleaned).
 
Neat ... I didn't realize you were unaware of the difference between an open wound (and spit droplets escaping a properly worn N95 mask) versus the nasal passage (and droplets escaping a glorified sock tied around your face that 99% of the public spends all day touching and moving ... and that gets worn for weeks without ever being cleaned).
Surgeons historically wear surgical masks, which is why they’re surgical masks
 
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He's a 75 year old tough guy, lol
72 actually.
And for the record, my wife is immuno-compromised. I'm gonna do whatever I can not to bring Covid home to her. If she wants me to get a vaccine I'm getting the vaccine. If she wants me to mask up I'm gonna mask up.
That doesn't mean that I don't find it hilarious that the same crew of nudnicks keep acting like their being so loudly opposed to masks and vaccines makes them some kind of American hero. Yeah, they're heros alright...with extra oil and vinegar. And my guess is light on the meat too.
 
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you stated your son received a religious exception, so that should settle that part of no vax argument.
My own opinion about whether religious exceptions are deserved doesn't count
But if age is a factor and sounds like your son is 18, the fear of adverse effects at his age , in my unasked for opinion, should be the the same as for you and your wife.
But if you feel an 18 year old's body hasn't evolved enough to handle the shot, then you have a point that I won't claim is right or wrong.
But I do wonder why you and wife didn't refuse ( for a lack of better word) to get the shot on religious grounds.
Age is entirely the reason not to give the Covid shot to a healthy young person.

Review the stats please. Then tell me why a young healthy person needs the shot.

 
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Age is entirely the reason not to give the Covid shot to a healthy young person.

Review the stats please. Then tell me why a young healthy person needs the shot.

Thank you, finally answered the religious exemption piece at least
 
New CDC guidance says to treat vaccinated and unvaccinated the same. Hmmmmmmmm. Why is that?

Doctors I found? Lol. Its multiple friends and family members who work in the medical field, sciences and pharmaceutical industries. People who know a hell of a lot more about viruses than you or I do.

Read and learn. Cdc website info. Btw, the overwhelming majority of kids who have died from Covid are immunocompromised or very sickly.

1201 kids have died from Covid since the outbreak.

Here's another worthwhile article
Updated CDC COVID guidelines remove distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham:
>"We have to keep in mind we're losing 500 people a day due to COVID which is the third leading cause of death in the United States," said infectious diseases physician at UNC Health Dr. David Weber.
He believes the recommendations are consistent with what everyone is willing to accept right now.
"We have to learn how to protect ourselves and our loved ones, but we also have to resume a reasonable, normal life and earn a living and have our kids go to school," Weber said.
The recommendations from the CDC have been in the works for months. The agency is making changes now because vaccination and prior infections have given 95% of Americans some degree of protection.<
https://abc11.com/cdc-new-covid-guidelines-north-carolina-vaccine-dr-david-weber/12118775/

For what it's worth:
my opinion if more and more people refuse to get vaccinated, the risk of Covid 19 to the public might mean more hospitalizations and deaths .
As for the healthy child excuse, why not add the healthy adult doesn't need the shot.
That was used in the beginning of outbreak and maybe the healthy adults didn't get it as bad as the unhealthy and elderly victims, but the healthy that were infected could have caused many an unhealthy one get sick because of the healthy refusing to be protected.
Being vaccinated is, in my opinion, to protect yourself by trying to be immunized from the virus and by being protected keeping from spreading it to someone that catching the virus could be fatal because of being in poor health.
Looking out for #1, in health choices can't be faulted , unless that can cause #2-3 & 4 health problems
 
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Here's another worthwhile article
Updated CDC COVID guidelines remove distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham:
>"We have to keep in mind we're losing 500 people a day due to COVID which is the third leading cause of death in the United States," said infectious diseases physician at UNC Health Dr. David Weber.
He believes the recommendations are consistent with what everyone is willing to accept right now.
"We have to learn how to protect ourselves and our loved ones, but we also have to resume a reasonable, normal life and earn a living and have our kids go to school," Weber said.
The recommendations from the CDC have been in the works for months. The agency is making changes now because vaccination and prior infections have given 95% of Americans some degree of protection.<
https://abc11.com/cdc-new-covid-guidelines-north-carolina-vaccine-dr-david-weber/12118775/
Healthy kids don’t need protection Madhat
 
Why would you vaccinate a HEALTHY child when the risk of the virus affecting them any more than a common cold is 0000.1 percent?

That percentage needs some work for one. Two, because their actual pediatrician recommended it. Three, because it really wasn't that rare to hear about more serious conditions. Four, to better protect more at risk family members while being able to visit them.

I'll stop there. Now ...what's such strong reasoning behind not vaccinating kids that you would be so staunchly opposed?
 
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Age is entirely the reason not to give the Covid shot to a healthy young person.

Review the stats please. Then tell me why a young healthy person needs the shot.


That's death data. Is death the only concern?
 
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That percentage needs some work for one. Two, because their actual pediatrician recommended it. Three, because it really wasn't that rare to hear about more serious conditions. Four, to better protect more at risk family members while being able to visit them.

I'll stop there. Now ...what's such strong reasoning behind not vaccinating kids that you would be so staunchly opposed?
Because I’m not sure what the long term affects of continued boosters are on the immune systems of healthy young people.
My kids were both vaccinated 2 years ago…Are pediatricians recommending boosters for kids?
I’ve been vaxed and boosted once.
My doctor recommends no more boosters for me.
To many instances of weird stuff going on after one booster
 
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Because I’m not sure what the long term affects of continued boosters are on the immune systems of healthy young people.
My kids were both vaccinated 2 years ago…Are pediatricians recommending boosters for kids?
I’ve been vaxed and boosted once.
My doctor recommends no more boosters for me.
To many instances of weird stuff going on after one booster

You said vaccinated repeatedly in previous posts. Boosted is different.

Don't think it's absurd, still, but can understand more hesitation v a year or two ago.
 
Because I’m not sure what the long term affects of continued boosters are on the immune systems of healthy young people.
My kids were both vaccinated 2 years ago…Are pediatricians recommending boosters for kids?
I’ve been vaxed and boosted once.
My doctor recommends no more boosters for me.
To many instances of weird stuff going on after one booster
Broadly, pediatricians are recommending boosters for kids.


“Should patients receive a booster dose of COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. The protection COVID-19 vaccines provide decreases over time, especially for certain groups of people. CDC recommends the use of an mRNA booster dose for all individuals 5 years of age and older.”
 
Physicians and the broader medical community say otherwise, unless you think you are better informed than they are?
Lol
I don’t.
I think as fsg2 said.
What are your thoughts on boosters for young people?
Is my daughter who had her two shot vaccination two years ago vaxed in the eyes of Rutgers?
 
Broadly, pediatricians are recommending boosters for kids.


“Should patients receive a booster dose of COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. The protection COVID-19 vaccines provide decreases over time, especially for certain groups of people. CDC recommends the use of an mRNA booster dose for all individuals 5 years of age and older.”
ok
That’s not going to happen with my vaxed kids.
We’ve got a dear friend of my daughter laying in the hospital with a seemingly incurable immune system syndrome after her booster
 
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Healthy kids don’t need protection Madhat
maybe not , but some look at it as better safe than sorry .
This is why better safe than sorry and it effects the few healthy kids that catch the virus too.
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Symptoms and conditions that can affect children after COVID-19​

  • Breathing problems. Because COVID-19 most often affects the lungs, lingering respiratory symptoms are not uncommon. These may include chest pain, cough, and more trouble breathing during exercise. Some of these symptoms can last for 3 months or longer. Children 6 years or older with lasting symptoms may need lung function tests. Children with exercise-induced breathing problems that don’t go away may need heart tests to rule out complications such as blood clots.
  • Cardiac issues. Myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, can develop after COVID-19 (and in extremely rare cases, receiving mRNA vaccines). One study of adult patients who recently recovered from COVID-19 suggested that 60% of them had myocarditis, regardless of how severe their COVID symptoms were during the infection. Symptoms of myocarditis may include chest pain, shortness of breath, irregular heartbeat and fatigue. Children and teens who had moderate or severe symptoms within the last 6 months need a thorough exam, including heart tests, before returning to school or sports activities.
  • Smell and taste. As many as 1 out of 4 children and teens age 10 to 19 years of age who had COVID experience changes to their sense of smell and taste. This can have a negative effect on their eating habits and mood. It can also prevent them from noticing dangerous odors. These symptoms typically go away in several weeks. When it doesn’t, your child’s doctor may recommend steps to test or help retrain these senses.
  • Developmental issues. Acute COVID-19 illness can affect the nervous system and, in rare cases, lead to stroke or encephalitis (brain swelling). Children who’ve had COVID-19 may experience subtle changes in attention, speech, school work, movement and mood. Your pediatrician may refer you for follow up with a neurodevelopmental specialist, a speech language pathologist or physical or occupational therapists.
  • Mental fatigue. "Brain fog"—unclear or "fuzzy" thinking, concentration, or memory—is a frequent complaint among adults who’ve had COVID-19. Children and teens may have similar symptoms. Your child may seem more forgetful or have trouble paying attention. They may be slower at reading and need more repetition and breaks while learning. Make sure your child get enough sleep and help them manage stress, which can worsen these symptoms. If post-COVID mental fatigue doesn’t improve or interferes with daily activities, your child may benefit from a team-based treatment and recovery plan.
  • Physical fatigue. After SARS-CoV-2 infection, children and teens may tire more easily and have less physical endurance, even if they had no heart or lung symptoms from the virus. This usually improves over time. Your pediatrician can advise a gradual increase in physical activity. If this doesn't improve symptoms, they may recommend a visit to a physical therapist or other specialist.
  • Headaches. Headache is a common symptom during and following SARS-CoV-2 infection. Getting enough sleep, drinking plenty of water, eating regular meals and managing stress can help. If the headaches are lasting and severe enough, your child's doctor may recommend preventive medicines.
  • Mental and behavioral health. Having had COVID-19 can affect a child’s mental health. For children with existing mental/behavioral illness, events surrounding COVID-19 (hospitalization, isolation, absence from school activities) may also make symptoms worse. Your pediatrician can check your child for signs of depression, anxiety and other mental health concerns, and advise when your child may need more support.
  • Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) is a rare complication that typically happens 2 to 6 weeks after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Vaccination with two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech is reported to prevent MIS-C in kids 12 to 18 years old. In addition, all of the critically ill MIS-C patients who required life support in a recent study were unvaccinated. If your child has symptoms such as fever without an obvious cause after having COVID-19, talk with your pediatrician. MIS-C can get worse quickly, and children who develop this condition should be examined by a pediatrician or pediatric subspecialist as soon as possible. Children with this condition will require hospitalization, often in the intensive care unit.
  • Symptoms of diabetes, including frequent urination, increased thirst, increased hunger, weight loss, tiredness or fatigue, stomach pain and nausea or vomiting, have been reported in some children and teens who had COVID-19.
  • Long-haul COVID-19 is a general term that covers physical and mental health symptoms some patients experience 4 or more weeks after SARS-CoV-2 infection. No specific lab test can tell "long-haul COVID-19" apart from other conditions. For the first 4 to 12 weeks after illness, focusing mostly on healthy lifestyle approaches to help improve symptoms is usually best. If symptoms last beyond 3 months, your child’s doctor may recommend additional tests and possible referral to a specialized, multidisciplinary post-COVID-19 clinic.

source: https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...t-COVID-Conditions-in-Children-and-Teens.aspx
 
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