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I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
 
I LOVE this! YES< and he has a great head on his shoulders and LOVES RU! JG was flirting..its all about him. Hype machine..Haskins is a better prospect..I will take Mr Dare, in a Jersey minute!
 
I believe JG missed time due to injury hence his less productive numbers?... I also remember reading somewhere that Dare faced lesser competition and had crappy receivers which may have affected his ranking. I could be wrong.
 
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
 
Originally posted by ScarletKnightRider:
I believe JG missed time due to injury hence his less productive numbers?... I also remember reading somewhere that Dare faced lesser competition and had crappy receivers which may have affected his ranking. I could be wrong.
How did BC do when JG was out with injury? They must have fallen apart.
 
Although it would have been great to get JG, I'm still pretty confident in our QB situation for the next few years. The JG factor was more of him being a pied piper for other NJ recruits.

Dare is going to be a solid option in a year or two. He's got a great arm and just needs a year or two to fill out and you'll be looking at a solid D1 quality starting QB. He's been with RU from day one and never waivered. You can just tell he's an extremely hard worker and I'm confident he's going to be the starter after Rettig/Laviano/Rescigno.
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
 
Originally posted by John Otterstedt:
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
John-thanks. This explains a lot. Sounds like comparing apples and oranges. We will really not know what will happen until they play in college. Gary Nova had a 41/9 TD/INT ratio in high school, and that ratio was 73/51 in his time at Rutgers. I recall some saying that he did not face tough competition in high school. I can understand the difficulty in accurately rating (and ranking) high school players.
 
Originally posted by John Otterstedt:
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
John - that's an interesting summary. IMO, a top supporting cast is a much more significant factor than the competition. We've all seen how a stud line and stud receivers can make an average QB look tremendous. In contrast, a QB playing without that supporting cast has a much more difficult time of it. Sure, poorer competition can help, but if you're not an extremely talented QB, I just think it is near impossible to excel if you don't have a great supporting cast, regardless of the competition. I've always been very high on Dare and am excited for the career he will ultimately have at Rutgers.
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
Message board fans buy into the hype. It doesn't matter how good a kid is, they need a lot of hoopla to care about a kid. They are like a woman who needs way too much foreplay to orgasm. It wasn't enough that Dare was a leader who took the first step, was a man who didn't need to have his butt kissed for a year, says the right things, is tough as nails, has size, and the kind of arm strength that gets you drafted in baseball even if you don't know how to get in the set position; all while leading a tiny school that can't find linemen bigger than him, to the playoffs for the first time in their history. They need someone who is paid by the click and not winning to put the right number of first grade spelling test stars in front of a kiss name, and then have that kid tease them on twitter like the Gypsy Rose Lee of high school who chose to go to different school where things would be easier, and the campus that would hype him, and now the school with all the bells and whistle.

Hype never won a championship. My money is on Dare to succeed it has been since I first saw video of him throw over 50 yards in the air across his body on the run. He had everything but the hype.
This post was edited on 4/15 10:48 PM by jiggscasey
 
The only year I forsee being a problem with QB play is this year, and only because we lose our senior leader. Despite how up and down Nova was, when he was on, he could play with anyone in the country and his leadership of the team cannot go unmentioned. I do think Rettig and then Dare/Rescigno will be incredible successes and I am very, very happy with our QB situation (even without JG or Haskins, but getting either one would make everything that much better)
 
Originally posted by jiggscasey:

Message board fans buy into the hype. It doesn't matter how good a kid is, they need a lot of hoopla to care about a kid. They are like a woman who needs way too much foreplay to orgasm.[/B] It wasn't enough that Dare was a leader who took the first step, was a man who didn't need to have his butt kissed for a year, says the right things, is tough as nails, has size, and the kind of arm strength that gets you drafted in baseball even if you don't know how to get in the set position; all while leading a tiny school that can't find linemen bigger than him, to the playoffs for the first time in their history. They need someone who is paid by the click and not winning to put the right number of first grade spelling test stars in front of a kiss name, and then have that kid tease them on twitter like the Gypsy Rose Lee of high school who chose to go to different school where things would be easier, and the campus that would hype him, and now the school with all the bells and whistle.

Hype never won a championship.
Maybe you're doing it wrong.

Just throwin' that out there.

The gist of your post is totally on, btw. I agree completely.
 
Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by jiggscasey:

Message board fans buy into the hype. It doesn't matter how good a kid is, they need a lot of hoopla to care about a kid. They are like a woman who needs way too much foreplay to orgasm.[/B] It wasn't enough that Dare was a leader who took the first step, was a man who didn't need to have his butt kissed for a year, says the right things, is tough as nails, has size, and the kind of arm strength that gets you drafted in baseball even if you don't know how to get in the set position; all while leading a tiny school that can't find linemen bigger than him, to the playoffs for the first time in their history. They need someone who is paid by the click and not winning to put the right number of first grade spelling test stars in front of a kiss name, and then have that kid tease them on twitter like the Gypsy Rose Lee of high school who chose to go to different school where things would be easier, and the campus that would hype him, and now the school with all the bells and whistle.

Hype never won a championship.
Maybe you're doing it wrong.

Just throwin' that out there.

The gist of your post is totally on, btw. I agree completely.
Are you offering your services to show him what he is doing wrong?
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And by my original post, I am not trying to diminish the significance of not getting JG today. Hopefully we land Haskins or another top QB in the class. It's still early, and some of the kids who have committed may flip.
 
My orgasm would be seeing Dare and RU stomping Tennessee and its beagles with JG in a Sugar Bowl 2017.
 
Originally posted by John Otterstedt:
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
And this is why recruiting is not an exact science. There are players with really good high school stats that get underrated.

Paul James is the perfect example. Came to Rutgers as a walk on. But his stats in high school were off the charts.

"Paul James finished as the second-leading rusher in school history with nearly 3,300 yards ... rushed for 1,182 yards with 12 rushing touchdowns and averaged nearly 10 yards per carry in an injury-plagued senior season. tallied 1,730 yards his junior campaign ... guided Glassboro to a 10-2 record and a state championship his senior season"

He was ignored by most during recruiting because people believed his competition sucked. Well maybe the competition wasnt so good in HS. But that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. That didn't stop him from lighting it up in division I football!







This post was edited on 4/15 11:37 PM by jay_hq
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
He did not get more offers because he commited EXTREMELY early...even for a qb and never gave any school the impression he was waivering. Contrast that with JG who played for a recruiting hot bed in Bergen Catholic and that he played kissy kiss with nearly everyone who fawned at him.
 
Originally posted by RMSko:

Originally posted by John Otterstedt:
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
John - that's an interesting summary. IMO, a top supporting cast is a much more significant factor than the competition. We've all seen how a stud line and stud receivers can make an average QB look tremendous. In contrast, a QB playing without that supporting cast has a much more difficult time of it. Sure, poorer competition can help, but if you're not an extremely talented QB, I just think it is near impossible to excel if you don't have a great supporting cast, regardless of the competition. I've always been very high on Dare and am excited for the career he will ultimately have at Rutgers.
Not really because facing inferior competition also allows the player to get away with more mistakes and glaring mistakes as well. The point is that statistics cannot be used to gauge players at any level and especially high school players. Dare was a 3-star QB recruit, just like Matt Ryan and Blake Bortles were out of high school and both were the #3 overall selection in the NFL draft. Time will tell if Dare is a better QB than JG.
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
I once hit .800 in little league.
 
Good luck to Dare at RU - I hope it works out. But the reality is, stats or no stats, he is another one of the long line of RU QB recruits that no FBS program - let alone no P5 program (or none in the top 75) thought good enough to play D1 football and almost none of those QBs has been good enough to see the field or, if they have seen the field, help us win meaningful games When you recruit players no on else wanted, especially at QB (where there are few sleepers) the results are predictable and in RU's case, the results have fit that mold almost perfectly, with a very few exceptions.
 
Originally posted by CuredbywinningRU:
Good luck to Dare at RU - I hope it works out. But the reality is, stats or no stats, he is another one of the long line of RU QB recruits that no FBS program - let alone no P5 program (or none in the top 75) thought good enough to play D1 football and almost none of those QBs has been good enough to see the field or, if they have seen the field, help us win meaningful games When you recruit players no on else wanted, especially at QB (where there are few sleepers) the results are predictable and in RU's case, the results have fit that mold almost perfectly, with a very few exceptions.
"Few sleepers"?

So... the long list of under-recruited, low star QBs who have gone on to be successful in college and the pros is... what? Just meaningless statistics?

You contradict yourself a lot. How's that workin' out for ya?
 
On the topic of competition. I'd like to see how Mr. G would have fared against the top slate of Fla. HS programs.
 
Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by CuredbywinningRU:
Good luck to Dare at RU - I hope it works out. But the reality is, stats or no stats, he is another one of the long line of RU QB recruits that no FBS program - let alone no P5 program (or none in the top 75) thought good enough to play D1 football and almost none of those QBs has been good enough to see the field or, if they have seen the field, help us win meaningful games When you recruit players no on else wanted, especially at QB (where there are few sleepers) the results are predictable and in RU's case, the results have fit that mold almost perfectly, with a very few exceptions.
"Few sleepers"?

So... the long list of under-recruited, low star QBs who have gone on to be successful in college and the pros is... what? Just meaningless statistics?

You contradict yourself a lot. How's that workin' out for ya?
Nonsensical post, as usual. Show me the long list of under-recruited low star QB who went on to be successful and then compare it to the list of four star heavily recruited QBs. You're saying the exception is the rule. Again, nonsensical. More to the point of this thread, we're supposed to believe that the 20 P5 conference teams who scouted NJ and offered JG should have had more interest in Mike Dare. No other Division 1 school offered Dare a scholarship, let alone a P5 team. They're all wrong? Again, they might be, but that is the exception and not the rule. Another dumb post.
 
I saw Dare in his last HS game against a tiny public school which was not good at all. The players on both teams are light years different than what you get over at BC, Bosco, etc. Unfortunately Dare threw a couple of fourth quarter picks in that game and his team lost and he didn't even look like the best player on the field , which again was two small public schools with smaller kids.
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .653 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
Fixed the completion percentage that you had for Dare. It should have been 10% higher.
 
Originally posted by ScarletKnightRider:
I believe JG missed time due to injury hence his less productive numbers?... I also remember reading somewhere that Dare faced lesser competition and had crappy receivers which may have affected his ranking. I could be wrong.
Regardless of injury or not, Garantanto averaged throwing for only 48 yards per game. He ran for a lot more. He obviously does not throw much in his games. Despite the better competition, he does not have a great completion % for a guy with better receivers. His TD to INT ratio is not good. When I watched his clips, It looked like he was throwing the ball all over the place.
 
Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
The 12th best NJ prospect isn't exactly a top recruit.
 
Originally posted by CuredbywinningRU:
Good luck to Dare at RU - I hope it works out. But the reality is, stats or no stats, he is another one of the long line of RU QB recruits that no FBS program - let alone no P5 program (or none in the top 75) thought good enough to play D1 football and almost none of those QBs has been good enough to see the field or, if they have seen the field, help us win meaningful games When you recruit players no on else wanted, especially at QB (where there are few sleepers) the results are predictable and in RU's case, the results have fit that mold almost perfectly, with a very few exceptions.
The thing that kills me about measuring a kid by offers is that most of the people on this board who harp about offers are also the ones who flipped out long after signing day about us not owing P.J. Walker.

New Jersey is screwed up in recruiting. I honestly can't imagine that 35-45 percent of the best players come from the same dozen private schools every year When those schools don't even represent 5 percent of the state. The raters find it easy to just travel to the same locals on the beaten path. It's easy work. Meanwhile Paul James and Turay, and others are scoffed at because the same reporters who work for organizations that just recycle content are to lazy to report on the rest of the state.
 
Originally posted by MoobyCow:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
I once hit .800 in little league.
Do you have a point?
 
Originally posted by Knight Shift:
Originally posted by MoobyCow:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
I once hit .800 in little league.
Do you have a point?
Competition level matters.
 
Originally posted by MoobyCow:


Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Originally posted by MoobyCow:


Originally posted by Knight Shift:
I don't follow specific recruits that closely, but it was hard not to ignore today's drama. I am in no way trying to diminish JG's potential or standing as a recruit.



High School Career Stats comparison taken from Max Preps (Hope the columns align)


C Att Yds C% AVG. Y/G C/G TD TD/G INT Lng QB Rating
JG 132 241 1547 .548 11.7 48.3 4.1 12 0.4 13 47 68.6
Dare 426 652 7826 .566 18.4 217.4 11.8 107 3.0 42 99 109

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18
pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers'
highest-ranked in-state signee.

On Stats alone, Dare looks like a better prospect. Why did he not get more fanfare and offers? Did he face bad defenses?
I once hit .800 in little league.
Do you have a point?
Competition level matters.
And people can improve with age, better coaching, S/C, etc.

Are you typing from the Yankee dugout? LOL
 
Originally posted by drewbagel423:


Originally posted by RU4Real:


Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
The 12th best NJ prospect isn't exactly a top recruit.
12th in NJ is usually a 4 star player, no?
 
Originally posted by drewbagel423:

Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
The 12th best NJ prospect isn't exactly a top recruit.
They seem to be on this board when they sign with Notre Dame, such as Rashad Kinlaw and Andrew Trumbetti did.
 
Originally posted by sherrane:
Originally posted by drewbagel423:

Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
The 12th best NJ prospect isn't exactly a top recruit.
They seem to be on this board when they sign with Notre Dame, such as Rashad Kinlaw and Andrew Trumbetti did.
By way of comparison, DC Jefferson was the #16 Pro Style recruit, Nova #11 and Laviano #35. He's a solid get.
 
On this board, when the #12 recruit in NJ signs with another team, he's a "must get" and Flood is an idiot for letting him go.

When the #12 recruit in NJ signs with Rutgers, those same people dismiss him as "not a top recruit".

It's all about fitting the details into the narrative. The people who want to bitch for the sake of bitching will go to any extent necessary to achieve their goal.
 
Originally posted by MoobyCow:

Originally posted by sherrane:
Originally posted by drewbagel423:

Originally posted by RU4Real:

Originally posted by Knight Shift:

Mike Dare was considered New Jersey's No. 12 prospect and the nation's No. 18 pro-style quarterback in 2015, the 6-foot-5 Dare was Rutgers' highest-ranked in-state signee.
Lies. Scandal and lies. Flood doesn't get top recruits.
The 12th best NJ prospect isn't exactly a top recruit.
They seem to be on this board when they sign with Notre Dame, such as Rashad Kinlaw and Andrew Trumbetti did.
By way of comparison, DC Jefferson was the #16 Pro Style recruit, Nova #11 and Laviano #35. He's a solid get.
I'm not arguing that he isn't solid. But I consider "top" to be the actual top, like 1-3 or 1-5.
 
Originally posted by John Otterstedt:
It is very hard to compare them due to the competition each one faced. It was night and day. One had a better supporting cast but much better competition, while the other had a lesser supporting cast and inferior competition. In fact, the level of players on each team - as well as the level of competition they faced - couldn't be more polar opposite.
Dead on ---- JG faced much stiffer competition.
 
Originally posted by ngrant:

My orgasm would be seeing Dare and RU stomping Tennessee and its beagles with JG in a Sugar Bowl 2017.
I would love to have an orgasm for other reasons and then to watch that. That would be a pretty good day.
 
Dare is and will be a better QB then JG watched both and I love Dare yes I know... not on the level the same of compition... remember 2 kids Burton and Jersey Joe both small schools not big D1 eyesballs on these kids. But "Cream Rises to the Top". JG is the "Jeff Driskel" of the 2016 class The fact that he was surounded by great talent JG actually looked better the he ever will be.


Remember
Driskel #1,
Nova #11
Cardale Jones # 12
Conner Cook #13
Who would you want now that we seem all 4?
FYI Driskel transfer down to Louisiana Tech after failing at Florida. Enough said about the loss of this drama queen
This post was edited on 4/16 12:34 PM by imbazza
 
quarterback is the one position where level of competition does not matter - Jay Fieldler is an example of Ivy league competiton and being considered a pro prospect. Making the plays, throws and managing the game s consistent within the level of competition.
 
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