MLAX Lands Fave Off Recruit
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Certainly seems like a much needed an top pick up. What is juco lacrosse like. I saw this team was very good this season. Is juco lacrosse more of a recruiting vs grades issue? I know some people have mentioned how there are d3 programs that can compete with d1 programs. So just interested to hear what the level is considered? Either way very good.
I'm not familiar with Harford, but Nassau CC on Long Island used to be a D1 feeder school for kids who had worker harder on lacrosse than their studies in HS. But a 72% FOGO from.a Baltimore area CC sounds quite promising.
If you watch the kids film he has quick and and can handle which allows him to be a threat on offense. I think that Matt is right that we need to add another to start stacking Fogo’s. We have two coming in next year including a kid from Michigan I saw last week and he was very good and very good competition. Fogo’s are very hot and miss, we took 2 in 2017 and neither has been able to crack the lineup. So we have this kid and Ott as our top two both have college experience and will only be getting better. Our Faceoff game needs to improve or we could be looking at a very long year.
The FOGO from Michigan is from DCC here correct? Where'd you see him play? Also, slightly unrelated, the other FOGO from Detroit CC (2019)...is headed to the same JUCO we just pulled this new kid from...more often than not, it's an academic issue...needed to get better in the classroom.
Good to see we picked up another kid...can't hurt
He played against us at IL last week dominated our kid who is/was committed to Delaware
D3 can't compete with D1.
There are always guys on the top juco teams that are good. They are there for various reasons. I think when you get away from the top teams is where you see a real drop off.
Over a whole season, or against the Top 15, yes. But a team like Salisbury or some the New England colleges like Tufts or Middlebury could more than him their own against some the lower level AQ conferences.
I’d say not against the top 30. Maybe even higher.
3 decades ago, sure. Now these D1 teams have widened the gap considerably.
I saw a D3 team play last season. They won the championship two seasons ago.
They had one maybe two kids who looked like D1 talent. They would have gotten steam rolled by St Johns for instance.
Look at the pros. Very few come from D3 programs.
Juco is not D3, most kids who go Juco either have grace issues or were under recruited, Max Edelman was a Juco, generally, kids who go Juco are looking for a Division 1 opportunity after they get their grades in order or whatever they need to do. Other kids who are in this boat can go do a PG year or find a D3 to go to. Most NESCAC schools are academically superior so they would not be in the market for those kids. Salisbury can get those kids and what you are seeing is top level kids making decisions based on education and not as much lacrosse, so many very good lacrosse players are choosing NESCAC schools bs. Lower level D1 schools. You can put schools like Gettysburg and F&M in the same boat. Based on that I would agree that the highest level D3 could play with the lowest level D1, but I would say it is closer to the top 35 teams would beat the best D3. You are underestimating the depth of talent right now in HS lacrosse. I would say that Rutgers this year was a middle of the road team this year and we would beat Cabrini by a couple of goals.
Great news...
What sucks is the PLL is experimenting with alternatives to the FO with “losers out” like in BB (if scored on the ball starts with the keeper to restart, and a ball drop (like a hockey faceoff).
i know there is interest in speeding up the game more and making the restart more even (dominant FO can be decisive) - but I hope they keep the traditional FO.
What sucks is the PLL is experimenting with alternatives to the FO with “losers out” like in BB (if scored on the ball starts with the keeper to restart, and a ball drop (like a hockey faceoff).
i know there is interest in speeding up the game more and making the restart more even (dominant FO can be decisive) - but I hope they keep the traditional FO.
At some point they will decide that fogo’s provide too much of an advantage for some team. Fogo’s may be the single most influential position in all of sports I watched games yesterday at NLF Championship, I watched games where the faceoff play was instrumental in keeping one team in the game. Great fogo’s Help teams dominate time of possession. You can keep the Fogo in the game by having a faceoff at the beginning of each quarter but, maybe they would have to be lacrosse players as well. I watch guys like Gurenlian face off and he can barely catch and throw ( he is an extreme example but not the only one)
If this is about making the game faster then they should absolutely get rid of it.
But, then again I am a Rutgers fan and we have not had a great Fogo since Nards.
If this is about making the game faster then they should absolutely get rid of it.
But, then again I am a Rutgers fan and we have not had a great Fogo since Nards.
I love watching a good aggressive faceoff as much as a goal scored so at first glance i dont want to see it reduced. But it does have a disproportionate effect on the game so im not sure where i lie.
They've been experimenting on and off for 45 years, usually giving possession to the goalie on the end line after giving up a goal. Hopefully this will pass.
One thing the could do to decrease the impact of a dominant FOGO would reduce some of the measures that protect him before possession is established. I realize they will never restore the right to hit a FOGO prior to possession being established but they might revive the ability to check sticks. A stud like Baptiste or Irlan would still dominate, but a few of those times where there is a tie up might end up going the other teams way.
This isn't going to pass.
It's being moved on at the highest levels. If lacrosse wants to be an Olympic sport, which it does, we are going to see some drastic changes.
I actually liked the drop ball thing. It was much more exciting.
It's being moved on at the highest levels. If lacrosse wants to be an Olympic sport, which it does, we are going to see some drastic changes.
I actually liked the drop ball thing. It was much more exciting.
If the Olympics hinge on not one, but all of the changes that have been brought up then I hope I never see lacrosse in the Olympics, 'cause it wouldn't be lacrosse.
I am a purist but you simply have to accept that things change. Look at basketball and how much the game has changed.
That's where lacrosse is going.
That's where lacrosse is going.
Basketball has changed, but not to the degree of the totality of what's proposed:
*No faceoffs
*No long sticks
*80 yard field with no restraining lines
*loss of possession after a missed shot goes out of bounds.
Add to that the clamp down on contact to the head rules, which are absolutely appropriate but overenforced.
It's like saying the NBA is going to switch to 3 man teams.
They are drastic changes but I'd disagree with the hoops assessment.
Basketball and NBA basketball is completely different than what Naismith invented.
No jump balls after scores, shot clocks, limited zone defenses, the key being enlarged, three point line, and I am sure a number of others.
From what I have seen of the changes, I like it. The smaller field in particular has created more interesting offense, imo.
Basketball and NBA basketball is completely different than what Naismith invented.
No jump balls after scores, shot clocks, limited zone defenses, the key being enlarged, three point line, and I am sure a number of others.
From what I have seen of the changes, I like it. The smaller field in particular has created more interesting offense, imo.
I know this will make purists cringe, but I actually like indoor lacrosse more than outdoor lacrosse. If I am going through the channels, I will watch the NLL for a bit, but I never watch any outdoor lacrosse unless Rutgers is playing.
I enjoy box, both when I played and to watch. But there are boards to keep the ball in play more often.
HOWEVER, I go back 3 years to when RU and Brown were recreating "The Greatest Show on Turf" and say THAT's the kind of lacrosse I want to watch.
Got to either reduce the influence of the faceoff and/or eliminate the retention off of shots, though the shot clock is reducing the impact of the latter to a degree. But there is no other sport in which a team can so easily dominate time of possession by simply excelling at one specific aspect of the game.
I am in favor of eliminating faceoffs after goals and having a quick restart as soon as the goalie steps out of the crease with the ball. This will create much more fastbreak opportunities and force players to become more versatile, which is what the game is really all about. Specialists would still have a role but more limited. Would be hard to justify spending valuable scholie money on a fogo to faceoff 4 times a game if they were not also good field players.
I am in favor of eliminating faceoffs after goals and having a quick restart as soon as the goalie steps out of the crease with the ball. This will create much more fastbreak opportunities and force players to become more versatile, which is what the game is really all about. Specialists would still have a role but more limited. Would be hard to justify spending valuable scholie money on a fogo to faceoff 4 times a game if they were not also good field players.
When did they do that, I have had some connection to the program since 1974 and I do not remember hearing or seeing that. They may have practiced at the RAC a few times
According to the NCAA there are new rules for 2019(sorry if its already been posted)
80sec shot clock...20sec to clear....60sec to shoot
10yd substitution box(it was 20 yds)
and,,,the DIVE,,,is back !
80sec shot clock...20sec to clear....60sec to shoot
10yd substitution box(it was 20 yds)
and,,,the DIVE,,,is back !
Maybe the 60 inch pole will be legal. There used to be a number of those back in the day.
Hope everyone's well...been busy on the road and with work travel...meant to post this last week after the IL Committed Academy...I was there watching my younger son...but got to check in on some Rutgers guys while I was there...my sons team played the team with the Rutgers group...just a couple high level positives...
2019 Goalie from Colorado...Zachary Groff. He was very impressive in the half he played that I watched. Athletic, very quick, covered a lot of space and made some really nice saves while facing a lot of action. I was impressed with his play...he's a 2019 so I assume he's gonna be on campus here in a few weeks. I liked his play...
2020 FOGO from Detroit Catholic Central...Connor Baratta. He looked very good and I watched him play in a number of games. He was named to the All Tournament team...he was impressive. He was the only FOGO that gave our face off guy (a Loyola signee from Colorado) trouble...Baratta played well this summer...I'll keep tabs on him in the spring when I'm not in NJ or Baltimore...since his high school is 5 minutes from my house. He seems to be trending up...tough kid...likes to battle
2020 Mid from Tennessee...Ellison Burt-Murray. Very quick, shifty and scored a goal when I watched him...didn't look like any of the guys were lining up now at midfield n terms of size...he was much smaller, but shifty and had a nice burst...the d middies had issues staying with him. He needs to get bigger and hit the weights big time, but I liked his game as a change of pace speed guy...
Those were the three guys that stood out in the game(s) I watched...
For those that are wondering the IL Committed Academy is a collection of 2019 and 2020 players that are signed or verballed to play D1...not everyone, but many of the top players attend and again, it's very good competition as all the guys are headed to a D1 school...
Anyway, hope everyone is well...enjoy the rest of the summer.
Cheers
2019 Goalie from Colorado...Zachary Groff. He was very impressive in the half he played that I watched. Athletic, very quick, covered a lot of space and made some really nice saves while facing a lot of action. I was impressed with his play...he's a 2019 so I assume he's gonna be on campus here in a few weeks. I liked his play...
2020 FOGO from Detroit Catholic Central...Connor Baratta. He looked very good and I watched him play in a number of games. He was named to the All Tournament team...he was impressive. He was the only FOGO that gave our face off guy (a Loyola signee from Colorado) trouble...Baratta played well this summer...I'll keep tabs on him in the spring when I'm not in NJ or Baltimore...since his high school is 5 minutes from my house. He seems to be trending up...tough kid...likes to battle
2020 Mid from Tennessee...Ellison Burt-Murray. Very quick, shifty and scored a goal when I watched him...didn't look like any of the guys were lining up now at midfield n terms of size...he was much smaller, but shifty and had a nice burst...the d middies had issues staying with him. He needs to get bigger and hit the weights big time, but I liked his game as a change of pace speed guy...
Those were the three guys that stood out in the game(s) I watched...
For those that are wondering the IL Committed Academy is a collection of 2019 and 2020 players that are signed or verballed to play D1...not everyone, but many of the top players attend and again, it's very good competition as all the guys are headed to a D1 school...
Anyway, hope everyone is well...enjoy the rest of the summer.
Cheers
Thanks, M. Saw Barratta had a really nice tournament. He should help immediately when he gets to campus. The goalie is going to get a long look. Love to hear he is athletic. That's where the position is going. How were his outlet passes?
Saw your younger son had a tournament as well. Congrats!
Saw your younger son had a tournament as well. Congrats!
No issues with the outlets...again, not to beat a dead horse, but he really impressed me....covered pipe to pipe well, and frankly he was under heavy fire by our team and held his team in the game...I wasn't the only one that noticed...
Thanks on son #2...should be an interesting fall...and year for that matter.
Golfer yes I saw that your son made the all tourney team at IL as well nice job. Lots of really good kids at that event. I would bet that Your son gets and early opportunity at Loyola , best of luck to him and you. Can not wait to see what son number 1 does this fall.
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