Move on from Schiano, please...

[qban29]

GS did a lot for our program, but then he peaked and couldn't get us over the hump against Big East WVU, Cincy, and on occasion UCONN. Am I the only one that remembers that? I don't have faith in him getting us wins over OSU, MSU, UM, WISC. There are other options out there and if what Barchi is saying regarding money not being an option, why not explore those options?

I'm praying the RU leadership makes a real statement in writing a positive new chapter for our program by not just Schiano.

 

[vm7118]

schiano had us trending up -- that alone is an improvement. schiano 2.0 would have every advantage he worked to establish the first time around.

would be a great hire

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

We are about re-animate Lombardi so bitches beware! ...and by bitches I mean Ohio state, and both of the schools where detRIOT is...

 

[nonentity80]

Yes I don't want him back either. Time to infuse new blood.

I don't understand why quite a number of people want him back. He did not win anything in the Big East. Why would you think he could win in the Big Ten?

 

[graystork]

If you've got someone proven to recruit NJ like Schiano, run a clean disciplined program like he does, and with his HC and pro experience, I'm all in. So who are these other options?

 

[PaKnight]

schiano had us trending up -- that alone is an improvement. schiano 2.0 would have every advantage he worked to establish the first time around.

would be a great hire

We were trending up through 2006, not so much after that.

 

[Jersey383]

If you've got someone proven to recruit NJ like Schiano, run a clean disciplined program like he does, and with his HC and pro experience, I'm all in. So who are these other options?

EFFF it go all in and see if we can get richt

 

[Caliknight]

Run towards Schiano!

GS 2.0 in this conference is a monster.

 

[graystork]

We were trending up through 2006, not so much after that.

Disagree. We had our best recruiting class ever in 2012 and an offensive coordinator (Cignetti) in place who knew what to do with it. Even without almost our entire coaching staff, Flood was able to tie for the Big East title with it and land in our best bowl ever against Va. Tech. It's been downhill from there.

 

[bitnez]

So he gets no credit for the talent on the 2012 team? That was his team. He would've at least "shared" the title that year. I think he gets 10 wins that year and we play Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[gman500]

Schiano was on the verge of securing us one of our best recruiting classes when he left. Recruiting has gone downhill since, and that is WITH us being in the big 10

 

[JC16NYR]

We were trending up through 2006, not so much after that.

Really? This is gonna make me sound old but, do you know what Rutgers Football was like in the previous decades?

 

[ScarletCrimson]

let's go Schiano!

 

[PaKnight]

Disagree. We had our best recruiting class ever in 2012 and an offensive coordinator (Cignetti) in place who knew what to do with it. Even without almost our entire coaching staff, Flood was able to tie for the Big East title with it. It's been downhill from there.

The word was that Cignetti was out even if GS stayed. Bottom line if you are looking at trends, we won 11 games in 2006 and did not come close to matching that the next five years.

 

[ru-baby]

Stop w the aac and be talk
Mgs in the big will be a whole different animal!

Just think of how boring things of been under flood. The very least it's going to be very exciting

 

[PatrickRU92]

Give me a better realistic option. If we had a shot at Richt or Mullens I'd agree.

Now if you tell me you'd rather have Babers or some other MAC coach, then we'll just flat out disagree.

 

[Ascent]

Schiano is an average or below average coach. Rutgers let him hang around for 12 years.

Let's hire a coach that can win a B1G championship. Schiano won ZERO championships during 14 seasons as a HC (RU and NFL).

 

[Knight Shift]

An Illinois fan, Track71 posted this in another thread. Is there anything to argue about here?

My outside perspective as a NJ resident and alum of another B1G school, Illinois.

My alma mater has an interim Chancellor, interim Provost, interim AD and until yesterday, an interim FB coach. Bill Cubit ( A blast from Rutgers past) had the interim tagged removed, but he only has a two year contract. So that means next year, he will basically be interim again under a new AD. Not a good situation.
In contrast President Barchi moved quickly and had his new AD lined up before he had Julie Hermann "resign". Commendable move.

Looking at football, I'm not sold on Greg Schiano as being able to take RU higher than he was able to achieve on his first go around. Ignoring his first 4 years, when he was building his base, lets look at his last 7 years.

-Conference record last 7 years -25-24
-Conference record last 4 years 13-15
-Starting with the 2006 season when he was 11-2, his record against teams with winning records was 19-21

• in 11 years, his average SOS was 69, and that includes 7 Big East games each year.
• in 11 years, of his 40 out of conference wins, 30 were against non-BCS teams
  -Schiano's Rutgers teams feasted on MAC teams (7-1), Army and Navy (13-2) and FCS teams (8-2). None of these non-conference wins came against a team ranked in the top 25.
  -Against non-conference teams from BCS conferences Schiano went 10-12. Five of these wins came in bowl games in which Rutgers was favored. Once more, none of these wins were against teams ranked in the top 25.

The B1G is a lot tougher than the old Big East, plus we are going to a 9 game conference schedule. Rutgers is in the East division with tOSU, Mich St, and Michigan. Those are three very good coaches. Greg would have to have improved a whole lot to take Rutgers to their level.

73 track71, 28 minutes ago

 

[Duff366]

I would take Schiano with a really good OC and offense (some variation of the spread). College football is all about scoring now. I have nightmares of Schiano's conservative, play not to lose offense

 

[Extra Point]

We know what we are getting with Schiano 2.0. Any other coach from a weak division is taking a gamble. The elite coaches will want to much money and may be equivalent to Schiano 2.0.

 

[bitnez]

Schiano is an average or below average coach. Rutgers let him hang around for 12 years.

Let's hire a coach that can win a B1G championship. Schiano won ZERO championships during 14 seasons as a HC (RU and NFL).

In 2006 if we don't drop a pass we beat WVU. He was great that year. Is that in Schiano? If he's here in 2012 he easily wins the same 9 games -- if not more -- that Flood won. I get that the guy wasn't a wizard on Saturdays but the lack of Championship stuff is weak. If you want to say a 6 year cycle between great teams is too long I won't disgaree. But, I would note that Kirk Ferentz sure looks damn good this year and he had not broken 8 wins in 5 years.

 

[Extra Point]

An Illinois fan, Track71 posted this in another thread. Is there anything to argue about here?

My outside perspective as a NJ resident and alum of another B1G school, Illinois.

My alma mater has an interim Chancellor, interim Provost, interim AD and until yesterday, an interim FB coach. Bill Cubit ( A blast from Rutgers past) had the interim tagged removed, but he only has a two year contract. So that means next year, he will basically be interim again under a new AD. Not a good situation.
In contrast President Barchi moved quickly and had his new AD lined up before he had Julie Hermann "resign". Commendable move.

Looking at football, I'm not sold on Greg Schiano as being able to take RU higher than he was able to achieve on his first go around. Ignoring his first 4 years, when he was building his base, lets look at his last 7 years.

-Conference record last 7 years -25-24
-Conference record last 4 years 13-15
-Starting with the 2006 season when he was 11-2, his record against teams with winning records was 19-21

• in 11 years, his average SOS was 69, and that includes 7 Big East games each year.
• in 11 years, of his 40 out of conference wins, 30 were against non-BCS teams
  -Schiano's Rutgers teams feasted on MAC teams (7-1), Army and Navy (13-2) and FCS teams (8-2). None of these non-conference wins came against a team ranked in the top 25.
  -Against non-conference teams from BCS conferences Schiano went 10-12. Five of these wins came in bowl games in which Rutgers was favored. Once more, none of these wins were against teams ranked in the top 25.

The B1G is a lot tougher than the old Big East, plus we are going to a 9 game conference schedule. Rutgers is in the East division with tOSU, Mich St, and Michigan. Those are three very good coaches. Greg would have to have improved a whole lot to take Rutgers to their level.

73 track71, 28 minutes ago

That was Schiano 1.0 before he gained experience in the NFL and tutelage under Belichick. If it doesn't work out he can be fired after a few years, and we try Flood 2.0 who has a terrific win/loss record as a head coach.

 

[bitnez]

An Illinois fan, Track71 posted this in another thread. Is there anything to argue about here?

My outside perspective as a NJ resident and alum of another B1G school, Illinois.

My alma mater has an interim Chancellor, interim Provost, interim AD and until yesterday, an interim FB coach. Bill Cubit ( A blast from Rutgers past) had the interim tagged removed, but he only has a two year contract. So that means next year, he will basically be interim again under a new AD. Not a good situation.
In contrast President Barchi moved quickly and had his new AD lined up before he had Julie Hermann "resign". Commendable move.

Looking at football, I'm not sold on Greg Schiano as being able to take RU higher than he was able to achieve on his first go around. Ignoring his first 4 years, when he was building his base, lets look at his last 7 years.

-Conference record last 7 years -25-24
-Conference record last 4 years 13-15
-Starting with the 2006 season when he was 11-2, his record against teams with winning records was 19-21

• in 11 years, his average SOS was 69, and that includes 7 Big East games each year.
• in 11 years, of his 40 out of conference wins, 30 were against non-BCS teams
  -Schiano's Rutgers teams feasted on MAC teams (7-1), Army and Navy (13-2) and FCS teams (8-2). None of these non-conference wins came against a team ranked in the top 25.
  -Against non-conference teams from BCS conferences Schiano went 10-12. Five of these wins came in bowl games in which Rutgers was favored. Once more, none of these wins were against teams ranked in the top 25.

The B1G is a lot tougher than the old Big East, plus we are going to a 9 game conference schedule. Rutgers is in the East division with tOSU, Mich St, and Michigan. Those are three very good coaches. Greg would have to have improved a whole lot to take Rutgers to their level.

73 track71, 28 minutes ago

This may sound ridiculous but is the current B1G really a lot tougher than the old Big East? Penn St, Nebraska, Indiana and even Wisconsin are no better than Pitt or Cincy was in the mid 2000s. Sure, OSU and MSU are great but WVU and Louisville would've been in the playoff at least once or twice as well if it existed then.

 

[Jersey383]

In 2006 if we don't drop a pass we beat WVU. He was great that year. Is that in Schiano? If he's here in 2012 he easily wins the same 9 games -- if not more -- that Flood won. I get that the guy wasn't a wizard on Saturdays but the lack of Championship stuff is weak. If you want to say a 6 year cycle between great teams is too long I won't disgaree. But, I would note that Kirk Ferentz sure looks damn good this year and he had not broken 8 wins in 5 years.

Totally agree with you. I would LOVE to get a big named coach like Richt in here but then i have to tell myself to be realistic. Getting schiano if it doesn't do anything else will definitely do two things for us. 1) It will make us a lot more attractive as far as recruiting goes. and 2) It will make us instantly more competitive. After that let the chips fall where they may.

 

[track71]

This may sound ridiculous but is the current B1G really a lot tougher than the old Big East? Penn St, Nebraska, Indiana and even Wisconsin are no better than Pitt or Cincy was in the mid 2000s. Sure, OSU and MSU are great but WVU and Louisville would've been in the playoff at least once or twice as well if it existed then.

Good point, but the fact is, Rutgers is in the East Division of the B1G. RU has to go thru tOSU, MichSt and Mich to get to the title game. Rutgers should be at least on par with Penn State. With Maryland, we will have to see if the Under Armour money is spent well. With Indiana, [roll]

 

[RutgersROB]

That was Schiano 1.0 before he gained experience in the NFL and tutelage under Belichick. If it doesn't work out he can be fired after a few years, and we try Flood 2.0 who has a terrific win/loss record as a head coach.

Pretty sure he spent some time with Urban Meyer during his time off

 

[Knight Shift]

This may sound ridiculous but is the current B1G really a lot tougher than the old Big East? Penn St, Nebraska, Indiana and even Wisconsin are no better than Pitt or Cincy was in the mid 2000s. Sure, OSU and MSU are great but WVU and Louisville would've been in the playoff at least once or twice as well if it existed then.

It's ridiculous, in my opinion.
Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan. No team compares to them from old Big East.
Penn State is equal to WVU in the old Big East.
Cincy and Louisville are on par with Indiana and one of the cross division rivals like Nebraska. Not even close.

 

[Knight Shift]

Good point, but the fact is, Rutgers is in the East Division of the B1G. RU has to go thru tOSU, MichSt and Mich to get to the title game. Rutgers should be at least on par with Penn State. With Maryland, we will have to see if the Under Armour money is spent well. With Indiana, [roll]

Thanks for showing up here. Hope you don't mind my quoting your post from the other thread.

Some folks here are like the spouse who got dumped by their first spouse, who ran off with a hotter piece. They got remarried, and divorced and now are looking back saying, my first spouse was not so bad . . . .

 

[koleszar]

An Illinois fan, Track71 posted this in another thread. Is there anything to argue about here?

The B1G is a lot tougher than the old Big East, plus we are going to a 9 game conference schedule. Rutgers is in the East division with tOSU, Mich St, and Michigan. Those are three very good coaches. Greg would have to have improved a whole lot to take Rutgers to their level.

73 track71, 28 minutes ago

Schiano was recruiting in a Big East which was falling apart at the seems. Remember all the swirling talk the last few years with teams leaving. Yet he brought in our best recruiting class ever with help in that environment. Give the man the B1G conference to sell and he will get the talent needed to compete with the traditional powers. His last 6 years records 11-2, 8-5, 8-5, 9-4, 4-8(Legrand injury), 9-4. He then had the team set for a championship run which Flood blew with a loaded team. I'll take this six year result in the B1G every time with a chance at the championship every 6th year.

 

[mildone]

I fail to understand why people automatically assume that RU can't hire a coach like Richt or better. Barchi has already said money will not be a problem. I realize this does not necessarily mean he'll spend $10M on a completely coaching staff. But we don't know he won't do that either.

It seems that Barchi is paying more attention than most of us thought. People here did the math on the costs of keeping Flood. Well the math works both ways. Hire an exciting enough coach; one that regularly produces wins against good Big Ten teams, and we'll sell more tickets and merchandise. Plus donations will increase.

Barchi has to understand this. And he has to understand that building a regularly winning football program does a lot more for the university than just generate revenue.

So maybe it won't happen. But I'm not yet ready to give up on the possibility of hiring a first class coach w/a proven record of winning against great competition (e.g. Richt).

 

[bitnez]

It's ridiculous, in my opinion.
Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan. No team compares to them from old Big East.
Penn State is equal to WVU in the old Big East.
Cincy and Louisville are on par with Indiana and one of the cross division rivals like Nebraska. Not even close.

You honestly believe that PSU under Franklin is the equal of WVU under Rich Rod and that Louisville under Petrino or Cincy under Kelly is Indiana? Come on. Stop looking at the names and focus on the product on the field. I am not arguing that the Big East is the same as the B1G. I am simply saying that it is not a lot better.

 

[nonentity80]

Schiano was a mediocre coach at Rutgers and was a terrible coach in the NFL. To think that he has magically transformed into anything better is just delusional.

Also, we just suffered under Schiano's coaching mentee. What Flood knows about head coaching was taught by Schiano. So I don't get the logic of wanting to bring the teacher back.

I want someone new. A fresh start.

 

[saran]

GS was burned out on Rutgers. He was a zombie his last weeks here. The Nova booing and turnovers were too much like 2008. Greg resented hostile home crowds. The EL situation burned him out most of all. I'd be shocked if he ever came back to RU.

 

[NYSportsFan]

Give me a better realistic option. If we had a shot at Richt or Mullens I'd agree.

Now if you tell me you'd rather have Babers or some other MAC coach, then we'll just flat out disagree.

this. if you look at the coaching candidates -

Schiano vs Golden - Same thing, slight edge to Greg because hes already familiar with RU.
Schiano vs Fleck - PJ will be ready eventually for a p5 job, and he comes from the Greg tree. so why not take the teacher over the pupil if the teacher is available.

Schiano v Robb Smith - Robb Smith is not a head coach. hes not, yet. solid d coordinator, but do u want his first shot to be a job in the Big Ten east vs Urban/Jim/Mark D? I dont.


Again, not advocating for Greg, but compared to other candidates, and the fact that I think he has changed some things about him given his time off from coaching, Greg 2.0 would be the choice. Now, if Dan Mullen wants a change a scenery, I will happily fly to starkville (with Barchi's money) and pick him up.

 

[Jersey383]

I fail to understand why people automatically assume that RU can't hire a coach like Richt or better. Barchi has already said money will not be a problem. I realize this does not necessarily mean he'll spend $10M on a completely coaching staff. But we don't know he won't do that either.

It seems that Barchi is paying more attention than most of us thought. People here did the math on the costs of keeping Flood. Well the math works both ways. Hire an exciting enough coach; one that regularly produces wins against good Big Ten teams, and we'll sell more tickets and merchandise. Plus donations will increase.

Barchi has to understand this. And he has to understand that building a regularly winning football program does a lot more for the university than just generate revenue.

So maybe it won't happen. But I'm not yet ready to give up on the possibility of hiring a first class coach w/a proven record of winning against great competition (e.g. Richt).

With how quickly Barchi hired the new AD i wouldn't be surprised if he was testing the waters on some coaches weeks ago. Yes that includes Richt, if i learned one thing about barchi after all of this is that he is doing things his way now, and his way includes spending money so Richt may not be out of the picture. I am very optimistic when he said money isn't a problem.

 

[mildone]

GS was burned out on Rutgers. He was a zombie his last weeks here. The Nova booing and turnovers were too much like 2008. Greg resented hostile home crowds. The EL situation burned him out most of all. I'd be shocked if he ever came back to RU.

Agreed. Although if he has no other options, that would surely increase his willingess.

 

[rucoe89]

Despite what this board thinks, the news so far, particularly directly from the new AD, seems it indicate it will not be GS.

 

[rufeelinit]

I wouldn't hold a grudge against schiano for taking an nfl job even if the timing was awful for us. I am concerned about whether he is a best option for us but that depends on what we are truly willing to spend. If money is really not an issue then rhule, richt, Herman and Mullen should all be getting calls if money is not an issue. Would have felt the same way about miles had he been let go. Is it likely one of them comes? Probably not but you need to put your best foot forward. I have a feeling the money comment comes from an indication of what. Schiano is seeking.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Really? This is gonna make me sound old but, do you know what Rutgers Football was like in the previous decades?

Whats wrong with us older fans who've endured so much garbage between Frank Burns through GS missing the fire and pride GS brought back to the great state of NJ and RU...FACE IT...he's a PROVEN winner and take away the 1st yrs of his total rebuild tenure and he's a B1G winner.

 

[NickyNewark51]

With how quickly Barchi hired the new AD i wouldn't be surprised if he was testing the waters on some coaches weeks ago. Yes that includes Richt, if i learned one thing about barchi after all of this is that he is doing things his way now, and his way includes spending money so Richt may not be out of the picture. I am very optimistic when he said money isn't a problem.

I thought the same thing given his rush to fire him in the chopper.....hire an AD and was probably probing candidates for weeks ''just in case'''..lol...thank god.