Why... EL is still here and he's like family to him....i'd be burning thinking I left something unfinished...i think GS thinks like me but gets paid better for it.
Move on from Schiano, please...
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And nick saben, hoodie and other successful HC. Schiano is wiser and would bring a refined approach this time around, perhaps delegating more to his assistants toning down his "control freak" persona.
I don't think that Schiano is coming back and in fact I rather we finally turn the page and start fresh and breaks all ties, Big East football doesn't even exist anymore, we are not playing 5 OOC cupcakes anymore to pad the stats, it is time to move on.
That being said, I would not be upset if he was hired as long as it is only a 5 year contract and it is not extended too soon. he can build us up until 2021 and then we can hire a real HC to take us to the next level. I feel the same way about Al Golden. They are both the same thing, and would do just as well to get us to 2021.
I would like to see what happens if we get a up incoming HC here now, that might get us to where we want to be faster.
I would also like to see us try to get a big name HC now instead of 2021, but that may not be possible due to funds.
All of that being said, anyone will be better than Flood, anyone will be a upgrade.
I will give anyone a chance, considering the flood damage our program now has, it may take a few years anyway to get out of the bottom of the Big Ten.
That being said, I would not be upset if he was hired as long as it is only a 5 year contract and it is not extended too soon. he can build us up until 2021 and then we can hire a real HC to take us to the next level. I feel the same way about Al Golden. They are both the same thing, and would do just as well to get us to 2021.
I would like to see what happens if we get a up incoming HC here now, that might get us to where we want to be faster.
I would also like to see us try to get a big name HC now instead of 2021, but that may not be possible due to funds.
All of that being said, anyone will be better than Flood, anyone will be a upgrade.
I will give anyone a chance, considering the flood damage our program now has, it may take a few years anyway to get out of the bottom of the Big Ten.
People throwing around names like Richt and Mullen are really off in La La Land. That's not happening. Richt will probably take some time off and would want an established big time program to lead. Similar with Mullen, why would he move from MSU to RU?..especially when you consider he makes 4 mill/yr. RU is not paying the next coach 4 mill or more per year. Schiano's experience, leadership and familiarity with NJ and the culture around here would add instant stability and credibility to the program. Golden would probably represent something similar. Other than that, they would be looking at much less experienced and untested candidates.
So many campaigning to roll the dice on the next HC. Write down the names of Rutgers last ten hoops coaches, look at the list carefully, up and down and ask yourself, "does what i'm thinking make any sense at all?"
If the answer is still yes then it's probably an IQ issue.
If the answer is still yes then it's probably an IQ issue.
Please stop brining up Richt. He is not realistic in any way. He is the definition of a southerner who would not be a fit in the NY/NJ area.
Not much after 2006, yes sir, I don't think there is an
excuse for that either, he had the tiger by the tail, and let
go. I think he had his eye on Penn St. the whole time,
and lost focus. Plus his coaching inabilities started to show.
after 11 years, he didn't really leave much, no QB, no line etc.
You will now get the excuses Flood left him an empty
cupboard and we must give him time, but that is all bull.
When GS left, he was done. Thanks but no thanks.
Yeah, they always want to come back, when dumped by the "hotter piece!"
All those who want Schiano back, prefer a coach who is historically no better than 500% winning percentage, over taking a chance at someone who can actually get this program to the next level. Amazing?
Rutgers = Mediocrity
This is exactly why I don't want Schiano. I expect him to put together 7 or 8 win regular seasons, with occasional 5/6 win seasons and occasional 9 win regular seasons. It is hard to fire someone like that, especially after you had to bring him back to revive the program. But it means we would never be competing for championships.
This. If I see another 55 yard FG attempt from 4th and 2 at the 38 or punt on 4th and 3 from the 40, I might throw my seatback into the Raritan.
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He saved this program and if given the chance will save it again. .500 record? Are you kidding me? Alot of fans with short memories forget what he inherited... dead last of all Division I schools in Sports Illustrated. The absolute worse program in the country. I'll take 11-2, 8-5, 8-5, 9-4, 9-4, in five out of six years! In Greg We Trust!
No thanks to Schiano, thanks for that game in 2006, but that was over a decade ago!
We keep forgetting proven winners like Polini, and Narduzzi. Or, up and coming guys like Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette head coach, Rhett Lashlee, Auburn offensive coordinator, Tony Levine, Houston head coach, and that's just off the top of my head. The point is that there are many who would excel in this position. But, you have to keep an open mind. And, don't forget money is NOT the problem.
We keep forgetting proven winners like Polini, and Narduzzi. Or, up and coming guys like Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette head coach, Rhett Lashlee, Auburn offensive coordinator, Tony Levine, Houston head coach, and that's just off the top of my head. The point is that there are many who would excel in this position. But, you have to keep an open mind. And, don't forget money is NOT the problem.
Yes, 500 record, after 2006! Do a little fact checking. Throw in the fact that he is a horrible game day coach, and you again travel back to mediocrity. We need to go forward, and overcome the hiccup which was Flood. IMHOP
And, one more thing those 8-5. 9-4 years were in part, if not mostly to the fact that our Out of Conference scheduling was so soft. We are in the B1G now, you know the Big Boys, and with extended in Conference scheduling, each week will be a test. So, thank you for the memories Greg, but that is all they are, memories.
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I'm surprised Rutgers forgot to commemorate the 10th anniversary of that game from "over a decade ago."
lets move on and start fresh......some of you laughed at the possibility that he would come back a year ago when it was mentioned and now you are groveling to get him back
we can and will do better. If we think that GS is the only guy to make us successful than we need to drop down to the MAC
we can and will do better. If we think that GS is the only guy to make us successful than we need to drop down to the MAC
Not for nothing, but if I remember correctly there was a guy
It's not "people" who are saying that, it's Barchi. The only issue in bringing any coach to Rutgers is if we have the right recruiter. The Rutgers job is a very attractive job, for someone who wants to build a legacy, from a very fertile area of the country. We always forget that.
I'm pretty ambivalent about Schiano, but if he could replicate this:
Massey Ratings:
2005: 51
2006: 17
2007: 39
2008: 36
2009: 38
2010: 88
2011: 35
That's a pretty big up[tick from this:
2012: 47
2013: 88
2014: 48
2015: 90+
Mid 30s level teams isn't the dream scenario, but it is enough to keep seasons interesting and fun, and at the end of the day I'll take interesting and fun.
Massey Ratings:
2005: 51
2006: 17
2007: 39
2008: 36
2009: 38
2010: 88
2011: 35
That's a pretty big up[tick from this:
2012: 47
2013: 88
2014: 48
2015: 90+
Mid 30s level teams isn't the dream scenario, but it is enough to keep seasons interesting and fun, and at the end of the day I'll take interesting and fun.
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I see all the old Schiano groupies are coming out of the closet again, lol.
There's nothing wrong with this, given our context. We might be able to hire someone who can develop into something better, but we'd likely wind up with someone worse. If we want to hire someone who is going to compete for championships every year, we'll need to spend at least 5-6 million, but even that is no sure thing. But we'd have to up donations. In my mind, Schiano is the safe, solid, pick.
You also have to remember that Schiano had a shoestring budget for assistants. Hopefully he'd have a bigger budget this time around, which hopefully allows us to have a championship season once in a while.
I think he's grown as a coach, and hopefully, we will benefit from his growth.
Who are you and what have you done with the real rutgersal? Or is this the real rutgersal shining through? If so, it's a refreshing change.
Enough already, Schiano Detractors. I continue to be baffled and dismayed by the Schiano critics. They just cannot seem to stop picking on his foibles (like being controlling, or making certain arguable on-field decisions) or, most of all, their constant carping about the lack of a championship or major bowl appearance during Greg's tenure. However,if you were there for the dreadful years, especially the Terry Shea teams and the early Schiano years , RU was ten times worse than we are now; we didn't lose to good teams, we were slaughtered by astonishingly lopsided scores. Probably would have lost to Piscataway H.S. A total joke. Schiano had the balls to take on this train wreck of a program and slowly, brick-by-brick, the house got constructed, soundly. He persuaded one recruit at a time to come to Rutgers. SOLID RESPECTABILITY FELT BLOODY DAMN GOOD FOR LONG SUFFERING FANS! Just to be mentioned by sportscasters in a non-derisive or snickering tone was bliss. And I'd like to emphasize that for several seasons, before a bunch of teams exited for the ACC (or Big 12), the Big East was a very respectable conference. Schiano's return would be a recruiting bonanza and instantly restore RU's battered reputation. He'd also be more likely to retain recruits and minimize transfers. Having said that, I'd still be shocked if he came here. Been there, done that to the 10th power, and for relatively short money, with a guy who I believe is still getting his Tampa Bay payout. High risk factor as well. But if it happens, I'd be the happiest fan there is.
WTF...he didn't leave much ?
In Flood's first season :2012; he was given 7 NFL Draft picks that very season ( and still blew 2 chances to get to the BCS) and the best recruiting class in a long time ( Carroo, Hamilton, Longa,etc.)
Nonsense. We have @RU4Real, who hails from the south and @RutgersRaRa, who likes country music.
I know both correct ways to spell "y'all" and "ya'll" as well as all eleven ways to pronounce it (one each for each of the confederate states). And, I know that regular grits take about 20 minutes to cook.
How much more southerner-ready can a football program be?
If it's announced that GS is our next coach....I would welcome him...but, I won't forgive him until a championship.
I love how everyone is upset he never brought the championships he "promised". At least he was talking about championships and got people believing in the idea of championships.
It's amazing that Flood ruined all that just as quickly as many feared he would.
I wonder how many people who wanted to keep Flood as coach over the last few years because he was a "nice guy" and "an honorable man" are among those criticizing the work Schiano did for RU.
I have little doubt Schiano will coach college football again, but if I was him I would start somewhere new. RU fans don't deserve him. He took over a program that was comparable only to Temple and led us to seeing it's name in the Top Ten. If you don't think that was remarkable nothing will ever convince you of the job he did here. And Schiano deserves better IMO. He doesn't need to have a statue made, but he doesn't need a fanbase where half the fans downplay what he accomplished.
Schiano fans warned we would miss him after he was gone. Flood proved it.
I think your missing the whole point of my post.
I won't forgive him because he left without finishing the job he started here...a job he himself said was to win championships.
And please stop trying to divide the fan base with Flood vs Schiano fans...we are all RU fans...we want RU to do well...we don't want your pontificating to materialize just so you can say I told you so.
This kind of mentality will continue to make us a two bit fan base...no matter who is our coach.
I don't know why, but I keep dreaming that it will be Golden if GS defers....can't explain it. I am not dreaming of wanting AL here, but for some reason Golden looks safe if MC is not coming here.
All 3 are a serious upgrade over Flood. I wish I was dreaming about Mullen or Richt....
All 3 are a serious upgrade over Flood. I wish I was dreaming about Mullen or Richt....
I'm not sure half the fanbase is downplaying his accomplishments here. He did an amazing job of building the program into a program worthy of a Big Ten invite. That was a huge accomplishment and I don't think I've heard anybody dispute that.
However, the goal should be to win consistently in the Big Ten, including beating some of the elite teams, and to position ourselves to have a realistic chance at a conference championship and a national championship. Many people simply think that Schiano, while a very good coach in some ways, is not a guy that has consistently demonstrated the ability to do that. Which is a fair, if arguable, position to take.
For some of us, being a great program builder does not equate to being a championship-capable coach in the Big Ten East. IMO, he was a suspect game-day coach and a control-freak. In order to beat the elite teams in the Big Ten, one needs to be a great game-day coach and to have, and trust, coordinators that can go toe-to-toe with the elite team's coordinators.
I just don't think Schiano is that guy. But if he does come here, I'll put that aside and start rooting for him to get the job done. And then we'll all see what he can do.
Why is GS not working if he is this great college and NFL coach? We've seen this movie before. He will not be given a five year plan. Fans will bail quickly if he doesn't produce. We need someone who is going to come in and outwork the competition and coach up what we have. Some of these big names may not be up to the task. I prefer someone the likes of the Bowling Green coach. Take a careful look at his resume. We need a fresh start and not someone cashing a big paycheck (we may have one of those already on the payroll). Thanks for listening. $$$$
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I agree completely. The needle on recruiting really didn't start to move until well after 2006, and people seem to gloss over in their minds the uphill battle Schiano faced even late in recruiting.The cycle after 2006 he landed Anthony Davis, Lefeged and Abreu, but it was 2011 before he actually signed four 4* recruits to a single class.
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