Mullin to be st johns new head coach per nydaily news
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Talking it up today on the Michael Kay Show. Kay thought it was a great hire. La Greca thought kids these days have no clue who Mullins is. It's the kids fathers who remember. Banking on alumni to be brought back to glory years and have them come to the games and donate money. Both said he needs a suburb coaching staff and recruit and then Mullins takes out the video of him playing with MK et. al on the Olympic team and he closes the deal. Sounds familiar?
Not really similar at all.
The only similarities are that they both played in the NBA, were both alumnus of the school that now hired them, and neither were HEAD coaches in college prior to being hired in their now current positions.
While those are factual surface similarities, the differences are huge:
College Coaching Experience:
Mullin = ZERO;
Jordan = 7 years experience as a college assistant coach.
NBA Coaching Experience:
Mullin = ZERO;
Jordan = 10 years experience as an NBA assistant coach.
NBA HEAD Coaching Experience:
Mullin = ZERO;
Jordan = 6 years as an NBA head coach - including 4 play off seasons and being hired as head coach for 3 different teams.
NBA Management Experience:
Mullin = 5 years as GM or GM-equivalent; 1 year special assistant;
Jordan = ZERO.
Broadcasting Experience:
Mullin = A few years;
Jordan = ZERO.
I see no similarities, really. Some will argue that Jordan was a BAD NBA head coach ... yet still, he was hired by 3 different franchises to be their head coach ... and did take Washington the the play offs 4 straight years, for the first time in a long time, no less. Some will argue Jordan was 20 years away from being in the college ranks. This is true, yet he did have 7 years experience as an assistant at various levels, in college. Plus, he was a superb NBA assistant coach for 10 years.
It is why though the team has not played the way I would like, I find it hard to believe it is because Jordan lacks coaching skills ... prior to a year off before being hired by Rutgers, he had been an assistant or head coach in college or the NBA for 23 straight seasons. And you do not get to be an NBA head coach - let alone for 3 different franchises - unless you have SOME serious skills that justify being a head coach. Jordan did not get hired by THREE different franchises as their head coach by accident (maybe the 1st hire was by accident, as he was the lead assistant when the head coach got fired ... but not the other 2 jobs).
This is college not the NBA. Jordan is outside in recruiting looking in. That's why you need college guys on your staff.
No.
Not even close.
I am not saying Jordan will succeed, though I sure hope he does, otherwise we are looking at another 5 years before RU has any hope (2 more years of Jordan, at least, plus 3 more years with a new coach).
I AM saying that the poster who argues there are a lot of similarities between the Mullin and Jordan hires is a nutcase.
I am also saying that I do not believe those who argue Jordan is a lousy coach ... even if it may turn out he is not the right guy to move RU forward in the direction most of us want the program to move.
That's a big part as St Johns finished 2nd to last in Big East attendance this year...as so many of their subway alumni, let alone NYC Hoop fans (didn't graduate from St Johns but use to be season tix holders) have given up on their program.
No guarantee this hire will be successful but at least in the short term, St Johns will probably get a big boost in media coverage, plus some subway alumni/NYC Fans"coming back", at least in the short term.
First I take offense that just because people have a different opinion than you doesn't give you a right to call them a nutcase. You of all people should be sensitive about name calling.
Second it's not an arguement. I just brought up the similarities that these 2 guys never were a head coach in college. Recruiting back in the 70's and 80's is a whole different bowl of wax than now. These kids now were born in 2000. Their parents were like 10 when they played ball. Their grandparents have to explain to them how good they were in college.
This post was edited on 3/31 9:10 AM by RocktheRac
This post was edited on 3/31 9:13 AM by RocktheRac
Most adults who followed hoops during the 80's probably remember Mullin's most for his 1984 Olympic Gold Medal (and 1992 Olympic Dream Teamer) and St John's 1985 Final Four Run...3 Time Big East Player of the Year and Mullin's being the 7th overall NBA Draft pick in 1985.
St Johns/Mullin's were a staple during ESPN's beginning coverage/love-affair with Big East Basketball at that time.
I think most parents who had kids born in 2000 were more than 10 years old when Mullin's made his biggest impact in college ball...let alone a solid NBA Career (16 year career, 5 time All-Star).
Mullin finally retired playing hoops back in 2001.
Mullin was inducted in the Basketball Hall of Fame (and the College Basketball Hall of Fame)
Jordan played at RU when there was almost zero regular season national TV coverage of college basketball (minus a game or two on Saturday).
Bottom line...there are not many parents that had kids born in 2000 that didn't know about Mullin's College and definitely, his NBA Career (which ended AFTER those kids were born)
jelly....i am asking the question. I think it is possible spending 5 years as a NBA GM could be more valuable to a college coach than spending 10 years as a NBA head coach.
NBA coach is easy...get handed 12 players and all you have to do is coach...nothing else.
NCAA head coach is a CEO who has many functions, 1 is the actual coach.
NBA coach is easy...get handed 12 players and all you have to do is coach...nothing else.
NCAA head coach is a CEO who has many functions, 1 is the actual coach.
Also, there have been some long-time NBA Players that have turned out to be pretty darn coaches, without much prep in that area (i.e. Larry Bird, Doc Rivers, Jeff Hornacek, and even Jason Kidd, et al).
There was actually studies done that showed (in this case, NBA Games):
http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/news/nba-players-make-winning-coaches
According to a study done by researchers at Cornell University and the University of Warwick in the United Kingdom, former basketball players who had long careers, or were selected as All-Stars, had statistically higher winning percentages as head coaches.
"Having a former All-Star player as your coach is worth about six extra places in the NBA rankings in team winning percentage," said Larry Kahn, a professor of labor economics and collective bargaining at Cornell's ILR School. "We were surprised at the strength of the statistical evidence."
Using data from 15,000 basketball games between 1996 and 2004, researchers found that teams coached by former NBA All-Stars had an average winning percentage of .495, while coaches who were not All-Stars had an average winning percentage of .376.
We can all make fun or Mullin BUT he just hired Iowa State's lead recruiter ... who will probably bring Chieck Diallo with him for next season. Meanwhile, Eddie and O'Koren play golf ... or something.
That's a pretty damn good start compared to what Jordan did with his staff for Years 1 and 2.
That's a pretty damn good start compared to what Jordan did with his staff for Years 1 and 2.
This position was very assistant dependent. We all know what Mullin did. My uncles all played hs basketball with him in Brooklyn. I don't think his experience is greater than Ej's. Do i think he might do better? Seeing who he has around him, quite possibly.
We all mentioned about who we have on our bench. I like O koren and Macon, but the experience of everyone else does not leave me satisfied.
We all mentioned about who we have on our bench. I like O koren and Macon, but the experience of everyone else does not leave me satisfied.
Did someone say that the SJU program is in shambles ? RU BB should be in such a state. But Mullin has an awful lot of spots to fill this season, especially if he can't convince Jordan and Obekpa to stick around. 2015-2016 could be an ugly year for Mullin and the Red Storm.
From ESPN today:
The Red Storm were 21-12 this past season, getting knocked out in the round of 64 by San Diego State. St. John's loses four seniors, while Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa are considering the NBA draft. Top-50 recruit Brandon Sampson also reopened his recruitment after Lavin and the program parted ways.
From ESPN today:
The Red Storm were 21-12 this past season, getting knocked out in the round of 64 by San Diego State. St. John's loses four seniors, while Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa are considering the NBA draft. Top-50 recruit Brandon Sampson also reopened his recruitment after Lavin and the program parted ways.
Yes that program is in shambles.
They didn't last past the first round of the NCAA Tourney..
But they did make the Dance and that wasn't good enough to keep Lavin.
81-55 in 5 years is not living up to the expectations of Red Storm fans
Add 2 NCAAs with 2 NITs in 4 years of Steve in charge ,didn't give him rights to a lifetime contract.
I think Mullin will do fine , even without coaching experience and defections to NBA or transferring to another school,
if he gets the type of assistants that he needs to improve on what Lavin had.
Chris might not make a splash in the W-L column his first two years, but I expect his third year will be a good one .
With RU all I can do is hope Eddie's third year is a good one and he can find a young hungry assistant that's willing to take a chance by coming to Rutgers .
I Think St John's is not considered a career gamble, like RU is considered ( in my opinion)
This post was edited on 3/31 6:40 PM by MADHAT1
Now there is a statement that Mullin means business. Goes out and hire a highly reputable recruiting assistant to address one of his weaknesses from being away from the college game. Next will likely be an experienced bench coach (maybe Pecora or someone like Al Skinner?). Meanwhile EJ retains Rice's top two assistants who still had Rice stain (not a good thing) and then does not seem to use them much. His two changes this year were certainly uninspiring.
Here's a thought. Mullins, with no Coaching experience, would dearly love to get an NBA Coaching position, but he is not in the mix without experience. He can get experience at St. John's, and if successful, maybe an NBA job opens up (maybe the Knicks?).
Mullin will be a great initial infusion for St. Johns. I was thinking about the similarities with Eddie when it happened:
Mullin has better name recognition by far and probably has a huge head start recruiting wise. X's and O's goes to Eddie. Bottom line you can get around X's and O's by hiring a good assistant plus Mullin doesn't seem like a dummy. I would take a Mullin over an Eddie any day of the week - recruiting inroads can take years and years to get down.
Mullin has better name recognition by far and probably has a huge head start recruiting wise. X's and O's goes to Eddie. Bottom line you can get around X's and O's by hiring a good assistant plus Mullin doesn't seem like a dummy. I would take a Mullin over an Eddie any day of the week - recruiting inroads can take years and years to get down.
Saint puppy, what if we got a different assistant? I would take EJ.
Mullin has very litle coaching experience.
I'd still take sju problems any day of the year. 20 win season?I feel like some of us have forgotten how to count to 20 because of rutgers basketball.12 and your good!
Mullin has very litle coaching experience.
I'd still take sju problems any day of the year. 20 win season?I feel like some of us have forgotten how to count to 20 because of rutgers basketball.12 and your good!
Mullin seems to be smarter than Jordan. An NBA Legend. Dream Teamer. Very successful with the Warriors in the front office.
Everything he's touched in basketball has turned to gold. Not the case with EJ. Mullin is a bet I would make.
Everything he's touched in basketball has turned to gold. Not the case with EJ. Mullin is a bet I would make.
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Look like I have said a million times--I'm not an EJ shill. I'm not optimistic he's the guy to turn it around. I am not happy with the recruiting results or what we've seen on the court thus far, although I am willing to give him his FAIR chance (and ONE YEAR is not a fair chance).
But the revisionist history here is crazy. If we hired someone with absolutely ZERO head coach experience we would be going nuts. Mullin has NEVER coached. never. not one bit. And for those that haven't the gist of it yet, Mullin could give you a blank piece of paper with nothing on it as his coaching resume' and it would be accurate.
as a Nets fan, I can tell that both EJ and Lawrence Frank were widely considered to be the "brains" of the Nets when they were the best in the eastern conference. Byron Scott was given no credit. EJ took the Wizards to the playoffs 4 straight years did he not? That's not impressive on a coaching resume'? sure the Sixers record wasn't good but that was GM problems, they had no talent and are still recovering.
Now with our luck Mullin will turn out to be the next John Wooden.
But for the luvva of the gods can we please stop s***ing all over our coach CONSTANTLY??? Some of you guys make it sound like we hired some hobo off the street. it isn't the case, so give it a rest
This post was edited on 4/1 11:25 AM by PatrickRU92
One thing I will say is I think Mullin will probably given a lot of money to fill out his staff. A luxury eddie jordan did not have and is an integral part of winning at this level in my opinion.
Mullin needs a deep experienced staff. Potential assistant/associate head coach for him: the rehabilitated Mike Rice.
Discuss.
Discuss.
Based on your criteria I bet you thought Steve Kerr was a terrible hire for the Golden State Warriors. As was Mark Jackson. Jason Kidd was a terrible hire for the Nets.
None of those hires were terrible.
That's essentially the problem with this board. It's populated by a bunch of folks who think like old-school GMs (Billy King) and not like let's say Daryl Morey.
Mullin's first coaching hire shows that he clearly gets it in a way that EJ did not.
This post was edited on 4/2 12:10 AM by cyrock3
Look at the NBA though Kidd (BK) and Kerr haven't done so bad having no coaching experience. I think College is so much about recruiting and EJ is proving that he is struggling in that regard. This area is still a hotbed for talent (maybe not as much as it used to be) but I don't think EJ has anwhere near the juice that Mullin will have. Yes, a great assistant could do wonders - but where is he?
Originally posted by shields:
Clyde Drexler was a disaster at Houston.[/QUOTE]Drexler, who never earned his college degree, was a disaster trying to recruit/coach student-athletes trying to get one.
He was just 7-25 in conf play (.219) and hasn't even coached at the assistant level since UH fired him after just 2 seasons.
Clyde Drexler was a disaster at Houston.[/QUOTE]Drexler, who never earned his college degree, was a disaster trying to recruit/coach student-athletes trying to get one.
He was just 7-25 in conf play (.219) and hasn't even coached at the assistant level since UH fired him after just 2 seasons.
Mullin has 5x the stain then Jordan has. I don't like the hire for St John's but at least they are doing what needs to be done, getting mucho publicity and hiring a very good college assistant. That is the way you invest in your program!
for one Mullin has a better situation...much better....SJU is coming off of a 20 win season, they don't have to fight an awful perception problem, they truly are NYCs team, they have a much better history and are willing to spend more money on basketball and of course have facilities. The biggest thing though is Mullin went out and got a top notch recruiter and that's what Eddie didn't do. Getting a guy like OKoren and that other guy Tripp were headscratchers for sure and you just cant do that and hope to revive a moribund program like Rutgers. Mullin with no coaching experience may or may not work but he has advantages that Eddie doesn't have here.
