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My positives fromthe season we just finished (long)

ag67

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The basketball season was a long, painful experience. As an eternal optimist I did find some positives to appreciate.

Number one was our coach. I have the greatest respect for him as a man, and I hope he will be able to continue for many years. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 instances that showed the measure of the man.

I will remember his reaction after the Wisconsin game, how he experessed his love for his alma mater. More than that, he showed that it was not all about him.

I also remember his remarks late in the season when he mentioned that he wished he had been able to do more to make the games of his seniors better. Self-centered egotists read it as a confession of his failures as a coach, but any normal person who has mentored young people realized it as the signature of a coach whose first concern was the welfare of his players,not himself. He wanted his players to get the absolute best out of their experience here, and he realized that often a mentor is not able to find all the right answers.

Finally I remember him saying he was trying to make his practices fun for his players this year. Realizing the humiliation they were being subjected to on the court, he wanted to do everything possible to improve their experience - again thinking of his players first.

As for the players, I was proud of the effort the seniors put in. Mack fought hard against long odds, Jack was in the gym late at night practicing, and Kone gave an obvious effort on defense.

I see hope for the future with the younger players.

Lewis showed some signs of developing an offensive game. More than that he has a great attitude. He is humble and works hard. Hopefully he does not run out of time before he develops a solid offensive game..Daniels has great quickness to the basket. Unfortunately he makes too many bad decisions, and he doesn't have much of an outside shot, both of which are among the hardest issues for a player to correct.

Etou is a very strong rebounder and can play excellent defense. He seems to disappear at times,probably due to developing late.

I really like Foreman. He seems to have a special first step and great quickness. He finished horribly early in the year, seeming to panic every time he got close to the basket. He seemed to be coming out of it late in the year. I think he has the most potential of any of our players. Doorman is a big body who seems to be a step slow right now. Big men develop slowly, so I think he has a chance to be a solid contributor before he finishes. Williams seems like a hard worker who finally began to show the shooting touch he was expected to have late in the season.

I seem to remember BK saying we have a great group of guys out there, but I could be wrong. It is very tough to play through a season like this one and stay together as a team. IMO losing can build far more character than winning can, if the coach approaches it right.

I don't really have any expectations for next year. I am just hoping to see lots of growth and development from the new team.
 
I appreciate your intentions.

The positive to the season was the win at home vs. Wisconsin......it really ends there.

Jordan's loyalty to Mack and Jack, while admirable, hurt the program.

I think Year 2 made it obvious that Year 3 becomes Year 1. If there truly is a radical change of how we play and what we expect from our players I am fine with it.

Trying to draw positives from this year is VERY difficult.
 
Have to agree with Greene here. How difficult to conclude anything positive? I mean we lost to a bad St. Peters team at home by 18 points! That's with 2 4 year starting seniors in the lineup. Which makes me think that maybe next year with a whole slew of new players could have a chance to be different. If Year 3 becomes Year 1, then Jordan got 2 Mulligans. That's fair after the Rice debacle. But it starts to count for EJ next year.
 
Here are my positives from the season we just finished:
 
Ditto Greene

There needs to be a change in attitude and a sense of urgency

The Mike Rice fisasco is 2 years in the rear view mirror

The program needs to show a foundation building year toward a better year 4 and 5 under EJ

No miracles expected..but want to see the foundation for improvement laid next year
 
GFR, you and some other posters here need a vacation. If everything is negative, why bother caring enough to post?
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:
I appreciate your intentions.

The positive to the season was the win at home vs. Wisconsin......it really ends there.

Jordan's loyalty to Mack and Jack, while admirable, hurt the program.

I think Year 2 made it obvious that Year 3 becomes Year 1. If there truly is a radical change of how we play and what we expect from our players I am fine with it.

Trying to draw positives from this year is VERY difficult.
 
according to kenpom rankings....

we were 4-17 vs. top 100
we were 4-4 vs 101-200
we were 2-1 vs. 200+

we finished #219 worst P5 school by far

We had 2 4 year seniors who were our most skilled players.

We haven't won a game since January 11th.

Does anyone honestly think if we played now we'd have more than a 10% chance of beating Vandy or Clemson, or Penn State. Forget Wisconsin.
 
Always nice to see a post about what someone saw as positives after a season like RU just had.There will always be posters that want to put the negatives in and poo poo the positives ( no matter how many or few are posted)A positive thread usually turn into a negative because some posters much rather point out negitives than agree that there were some positives that happened during a dismal season
 
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:
I appreciate your intentions.

The positive to the season was the win at home vs. Wisconsin......it really ends there.

Jordan's loyalty to Mack and Jack, while admirable, hurt the program.

I think Year 2 made it obvious that Year 3 becomes Year 1. If there truly is a radical change of how we play and what we expect from our players I am fine with it.

Trying to draw positives from this year is VERY difficult.
Really agree with the statement above. This season showed to me how far we really have to go before we are even remotely competitive. Next season Eddie is officially on the clock with Lewis as the only Rice holdover.
 
Rutgers lost 15 in a row and played its best games before that so I can't really take any positives out of the season...jmho
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:
Rutgers lost 15 in a row and played its best games before that so I can't really take any positives out of the season...jmho
+1. I always admire those who can find the silver lining, but it's hard to argue with Bac and GreenRiceFIG. There's not much to like in RU's miserable season, especially given the way we regressed after two very good performances against Wisconsin at the RAC and @ MD - two of the top teams in the league - in the first third of the Big10 schedule.
 
I understand that some fans are always looking for the silver lining but in sports the only thing that matters is winning.Decades of futility are almost and after thought because this season was a utter disaster to the tune of a 2-16 league record and a season ending 15 game losing streak.By now fans have long past the frustration stage.They see a program with no leadership on and off the court and there is no plan to change the status quo.
 
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:
according to kenpom rankings....

we were 4-17 vs. top 100
we were 4-4 vs 101-200
we were 2-1 vs. 200+

we finished #219 worst P5 school by far

We had 2 4 year seniors who were our most skilled players.

We haven't won a game since January 11th.

Does anyone honestly think if we played now we'd have more than a 10% chance of beating Vandy or Clemson, or Penn State. Forget Wisconsin.
Do you really think that we would lose to 218 teams that were rated before us?
CBSsports.com has us a a 179 RPI but only 1 team has a higher RPI in the Brackets (Hampton @ 251).
Do you think that we would lose to every one of those teams that are in the NCAA tournament?
And to answer your question - I honestly think if we played Vandy, Clemson or Penn State we would have a better than
10% chance of beating them.
 
Originally posted by RU-JMM78:

I understand that some fans are always looking for the silver lining but in sports the only thing that matters is winning.Decades of futility are almost and after thought because this season was a utter disaster to the tune of a 2-16 league record and a season ending 15 game losing streak.By now fans have long past the frustration stage.They see a program with no leadership on and off the court and there is no plan to change the status quo.
Sometimes looking for the silver lining is all you got.
You can validate the negative all the time far more easily when a RU MBB fan the way the program has been for years, but the occasional silver lining can keep you going and give hope for the future.
So instead of feeling depressed about RU MBB 100% of the time and feeling all hope is lost, I look for a positive to build my hopes on.
That's the way I feel and understand theuiir are some that refuse tio get their hopes up , because those hopes are usually destroyed by mid-season. .
 
"...in sports the only thing that matters is winning."

Hard to imagine anything more fundamentally incorrect than this.
 
Thank you for the positives. I don't buy all of them as actually positive, but it was nice to read.

But we have one really, really bad basketball team, and, as Danny Hurley would have told you, YEARS of work ahead. If you go by his desire for seven years, I take that as two to get out from the wreckage and five to build your program. So indeed, Year 3 becomes Year 1.

Except all of the fans aged a lot more than two years in between.
 
Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
"...in sports the only thing that matters is winning."

Hard to imagine anything more fundamentally incorrect than this.
+1
Here at Rutgers, winning isn't the only thing that matters.....never has been.
It would be so much easier to win here if that were true.
 
I admit I don't understand why posters have to immediately hijack any positive thread to list the same negatives that have repeated time after time on nearly every thread about the team, but I am certainly not surprised.

I stand by my post however. I appreciate the efforts of our coaches and players. IMO it was a much tougher season for them than it was for any of us. Over and out.
 
Thanks for the post, ag67. Good stuff. I think what we all see the record and think it was a total crud show of a season, which it was You can some wins next year around Sanders, Williams, Etou, Foreman, and Lewis with Daniels being the first off the bench. Not that many positives in the win column, but still a team that if stays you think could win more than 10 games next season. That would be improvement.
 
Thanks for the post, ag67. Good stuff. I think what we all see the record and think it was a total crud show of a season, which it was You can see some wins next year around Sanders, Williams, Etou, Foreman, and Lewis with Daniels being the first off the bench. Not that many positives in the win column, but still a team that if stays you think could win more than 10 games next season. That would be improvement.
 
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