As a Nets fan I am ok with the trade. Only regret is giving up Allen. Don’t care about the picks. That’s fine. Lavert hurts but I would rather have Harden. Good deal.
Nets make the worst trade in the history of sports
- Thread starter Ronnie_B
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Imagine Rockets fans right now, this morning they thought getting any fair trade value for Harden was out the window after his performance last night and his press conference that followed, but instead on the same day they absolutely fleeced the Nets.
I think you can make the case that Harden will be good with the Nets, its the assets heading back that makes this a terrible deal. If I'm Sean Marks I sit back and wait, not jump on Harden, you only jump on a player when you're giving up less than the value, not more.
Houston has the option to swap 1st round picks.
Scenario A:
Nets pick #20
Houston picks #5
Houston would decline their option.
Picks stay the same.
Scenario B:
Nets collapse and pick #4
Houston is better and picks #18.
Houston exercises their swap option.
Nets now get pick #18.
Houston gets pick #4.
The reason the swaps ruined the Nets-Boston trade was the Nets got bad and ended with high picks. Those picks then got swapped to Boston.
Additional "Pick Trading" feature in the NBA:
Teams are not allowed to trade away future 1st round picks in consecutive years.
For example, the Nets couldn't have traded their 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 1st round picks.
You get around that by offering "pick swaps". Since the Nets still have a 1st round pick in 2022 and 2024 (potentially Houston's pick) the trade is allowed.
Called the "Stepian Rule" after a former Cavs owner (Ted Stepian) traded a bunch of consecutive 1st round picks in the 80s.
Why do you need a PG when their offense is going to consist of Iso's and pick and rolls with the big 3?
Losing Allen hurts. I mentioned in an earlier post that you make this trade to win a championship. To do that, you've got to go through LeBron. To do THAT, you need a rim protector. The Mets just traded theirs.
LeVert is a really good player, but Harden makes him expendable.
Allen's RFA contract his offseason will be a good indicator.
Could I see some team throwing big money (near max) at him? Maybe.
If so then he was probably gone anyway.
Just pointing out that Harden done deal to Philly was widely speculated and going around NBA circles all afternoon.
This wasn't the Nets just out of the blue trading for Harden with nobody else involved.
Out of the blue? Nets were always considered a landing spot.
Know what?
I love this trade.
Let's go.
Those picks and swaps are extremely overrated.
Everyone complains about Caris and Allen.
They were a 2016 #20 and 2017 #22 pick.
Nets traded their 2016 pick to Boston and still ended up with a guy everyone says will be missed.
What happened to the Nets after the 2013 trade? They are right back to being title contenders and have 2 of the Top 10 players in the league.
Remind me of all the titles Boston won since then?
I love this trade.
Let's go.
Those picks and swaps are extremely overrated.
Everyone complains about Caris and Allen.
They were a 2016 #20 and 2017 #22 pick.
Nets traded their 2016 pick to Boston and still ended up with a guy everyone says will be missed.
What happened to the Nets after the 2013 trade? They are right back to being title contenders and have 2 of the Top 10 players in the league.
Remind me of all the titles Boston won since then?
So what?
All the NBA experts around here (who haven't watched an NBA game in 48 years) keep saying nobody in the NBA plays defense anyway.
So now defense matters?
Guess all the "experts" here were wrong.
They actually were pretty good together the first time.
Is this a joke?
They won their division, were 2nd in the West and went to the 2012 NBA Finals their last season together before Harden got traded.
I always learn something from this board - I thought the NBA folded a few years ago. Good to see the league is still in operation.
Were they very good? Yes, but they didn't win did they? This trade value is essentially one you make if you think it puts you over the top,99% guaranteed winner. I don't think this gets them to 50%
Draft picks are over valued. I will take a proven commodity over four 19 yr old "one and done" players who are making first round money and won't be a developed contributor until their rookie contract expires.
The Nets now have three incredible scorers (if Kyrie decides to play) and the worst 4/5 rotation in the entire league, after trading Allen. DeAndre Jordan is ossifying before our eyes. This is bad roster construction.
Also, major potential chemistry issues.
Joe Harris is a good complimentary player to the three. All he has to do is stand at the 3 pt. line, catch and shoot. That being said I doubt Harden will ever pass him the ball
I had the picks backwards.
It's a pick swap for this year 2021.
So basically the first pick swap is worthless. Minimal chance at best Houston uses it.
Down to 3 picks and 3 swaps in actuality.
Sadly, I don't even remember the last time I actually watched an NBA game. Being a Knicks fan probably has a lot to do with that. Hell, even if they were watchable, none of the tv services I've had the past few years carried MSG anyway. Once the Hardens, Durants and Lebrons retire, I might not know any players in the league... unless they come from the B1G.
Yes, but there was still an extremely limited market for him, and that just means that the 76ers were being just as stupid as the Nets.
You had a team that was forced to trade him in a market that was limited. Those two factors should result in obtaining him for a big discount on his actual trade value.
Look at it this way. Since there has been a salary cap, trading for a player with a bad contract gives the acquiring team the leverage to give up less assets to obtain him than they normally would have to.
NY teams seem to not understand that factors like refusing to play for their current team or limiting the market of potential acquirers offers the same kind of leverage in a deal as a bad contract,
The Nets mortgaged their future for a bunch of big, whiney, me first crybabies. The NBA is a complete S#*show where the inmates run the asylum. You reap what you sow. I didnt think I could possibly hate the NBA any more then I had, but thank you Nets for proving me wrong.
We'll see if Harden can change his game to some degree to fit it with the other two during the important closing moments of games. I doubt the three of them play more than 15-20 minutes a game together on the floor. While their depth takes a hit, and their future becomes more uncertain, they are an immediate favorite to win the championship. Their window is this year and next since I understand all of them have opt outs after the 22 season.
He was talking up Harden up last night saying you know he's going to play hard every night, I was like no we don't you Jackass
Don't know nothing about it.
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I guess the new gameplan for Nets is to just keep two defenders under the opponents basket at all times. lol
Very cool. I remember as a little kid reading the Americans box scores in the paper. Can‘t remember the names anymore though. Followed the Dr. J years very closely but gave up on the NBA quite some time ago.
This is tricky. None of us know Kyrie's situation. There may be some sort of clinical infirmity, not necessarily physical, but real enough that the Nets would still be liable for his contract.
Since you hate the NBA so much, why do you even care about its player transactions?
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