Seems the S NJ parochial schools do not want to play the N NJ parochial schools. Full split probably coming in Dec. football only so far.
www.northjersey.com/sports/hig...hools-1.1449228
www.northjersey.com/sports/hig...hools-1.1449228
NJ FB Super Conference formed, problems w S NJ parochials
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Non-publics should be treated as its own divison. They are all all-star teams with big budgets vs publics which are just made up of kids that happen to go to that school.
In college football yhis would be like Power 5 schools playing Divison 3 schools.
It doesn't make sense.
In college football yhis would be like Power 5 schools playing Divison 3 schools.
It doesn't make sense.
I completely agree. The idea of schools like Don Bosco or Bergen Catholic or Paterson Catholic playing public schools which are.... theoretically at least... restricted to whatever talent resides in their district is just plain wrong.
From the article...
"Why should Seton Hall Prep and Bosco and Delbarton have to play a bear of a schedule, and St. John Vianney and St. Augustine and those guys down south be exempt from doing that?"
Because that's geography folks. Stupid for HIGH SCHOOL football to have to travel any more than an hour for a regular season away game. It's HIGH SCHOOL.
Playoffs? Sure, I get that. But no crazy travel for a regular game. But it seems it's just me.
"Why should Seton Hall Prep and Bosco and Delbarton have to play a bear of a schedule, and St. John Vianney and St. Augustine and those guys down south be exempt from doing that?"
Because that's geography folks. Stupid for HIGH SCHOOL football to have to travel any more than an hour for a regular season away game. It's HIGH SCHOOL.
Playoffs? Sure, I get that. But no crazy travel for a regular game. But it seems it's just me.
I didn't realize Queen of Peace, Marist, Gloucester Catholic, and other small Catholic schools have big budgets. Bosco vs St. Mary's or Bergen Catholic vs St Anthony would really be Bama vs Kean.
With all of the angst vs the 6 or 7 Catholic Schools who makes the schools with 20-30 players in their whole programs look bad, maybe some of that should be directed to all the Charter Schools and Magnet schools as well. Why some of the Camden kids go to Audubon or Sterling HSs or Hudson County student goin to Hoboken. How about Camden County students going to Haddonfield HS if they can afford their tuition ("alledgedly")? How about all of those County Tech schools getting kids from the whole county? Isn't that the same thing?
I understand that St Augustine is pretty far south but not St John Vianney. If you run directions from SJV to Seton Hall Prep, Delbarton, DePaul, Bergen Catholic and Paramus Catholic. all are less than an hour. Don Bosco clocked in at 1 hour 3 minutes. Your talking a couple of such trips per year. Play the games on Saturday and avoid Friday traffic. Its better than them beating up on smaller publics.
On paper, yes.
In reality not so much.
And IMO those those trips should just be for playoff games. It's HIGH SCHOOL sports, not college. Still don't see the need for any significant travel for any sport (other than maybe a tournament) during the regular season for HIGH SCHOOL sports. But again, this is just me.
So Paramus Catholic and Don Bosco, et al. can play teams in Ohio and all over the US...but they can't bus it down to South Jersey?
Where did it say that? The article said that South Jersey parochials wanted no part of playing the North Jersey parochials & scheduled other teams.
Btw, this proposed realignment or split doesn't address the public choice schools which draw kids from other school districts now just like the parochials. Bound Brook wrestling comes to mind as almost half of their starters are from other sending districts. Those public choice schools might as well be thrown in with the parochials...
...much more difficult to get an athlete in to a 'public magnet' than a parochial IMO (more checks and balances). Even the Tech schools are still bound to a county area. Outside of PCT's recent rise, how many Techs have won sectional titles over the past 15 years?
Joe P.
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I think you're confused as its fairly easy for an athlete or anyone to get into a choice school & choice schools have no such geographic limitations & can & do pull kids from any sending district in NJ. A choice school or the NJ Commissioner of Education may set limits on the % of out of district kids overall & from specific sending districts. Bound Brook has won a lot of wrestling with other districts' kids.
Yeah, I didn't say that.
If they want to go south, be my guest. But I don't think they should have to travel that far for a game and neither should those down south feel compelled to go north.
* I think that's just as dumb. But whatever.
So you are ok with St Augustine winning their last 2 games by "by a combined 104-0. St. John Vianney is in the Shore Conference and has outscored its opponents, 343-80." but not ok with those same schools travelling an hour or so to play appropriate competition? Makes sense.
In a perfect world high school sports should be local. But some of the privates have changed the approach to sports and if the cost of that is extra travel time, then that's the price they have to pay for fielding such superior teams.
I also do not agree with the poster who thinks the open enrollment publics should be treated the same as the privates. Those schools are open enrollment for reasons other than sports. Not the same situation as the privates.
The whole argument is dumb. Public schools are a bunch of pansies and don't want to lose. There is no reason why big public schools like Wayne Hills, Montclair, Clifton etc can't play one game a year against these schools. If I was in HS I'd love the chance to say I played against all these future college stars. For the life of me, I don't get why it's ok for a big group 4 school to beat a group 1 school by 30 but Wayne Hills can't play St Joe's.
Then continue to play your FL and OH teams on ESPN.
That's the choice THEY made. It shouldn't affect the rest of the world because of a few actors.
I believe public schools would be more amenable to playing parochial and private schools if they could overlook out-of-district tuition charges for non-local kids who want to attend the public school the way that private and parochial schools give scholarships (athletes not paying for school what the typical attendee pays and private transportation help) to kids who can keep their programs in the limelight.
I was thinking more the Vo-Techs than the 'choice' schools, although as you said, even those schools have # limits that a parochial doesn't have.
...Vk, again, how many G4-5 schools play G1's? I think the system was fine until the early 2000's when the parochials decided to basically turn HS ball into the jr college circuit.
Joe P.
Since the some of the S NJ Parochials are not amenable to playing the N NJ Parochials, there will be a vote on Dec 7, forcing a split fo the Parochials into their own separate conference just to fill out schedules. The Public ADs are confident there are more than enough votes to make this happen. What I think happens then, is some of the Catholic schools will sue. It will be interesting to see the end result.
I think your missing the point. The schools that are being asked to travel are the privates - some heading north and some heading south. According to the article, some of the South Jersey privates are balking at the travel. But they are playing the game just like the Bergen County privates are - recruiting and dominating the competition. The publics that they are trouncing are not the schools being asked to travel so the rest of the world is not being affected. I guess SJV and AT A. are afraid to lose to the North Jersey privates.
I'm a Seton Hall Prep guy. SHP has never wanted to have to stop playing local public schools. I guess the school is willing to go along with this private football conference in order to keep the rest of the sports in the Super Essex Conference.
Not missing the point.
Who cares that they don't want to travel north for a REGULAR season game. And when somebody south of the Driscoll Bridge is on TV or goes on the road on a regular basis get back to me.
All private schools recruit. Whether it's on the field or the classroom. If they don't, they go out of business.
* And as RBC guy we don't have that problem but only play when it matters in the States and win. ;)
I played for a private school, non-NJ, and the most of the away (some against Jersey schools) games were around 2 hours travel, though one was 6. A two hour trip is really no big deal.
Yes they do and did you notice they moved up in conference now wrestling Phillipsburg,Hunterdon C., N. Hunterdon, Delaware V, Voorhees. Then outside of conference wrestle St. Peters, Delran, Don Bosco, Bergen Catholic, Delbarton. They know what their doing and schedule the best out of conference they can possible. That's why kids want to go there they wrestle the best. It's not like their beating up on schools their size. They know their advantage and chose to wrestle schools 4 times the size of them or schools in similar situations. Their a small Group 1 maybe 90 kids a class going against Group 4 schools and the best the state has to offer. Don't see a problem here.
St Aug to Bosco is easily a 3 hour bus ride. Instead of forcing these teams into 6 hour round trips for a 2 hour game, maybe start enforcing the recruiting regulations so that St Aug stops emptying out the talent from the other Cape Atlantic schools.
Bound Brook is taking elite wrestlers from around the state & out of far superior educational districts to field an elite wrestling team just like the parochials. There was an article in February 2014 that Bound Brook's wrestling team had 11 starters from outside of Bound Brook that season. It's basically a parochial or all star team & should be treated as such if we're so concerned with competitive balance or unfair advantages of power teams that take kids from other districts.
Yes they do what? Bound Brook's wrestling is like a parochial & should he treated as such if the concern is competitive balance or unfair advantages of power teams that take kids from other districts.
I agree that there shouldn't be a change but if there is then you have to address the choice schools like Bound Brook too. If there aren't enough of them to lump them all together, then handle them separately in the name of competitive balance to give everyone a trophy & add Bound Brook & the few others to the parochial league.
They're cherry-picking. When my girls were at SJV ('05 - '14) I spent the better part of those 8 years watching SJV get their asses handed to them more often than not.
That fine.
But there are enough high schools in NJ and near each other where this kind of thing doesn't have to happen unless you want it to happen. Both parties have to be on the same page and shouldn't be "shamed" into it or because it works for one more than the other.
Again, playoffs fine. Regular season game in any sport for much more than an hour (outside of maybe hockey or a tournament/invitational) to travel to? I just don't see the need. Why?
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Yep, one that nobody needs an EZPass account to play for either.
Yes they do take kids out of district. But you act like there going into North Jersey and taking state place winners and placing them on there team. You couldn't be more wrong. They run a year round program sponsored outside of the school. Many of these kids chose to go there freshman year and are then trained by them. To say they are just picking an all star team is in fact incorrect. Just because kids who are strictly dedicated at wrestling want to go to a school which puts great emphasis on it does not mean they don't work for it. Yes it's no different than what the parochial schools do. But they just don't pick and chose all these all stars from other teams like you described. They develop and harness that talent where at other schools wrestling is not emphasized and their coach is probably their gym teacher. I see nothing wrong with what they are doing especially when you look at their scheduling. They're not playing the Manville's and Middlesex's of high school rather the whose who of the top twenty in the state. They now play in a conference made up of the largest schools in their area and some of the largest schools in the state. How's that an unfair advantage.
Until November 14th when the Caseys' travel to Sparta to play Pope John XXIII.
RBC, a fine school (though no SHP LOL!) shut out the first 4 public school opponents before they lost by 3 to cross town rival Red Bank. Like almost all of the Parochials they probably see football success as a driver for enrollment. Nothing wrong with upgrading the schedule by eliminating a couple overmatched Publics with a couple of privates, even if it means some additional travel.
* You sound like all my BC friends. LOL
+ As I said earlier we all do that. On and off the field. You have to.
I meant to get to the school with regard to the EZPass. @ruhudsonfan knows what I meant. :)
