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How would you compare Gary Nova and Mike Teel during their time "on the banks" as quarterback. Stats are similar. Who was better? Who performed better in big games? etc. What sets one a part from the other. Just looking to get further ideas for a piece.


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mike-teel-1.html


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/gary-nova-1.html
 
Gary Nova was asked to do a lot more than Teel.

Teel had Rice for 3 years and then his senior year when Rice wasnt there the team started the season 1-5.

I just find it really hard to even compare the two since the two teams were so different.
 
Originally posted by jay_hq:
Gary Nova was asked to do a lot more than Teel.

Teel had Rice for 3 years and then his senior year when Rice wasnt there the team started the season 1-5.

I just find it really hard to even compare the two since the two teams were so different.
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Jay pretty much nailed it. And after that team started 1-5 Teel was basically just throwing bombs and letting Britt, Underwood, and Brown run underneath them. I still remember that Pitt game. It was like watching the Rams' greatest show on turf offense.
 
Wow they were both good. I'd have to give Gary the edge. Savage could have been the greatest of all time but GS hired an OC that set the program back 3 years.

This post was edited on 4/9 11:56 PM by Bamm Bamm Rubble
 
Both had great High School careers at Don Bosco Prep.

Both had strong arms, threw a lot of TDs and a lot of picks early in their careers.

Teel's teams w Rice, Leonard, Anthony Davis, and 3 or 4 OL who made the NFL were better.

Nova's senior year at DBP was maybe the best HS team I've seen live, w Nova, Caroo, Darius Hamilton, Jabrill Peppers, AQM, & Steele DeVito (LB ,Boston College), Yuri Wright, Elijah Shumate,Paul Canevari,Razohn Gross, Kevin Wilkins, . A good kicker too, forgot the name, maybe Murray.

This post was edited on 4/7 8:32 PM by Abro1975
 
Nova won games by throwing TDs since we had such terrible defenses. Teel was asked to control the ball and didn't win many games by throwing TDs.
 
despite all the abuse he took, hands down its Nova, he actually won games some of them quite important. Teel was just a game manager and in that 1-5 start to the season did poorly until he started throwing bombs as one poster above said
 
If Nova had a cast on par with Britt, Underwood, Tim Brown, Ray Rice, Brian Leonard, and any of the 06-08 OL around him...we would have won the BE in 2012 and beaten TTFP and maybe even Nebraska this year. That was just a very, very special group of talent.

At the end of the day, they both rallied in the end and that is how they will be remembered. Both took plenty of deserved lumps and both, maybe moreso Nova with social media being more present and the B1G spotlight, took a lot of over the top nonsense from supposed grown men.
 
Similar...I give it to Teel since he helped engineer the greatest single moment.
 
Teel. He threw the best deep ball I've seen. He would hit Britt, Underwood and the rest in stride 40 yards down the field. Nova's best was close to Teel's. Nova's worst was much worse.
 
Originally posted by graystork:
Teel. He threw the best deep ball I've seen. He would hit Britt, Underwood and the rest in stride 40 yards down the field. Nova's best was close to Teel's. Nova's worst was much worse.
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Nova threw a deep ball just as well IMO. I think Nova was a better athlete and was a better passer for more games, but your last point is dead on. Nova's bad games were so much worse than anything that Teel had. That probably tips the scale more toward Teel over Nova.

This post was edited on 4/8 12:29 AM by hiwater
 
Teel.
Originally posted by Bamm Bamm Rubble:
Wow they were both good. I'd have to give Gary the edge. Savage could have been the greatest of all time but GS hired an OC that turned set the program back 3 years.
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Agree about KC and his sunshine band: Savage made his own issues.
 
Thanks for the insight guys. I was in middle school/early high school when Teel was at RU so and I didn't follow RU football left and right as closely as I do now since junior year to now a senior at RU.
 
Another edge I give to Teel was a better feel for the pocket and would stand in there, get a good release and then get crushed.
BTW- in 2008, it didn't turn around because Teel just started throwing bombs and the WR's just ran under them and caught them. Sometimes you guys talk the craziest stuff. He hit a couple of long bombs per game but also was throwing 3yd, 6 yd, 12yd TD's as well. The bombs did catch our eyes because it seemed we just never missed but he became a wonderful passer that year. He also would have had a much better start if our WR's had decided to take their heads out of their asses at the beginning of that season.

I do like Nova though but as someone else stated, Nova's best was almost as good as Teel's best but his worst was so much worse then Teel's.
 
Teel had more around him on offense than Nova. I think Nova has more physical talent, a better overall arm and more mobile. It took both time to grow into the role. As for Savage...yeah there were issues with the offense, but he got outplayed by the backup and then for various reasons left. At that point in his life...if he had the mental toughness of Dodd..he would have probably developed into a pretty good QB at RU. It didn't work out that way.
 
What could have been: watch Gary Nova's mechanics this year vs. last year. Ralph F. with Nova for two or three years would have dramatically changed his results, on the other hand RF with Teel would have made him a different QB as well. Guess we will never know, it will be interesting to see what happens to Gary if he gets an NFL shot, in the right situation he could be very successful if he can continue on the same trajectory as he was on ith Ralph.
 
For all his faults and inconsistency, Nova won us a few games in the 4th quarter with game-winning TD passes. In Teel's entire career, and despite having some of the best supporting casts (if not THE best) RU has ever given a QB, Teel NEVER once won a game for us on a fourth quarter TD pass though he had numerous occasions to do so. In fact, often in that situation he'd throw an INT soon after getting the ball with the game on the line. The one asterisk here is WVU 2006 where had the ball been caught by Townsend that could have been the winning TD. True, Teel had two of the sickest games ever by an RU QB in his last season and several other very nice games, but he just couldn't bring us back late in the game with an aerial TD when that was needed.



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Teel was terrible, needing a score to win the game when he was here you just knew how things were going to turn out........LOSS
 
Hard to compare college careers since Teel had a better supporting cast and less coach upheaval. Right now I would give the nod to Teel since he made the Seattle roster. Have to wait and see what happens to Nova to see if he makes it in the pros.
 
Originally posted by miket007:

Teel was terrible, needing a score to win the game when he was here you just knew how things were going to turn out........LOSS
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That's your take? Really?
 
Originally posted by rutgersdave:
Nova won games by throwing TDs since we had such terrible defenses. Teel was asked to control the ball and didn't win many games by throwing TDs.
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How would you rank our 2011 and 2012 defenses? Especially the 2012 one. If you call that D terrible, I would love to see your definition of mediocre.
 
A "good quarterback," however you define that does have to do with maturity and poise along with simply throwing mechanics. I believe that Teel had, throughout his career, a very good supporting cast. He had good linemen, good receivers, good running back corps, etc. That helped him a TON to mature and not let the smallest things bother him in a game. By his senior year (without Rice, as some have mentioned above) he was able to lead the team and win games even though the running back position was just a shell of what it was a year earlier.

Now, compare that to Nova. It took A LONG TIME for Nova to grow up. Granted, that's also because he had a ton of instability and uncertainty following him around throughout his career -- pretty much, right up until senior year. But, that's when he finally did that growing up he needed to do. However, I think that he just didn't get to where he needed to be maybe a year or two earlier. I think it stifled Gary's progress. If he does get a chance, in the CFL/NFL/etc., he'll need more of that.
 
Can't, Teel played with the best teams we ever put on the field. Savage, Nova, Dodd, had to fight
for their lives on their teams.
 
Comparing Senior years, Nova played against much stiffer competition. Had he not forced as many balls against TTFP I'm not sure we are discussing this. I also agree that had Fridge been here for at least three of his years that Nova would be, by far, the best we've ever had.
 
Both players had very good Senior seasons...Yeah, if Nova didn't have PSU, his season would have been crazy good but then again, if Tell had his 2 top WR's worrying about the games rather then the draft in the first 6 games, he would have had one hell of a season too.

Keep in mind that when we talk competition, back in the 2005-2009 days, the BE was a very tough conference. Not as tough as we had this past year but way better then it ever was in 2010-13

Maybe Teel never had the last second TD to win a game but he did have some games where he was the leader down the end of games. 06 L'Vill took a very good half, and he certainly could not be blamed for the WVU game later that season either. The 2nd half of 08, he was so good, he just never had to worry about it.
 
Deep ball - Teel
Intermediate - Nova
Short - Nova

Escapability - Nova

Running - Neither

Game management - Teel

Player I want down 6 with 2 minutes to go - Nova

There were times I hated that both of these guys were on the field. But, in the end, they became two of my all time favorites. Both showed a lot of mental toughness and won big games.
 
I say Teel over Nova and Hart.

I just cant get past the interceptions and big game let downs with Nova. When Nova was good he was very good but games like Louisville 2013, Va-Tech (a game that set QB play back 100 years) and Penn State with 5 int's are just too much to overcome.

While Teel had the slow start in 2008, the last half of the season he was one of the best QB's in the country.
 
Originally posted by WhichReligionIsRight:
Deep ball - Teel
Intermediate - Nova
Short - Nova

Escapability - Nova

Running - Neither

Game management - Teel

Player I want down 6 with 2 minutes to go - Nova

There were times I hated that both of these guys were on the field. But, in the end, they became two of my all time favorites. Both showed a lot of mental toughness and won big games.
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Ability to throw an Illegal Forward Pass - Nova

Most likely to be flagged for Intentional Grounding - Nova
 
Gary Nova was by the far the more physically talented quarterback. When in rhythm, Nova could make all the throws and enough athleticism to escape the pocket and make things happen.

Mike Teel made far fewer bad decisions on the field - most of his mistakes were of the physical variety, rather than some of the mindblowing mental lapses Nova would have. But Teel was significantly more limited as a passer and really was helped out by a strong running game in 2006-07 and a terrific receiver play the second half of 2008.

Here's the question - if Gary Nova had been the QB of the 2006 team, would we have beaten Louisville and West Virginia? Perhaps Nova, kept in rhythm by a stout offensive line, would've been able to make the plays necessary to get us over the top. Or he might have crumbled under the pressure.

If Mike Teel had been the QB of the 2012 team, would we have beaten Louisville or Pittsburgh and gone to the BCS? Maybe Teel would have been able to manage those games and nurse the necessary win.

It's an interesting argument. I think if you're asking me which QB I'd want to win me a big game, I'd take Teel. If you're asking which QB I'd want over the course of an ordinary season, maybe it's Nova because his ceiling was higher, but it's close.
 
Was '08 the year in which he had an early season thumb injury?
Originally posted by BigLou:
I say Teel over Nova and Hart.

I just cant get past the interceptions and big game let downs with Nova. When Nova was good he was very good but games like Louisville 2013, Va-Tech (a game that set QB play back 100 years) and Penn State with 5 int's are just too much to overcome.

While Teel had the slow start in 2008, the last half of the season he was one of the best QB's in the country.
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