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... they used to play in the Big East Tournament.

The Big Ten, the ACC... neither has near the level of intensity as those Big East tournaments a couple years ago. You didn't just go through 2 rounds of good opponents or even 1 for that matter.

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I think it's harder to beat both Duke and UNC down in Greensboro on back to back nights personally.

Nonetheless great effort by the Irish------down 9 and reeling with 10 minutes to play we go on a 24-2 run in 6 minutes and send 23,000 home wondering " how did that happen " ?

Probably the second biggest win in school history.

Fun team to watch when their 3's are falling------really buy in to the share the ball philosophy.

Mike Brey should get some serious consideration for COY nationally.

Sorry Mr Magoo.
 
ACC sold it's soul. A team from Indiana won the ACC tourney on a court that sported a NEW YORK Life logo.
 
Whether you like ND or not, winning that ACC tournament is a feather in Mike Brey's program cap. He certainly is comfortable in ACC territory. Love teams that share the ball and can hit open shots when presented. Villanova, Wisconsin are others that quickly come to mind.
 
North Carolina does not deserve any NCAA bid with that scandal going on.
 
Teams that can make the 3 point shot have the ability to come back from deficits quickly while at Rutgers long scoring droughts and losing are the norm.

Notre Dame remains the unique university where they have national television broadcasts for football and get the benefit of membership in the ACC for other sports.Their brand is right up their with the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys when it comes to marketing.
 
Originally posted by TDIrish1:

I think it's harder to beat both Duke and UNC down in Greensboro on back to back nights personally.

Nonetheless great effort by the Irish------down 9 and reeling with 10 minutes to play we go on a 24-2 run in 6 minutes and send 23,000 home wondering " how did that happen " ?

Probably the second biggest win in school history.

Fun team to watch when their 3's are falling------really buy in to the share the ball philosophy.

Mike Brey should get some serious consideration for COY nationally.

Sorry Mr Magoo.
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After UCLA?
 
Pretty good squad. Didn't see the whole game, but like other posters mentioned- they move the ball well. Not only do they move the ball well, but the ball moves with velocity. They can get it out from the back in no time. Also, they make that overhead pass to the weakside wing a lot. Lots of open corner shots off the break.

Should be a team to watch in the tournament.
 
All I'm saying is they didn't have to play St. Johns, then West Virginia, then Nova, then Syracuse or something like that. You need to be tougher to survive that kind of tournament then to get hot for 24 hours and beat 2 pretty talented but reliant upon young players teams like Duke and UNC.

I'll also say that Duke and UNC play like the top 2 teams in the nation when they play eachother. They play at a lower level against everyone else. The level of that rivalry and the need for those 2 teams to make the championship is almost at the detriment of the conference as a whole.
 
I was hoping that UNC would win the ACC and then have to vacate that and many other wins once the dust settles with the NCAA sanctions that follow. And, of course, if those sanctions don't follow, many of us will lose interest in the sport anyway, so it won't matter.
 
Originally posted by LC-88:
ACC sold it's soul. A team from Indiana won the ACC tourney on a court that sported a NEW YORK Life logo.
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And the Big Ten invited US and will play its tournament in Madison Square Garden in a few years. Your point?
 
Oh really-----well they beat Wisconsin and UVa on the road this year along with UNC.

That ain't bad.

In this age of one and done most of your better clubs have young players.

Duke just happens to get alot of them.
 
ND was good in the Big East, they are also good in the ACC. Other teams that left have done a little worse i'd say. WVA getting a 5 seed is something but i don't think they are as good as they were. Syracuse, Pitt, and BC are examples of teams that have or will decline as a result of their move away from Big East basketball. There's something about them not playing those regional teams anymore. ND was never in either of those regions, and to a lesser extent WVA. I think that's a testiment to ND's program actually, that they don't have the regional rivals but do well anyway. I wonder if ND was in the BIg Ten (like they really should be) how good of a program they'd really be. I suspect they'd be a top 10 program every year in basketball and football.
 
Originally posted by TDIrish1:

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Just a heads up----Nova is a 1 seed.

That would qualify them as Elite IMO.
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I think you posted in the wrong thread...I think you are talking about my post re: DePaul...and yes Nova really is the only elite school in the BE, so now a school like De Paul actually can compete for NCAA bids whereas when Cuse, UConn, Pitt, ND, Louisville, Cincy and WVU were in the league they had zero chance

the BE has a solid middle but with one true elite some of the bottom teams can climb up and make noise
 
What a game tonight between ND and Butler. Jones was a great competitor for Butler, they looked like a top 10 type of team in this tournament, just unfortunate to run into another at that level at this point in the tournament. I think the bigger calls at the end were going for Butler, so really said something for ND to play that kind of team and perhaps even overcome a little unluck to still win. This might be the type of team that could beat a Kentucky. No team can play in the paint or drive or get rebounds better then Kentucky. But if a couple streaky seniors and their young protege start hitting 3s then i think that really the only formula for winning that game and they've got those kind of guys. Auguste also seems like he might do just enough to not be totally destroyed by cauley-smith and towns.
 
As much as I would love that to happen I think UK would be the worst kind of matchup for us.

Our starters are are 6'1 and 6'3 in the backcourt-----2 6'4 guys up front and our center would be a 3 man at Kentucky.

How do we get a rebound and how do we stop them ?

As for last night our seniors Grant and Conaughton wouldn't let us lose. That block at the end of regulation was the defensive play of the day IMO.

Prayers for Mike Brey on the passing of his Mother in the AM. Never told his players and just reinforces what I've always felt about him. A good coach , a classy guy and we're lucky to have him.
 
Great game throughout. I'm always rooting against Notre dame but I find it hard not to root for grant. He is just a clutch player and def one I would want on my team.
Couldn't believe the news about brey's mom. Sad news and crazy scenario.
Nice block at end of reg. but I think butler really wasted the last play (before the double dribble).
 
Kentucky is the worst matchup for any team i think haha.

ND is good on defense, Kentucky is better. ND's not going to get away with 60 points. I see this as a game in the 80s if ND has a chance. (If they even matchup btw).

If ND tries to pretend like they can play inside the arc too much against Kentucky they lose. If they shoot more 3s then normal and catch some fire, I think they have a good shot at winning.
 
Originally posted by RUblackshirt2006:
All I'm saying is they didn't have to play St. Johns, then West Virginia, then Nova, then Syracuse or something like that. You need to be tougher to survive that kind of tournament then to get hot for 24 hours and beat 2 pretty talented but reliant upon young players teams like Duke and UNC.

I'll also say that Duke and UNC play like the top 2 teams in the nation when they play eachother. They play at a lower level against everyone else. The level of that rivalry and the need for those 2 teams to make the championship is almost at the detriment of the conference as a whole.
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There's a lot of weird rationalizations in this post.

Beating Duke and UNC back to back nights in what is basically home game territory for both UNC and Duke is as good as you will find in any Big East tournament.

The old Big East was a very tough and strong conference. No one denies that. But to put down the ACC and what ND did is very strange and lame, frankly.

The biggest reason why ND won the ACC tournament? This is probably the most athletic and talented team Brey has had at ND, including the one what went to the Sweet 16 back in 2003.
 
We have 2 guys in the backcourt who will play in the NBA--------we've never had that.

It is a more athletic team and we've been able to compensate for the lack of size with great shooting-----5 guys with more than 40 3's.

At this point from my perspective we're playing with house money. I don't expect us to beat Wichita and we certainly aren't beating Kentucky but it's been a great season.
 
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Why exactly is the Big Ten "where they (ND) should be"?

That is the last place ND wants to end up.
 
Doesn't the ACC have 4 or 5 teams in the Sweet 16?

Not sure I understand the ACC bashing in this thread. Of course they'll be good at basketball. That's what they're there for, not football.
 
I wasn't really bashing the ACC. I think they've always been a good conference. My top point was really just that the Big East tournament a few years ago was really such a great tournament and I don't think other conference tournaments are at that level. And Notre Dame has a couple seniors who played in that tournament so I just kind of had a passing thought like ND might have the experience edge not only from an age perspective but also from having possibly played in a harder conference tournament.

Also, I posted this before NC State and Louisville did well. I personally had them out early cause I didn't think they were that good. Of course, ND also didn't play either of those teams in the conference tournament. Duke and UNC i don't know if they've played anyone special yet, but they are young and still in it.

As for ND being in the Big 10. I mean, geographically perfect match. Both are very into traditions. I'd immediately think to compare them to an Ohio State or Michigan as old school powerhouses. Academically, they are very even with Michigan and Wisconsin. ND vs Michigan State just sounds right to me. ND vs Duke sounds wrong to me.
 
We are actually a closer fit university wise to a Wake Forest , BC ,GTech , Duke , Miami than any of the Big Ten schools with the exception of NW.
 
Originally posted by TDIrish1:

The winner of last years National Champonship in Football would dispute that.
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Great. I'll tell THIS year's national champion that you said hello.

Of course you always have that one exception. Florida State has a great historical (and recent) record in football. I'm talking about the conference. Clemson isn't bad either usually. VT has been pretty good overall. I'm just saying that if you put your best 8 teams up against other P5 conferences, you'll do a lot better in basketball than you would in football.
 
As long as you're going to bring up exceptions put Ohio St in that category.

The Ohio State that got beat by Clemson last year in the Orange Bowl and lost this year in Columbus to a bad VTech team.

Not much difference overall between the 2 leagues in football at all IMO-----especially at the top.
 
Just for fun, I'm going to be an instigator and do some rankings for basketball and football as of right now.

Basketball:
1. Duke
2.Wisconsin
3. Michigan St.
4. N. Dame
5. Virgina
6. N. Carolina
7. Maryland
8. Louisville
9. NC State
10. Ohio State

Football though:
1. Ohio St.
2. Michigan State
3. Florida St.
4. Wisconsin
5. Nebraska
6. Clemson
7. Louisville
8. Georgia Tech
9. Duke
10. and why not... Rutgers
 
If this is off this year RUB a few comments.

We beat Michigan St and beat Duke 2 out of 3-----probably the only time that occurs for quite awhile so I have a problem with you ranking them both ahead of us.

As to football-------you could debate MSU over FSU ad nauseum but I don't care for the Noles and I like Mich State so you'll get no argument from me on that.

GTech better than both Nebraska and Wisconsin IMO this year-----way better. Road win at Georgia and ran Miss State out of the stadium in the Orange Bowl. Nebraska and Wisconsin weren't doing that.
 
At this point, Duke is a 1 seed and has really been very dominate. Easy teams in the last 2, but hard for me to put ND a head of Duke. Michigan State I'm assuming is what you're debating. After getting healthy, with the way they've played in the Big Ten tournament, to the way they handled Virginia, I just think they are peaking. I have Michigan State meeting Duke in the Final 4 and Michigan State moving on to face Kentucky.
 
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